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Olga Cavalli
33:12
hola a todos hello all!
Javier Rúa-Jovet
35:45
Hello to all. Sorry for lateness.
David McAuley
38:28
could the link to this doc please be posted - thank you,
Steve Chan
39:07
@David, sorry, just saw this: https://docs.google.com/document/d/19eNzjIQ7qcnzV_Zk3QIeB1aisAyUvJvJuG2lkV7qjEY/edit#
David McAuley
39:26
many thanks Steve - I missed it if previously posted
Javier Rúa-Jovet
43:42
Agree with @Martin. Perhaps we need more clarification from @Christopher.
Martin Sutton (WT5 Co-lead)
46:26
That is incorrect Christopher.
Javier Rúa-Jovet
46:42
@Christopher, I think that is not a fair statement on @Martin
Martin Sutton (WT5 Co-lead)
46:49
I have remained neutral
Martin Sutton (WT5 Co-lead)
47:09
and seek valid input from the WT5 members
Alexander Schubert
49:05
".shanghai"
Alexander Schubert
49:32
Any 99 Dollar TM registration can take away ".shanghai": Class Act!
Alexander Schubert
50:10
(not a 3166-1 name, though)
Javier Rúa-Jovet
51:31
@Martin is and has been an extraordinary co-lead and partner here, and has not been pushing any special agendas. I have learned quite a lot from him, and also from my other sister and brother co-leads actually, in terms of self-restraint and neutrality, and what the role of Co-Lead means.
christopher wilkinson
52:53
@Nick - I do not insist on the Currency Codes being treated by WT5, but I do insist that the matter be codified by the PDP. Currently not so.
Javier Rúa-Jovet
01:04:01
Great points @Nick.
Justine Chew
01:04:37
Obscurity is relative. What may be obscure to someone may not be obscure to another.
David McAuley
01:04:57
Good point Justine
Dev Anand Teelucksingh
01:05:01
Indeed, Justine
Nick Wenban-Smith, Nominet
01:06:04
@justine - correct and we can't pick and choose which ones we think have merit and which ones don't; some on the C list are definitely significant
Nick Wenban-Smith, Nominet
01:06:22
hence my comment to note the comment but let it be
Justine Chew
01:06:40
Exactly. We should respect them all as geographic names.
Hempal Shrestha
01:06:58
agree
jaap
01:07:08
Apologies being late; had an emergency to take care of
Marita Moll
01:07:12
+1 @justine -- respect them all
Alexander Schubert
01:07:15
At minimum these names should need a letter of non-objection!
Dev Anand Teelucksingh
01:07:20
Absolutely, Nick and Justine
Nick Wenban-Smith, Nominet
01:07:29
@kavous sorry I shouldn't have used the word 'veto', what I meant was that there's an absolute block on these being applied for
Javier Rúa-Jovet
01:09:14
Interesting @Greg
jaap
01:09:48
Again, I want poit out that ISO 3166 is not in the business of assigning names to countries
Dev Anand Teelucksingh
01:10:38
https://www.iso.org/obp/ui/#search does seem to list the territory sub names - in other words, this is generated from the ISO list
Martin Sutton (WT5 Co-lead)
01:11:07
Good discussion - I think WT5 can accept this section as included in the preliminary recommendations
Dev Anand Teelucksingh
01:11:23
Or listed in the ISO list, I should say
Javier Rúa-Jovet
01:11:30
yep
Javier Rúa-Jovet
01:11:44
thx @Dev
Javier Rúa-Jovet
01:11:52
Thanks all for comments!!!
Greg Shatan
01:12:12
“Separable Country Names List” is probably a misnomer, then. Thanks, @Steve.
Alexander Schubert
01:13:24
I thought we reached agreement that 3-letter codes do NOT need the protection of transpositions or permutations?
Justine Chew
01:14:00
+1 Nick
Steve Chan
01:14:10
@Alexander, that is indeed captured in the Initial Report.
Alexander Schubert
01:15:04
Permutations of 3-letter codes aren't confusing!Btw: BOTH permuations of USA are already 3-letter country codes of OTHER countries!
Alexander Schubert
01:15:42
AUS and SAU (Australia, Saudi Arabia)? And WHO ON EARTH would confuse these three with each other?
Nick Wenban-Smith, Nominet
01:16:23
ah thanks Alexander, USA a bad example then!
Justine Chew
01:16:27
There is already proposed tightening of text in the 2012 AGB
Steve Chan
01:17:48
@All, I’ve brought up the relevant preliminary recommendation and I have tried to highlight the text that clarifies the alpha-3 code aspect. Not sure if the screen share captures me highlighting the text.
Justine Chew
01:18:02
@Steve, yes that's what I mean.
Nick Wenban-Smith, Nominet
01:18:14
@justine yes that wording is good and clear and hence my surprise at these comments
Justine Chew
01:18:43
Strings resulting from permutations and transpositions of alpha-3 codes listed in the ISO 3166-1 standard should be allowed.
Justine Chew
01:19:07
NOT listed
Nick Wenban-Smith, Nominet
01:19:38
@alexander it's the exact opposite
Nick Wenban-Smith, Nominet
01:19:58
the permutations should be allowed! (and they were in 2012 too)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:20:01
Phew!
Javier Rúa-Jovet
01:20:27
Thats why we are here, to all be clear!
Javier Rúa-Jovet
01:21:59
Good point @greg. Noted.
Justine Chew
01:22:21
Actually there should be added text -- "Strings resulting from permutations and transpositions of alpha-3 codes which are themselves not on the ISO 3166-1 list should be allowed"
Nick Wenban-Smith, Nominet
01:22:40
+1 justine I was just thinking that
Annebeth Lange
01:22:44
Good point, Justine
Annebeth Lange
01:22:56
Anything to make this clearer
Dev Anand Teelucksingh
01:23:04
+1 Justine
Justine Chew
01:23:12
I had proposed that text early on but am not sure why the added text was omitted.
Greg Shatan
01:24:59
@Justine, yes, I just read out the definition of permutation and suggested that it needs to be revised for clarity.
Greg Shatan
01:27:46
As defined it could include any rearrangement of letters in any string on this list. So, if there is a 16 letter country name, the number of available permutations is 20,922,789,888,000.
Jim Prendergast
01:28:59
Apologies but need to leave for the RySG call.
Justine Chew
01:30:05
@Greg, my understanding of the discussion on application of permutations is for 3-letter codes not the entire name.
christopher wilkinson
01:31:24
Languages:¿ including all IDN versions?
Nick Wenban-Smith, Nominet
01:32:17
Don't forget Klingon and Dothraki :)
Javier Rúa-Jovet
01:32:52
No word for "peace" in Klingon.
Nick Wenban-Smith, Nominet
01:33:20
Or "thank you" in dothraki ...
David McAuley
01:33:37
I also have to leave for another call, interesting discussion. Brought back memories of time I have spent both in Diego Garcia and in Sabah.
jaap
01:37:02
ccIDNs are subject to the fast trac process
Dev Anand Teelucksingh
01:37:25
Note that ISO 639 exists - The purpose of ISO 639 is to establish internationally recognised codes (either 2, 3, or 4 letters long) for the representation of languages or language families. https://www.iso.org/iso-639-language-codes.html
Dev Anand Teelucksingh
01:38:40
The ISO 639 code list is at http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_list.php
Justine Chew
01:40:25
@Dev, in respect of translation, we are no longer talking about codes but actual names.
Dev Anand Teelucksingh
01:41:17
@Justine - the list is be a "fixed" list of languages if the UN 6 languages is not acceptable - its not about the code itself
Javier Rúa-Jovet
01:41:26
My felt excuse to Co-Leads and WT5 members, but have to run out of meeting.
Justine Chew
01:44:15
@Martin, curative protections definitely.
Katrin Ohlmer
01:48:50
If only the differing comments are presented, the diversity of comments is not properly represented.
Katrin Ohlmer
01:49:21
OK, will check.
christopher wilkinson
01:49:22
Well, since there has been no discussion to date, I maintain my previous comment. CW
Katrin Ohlmer
01:50:16
One proposal is missing here: Introduce a provision "independent from intended use"
Steve Chan
01:50:41
@Katrin, I’ve highlighted that comment
Steve Chan
01:51:37
@Katrin, I stopped sharing obviously, but the comment was captured as: dotBERLIN GmbH & Co. KG, Hamburg Top-Level-Domain GmbH, geoTLD.group: New Idea - Add the following text in bold, "Applications for these strings must be accompanied by documentation of support or non-objection from the relevant governments or public authorities, independent from the intended use:"
Katrin Ohlmer
01:52:39
@Steve: I'm referring to the last paragraph. I'll follow-up with you afterwards.
Justine Chew
01:52:46
We need more discussion on non-AGB terms.
Javier Rúa-Jovet
01:54:55
Back in at car for end of call
Javier Rúa-Jovet
01:56:29
noted @christopher on currency codes
Nick Wenban-Smith, Nominet
01:56:53
The difficulty I have with currency codes is that they don't denote a place as such, so I don't see how they can be geo terms. Out of interest has anyone checked whether any were applied for terms in the 2012 round?
Martin Sutton (WT5 Co-lead)
01:57:40
@Christopher - it would be helpful to clearly articulate what the “serious risks” are. I’m not sure anyone has explained in detail what risks you are trying to protect. That may help the PDP WG to consider your broad request.
Nick Wenban-Smith, Nominet
01:58:36
We've been round the houses on non AGB terms, I do agree this should (with the benefit of hindsight) have been a bigger focus and priority of WT5 and we should give it more time. (But again no easy solutions, or we wouldn't be here!)
Greg Shatan
01:59:04
@Nick, .TOP = the Tonga Pa’anga.
christopher wilkinson
01:59:24
@Olga: agree.
Nick Wenban-Smith, Nominet
02:00:02
Thanks Greg, good example. I don't recall any public policy difficulties with that
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:01:05
Thanks everyone!
Justine Chew
02:01:11
Thanks all.
Ejikeme Egbuogu
02:01:12
bye all
Katrin Ohlmer
02:01:15
Thanks Annebeth!
Javier Rúa-Jovet
02:01:16
bye!!!
christopher wilkinson
02:01:16
@Jaap - Not the ISO4217 committee, rather the central bannks
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:01:17
Bye for mow
Nick Wenban-Smith, Nominet
02:01:18
thansk and bye
Dev Anand Teelucksingh
02:01:18
take care all
avri doria
02:01:20
bye, thanks
Javier Rúa-Jovet
02:01:20
thxx