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julie.hedlund
33:33
Thanks for letting us know Kristine
Maxim Alzoba
36:12
Congrats
David McAuley (Verisign)
36:15
Very nice Kathy,
Ariel Liang
36:33
Google Doc for Claims: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jIu8SSGBh297PFAHPy_F59iqO7RD4c2MCNwg5ZDLwRs/edit#heading=h.w6976lqaaitd
Kathy Kleiman
36:41
Tx -- this is a great law school. And very happy to be back home in DC!
Kathy Kleiman
36:51
Tx Phil!
Jay Chapman
37:12
Congrats, Kathy
Martin
40:04
Hi all, sorry for being late
Kathy Kleiman
40:44
:-)
Ariel Liang
40:58
Again the link to the Google Doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jIu8SSGBh297PFAHPy_F59iqO7RD4c2MCNwg5ZDLwRs/edit#heading=h.w6976lqaaitd
David McAuley (Verisign)
41:05
I like the guidance that notice must be comprehensible to a layperson, seems like a victory for common sense
julie.hedlund
41:42
There are no hands up
Marie Pattullo
41:59
Agree - comprehensibility is good. But care over "leading" language - keep it factual.
julie.hedlund
43:31
No hands up
Kathy Kleiman
47:25
page down please
Martin Silva Valent
47:55
Missing Adobe Connect moment ? (?)
Ariel Liang
47:59
There is no proposed recommendation
Kathy Kleiman
48:27
Proposed Answer: The Sub Team had diverging opinions on whether the exact match requirement is serving the intended purposes of the Trademark Claims RPM.
John McElwaine
49:02
May be send a link to the Google Doc to Phil?
Ariel Liang
49:39
RE sharing the screen
Griffin Barnett
49:57
this is painful....
Kathy Kleiman
50:05
Love Zoom :-)
David McAuley (Verisign)
51:07
Zoom fixes - let participants scroll independently and let staff raise hands - let's hope
Maxim Alzoba
51:33
As I remember from the F2F with Amadeu - there were issues even for
Maxim Alzoba
52:02
Registries with support of IDN with umlauts and accents
Maxim Alzoba
52:14
due to TMCH implementation
julie.hedlund
53:03
@Michael: Currently for Q4 there are no questions for community input.
Julie Bisland
54:24
Apologies for the interruption: someone joined as JBB, is the Jim Bikoff? (Needed for attendance taking)
Kristine Dorrain (Amazon Registry)
56:23
curent is right.
Kristine Dorrain (Amazon Registry)
56:33
We're saying a balance currently exists.
JBB
58:43
JBB is Brian Beckham
julie.hedlund
59:09
There are no hands up Phil
Julie Bisland
59:10
Thank you, Brian!
David McAuley (Verisign)
01:02:00
Agree with Rebecca on this
Maxim Alzoba
01:03:33
if there are concerns in the community, we will be able to see it during the public comments
julie.hedlund
01:04:32
@Rebecca and @Michael these points are noted
julie.hedlund
01:04:39
Thank you
David McAuley (Verisign)
01:05:15
community will see our answers and recs and they can comment. If we ask them questions I agree with Rebecca, let's be quite specific
julie.hedlund
01:07:27
Good point David and as a reminder people can comment on anything in the Initial Report whether or not the WG has asked for community input.
Kathy Kleiman
01:08:01
no
Kathy Kleiman
01:09:44
Tx Phil!
Maxim Alzoba
01:09:47
happy
Kathy Kleiman
01:09:52
Tx to TM Subteam!
Kathy Kleiman
01:09:59
Lots of hard work and analysis.
Kathy Kleiman
01:11:03
Links to the Proposals work in the Google Doc
David McAuley (Verisign)
01:11:17
Nice work by Claims sub team, said as one who was not a member
Maxim Alzoba
01:11:38
+1
Ariel Liang
01:11:53
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WRKL_3JfzWtRIBmutxthyaEtO6yjrn9XtgImWaB0eZk/edit#heading=h.x1jh71ke5z3y
David McAuley (Verisign)
01:12:13
Thanks Phil
Kathy Kleiman
01:13:01
Q1a
David McAuley (Verisign)
01:15:36
I believe that is correct Brian,
Griffin Barnett
01:15:38
The TM+50 service is only for CLaims and not Sunrise
Kathy Kleiman
01:15:43
I think so
Maxim Alzoba
01:15:53
before the UDRP or the Court hearing even panelist / judge does not know the outcome
Kathy Kleiman
01:18:45
that's fair
julie.hedlund
01:18:53
@John: Define it in the footnote?
John McElwaine
01:19:07
Yes. Footnote would be good.
Maxim Alzoba
01:19:08
URL as a text could be nice (at least in footer)
David McAuley (Verisign)
01:19:13
suggest if we do that that we pull the definition from the proper place and not reword what picket fence is
Paul Tattersfield
01:19:16
footnote would be helpful
David McAuley (Verisign)
01:19:27
the idea a good one
John McElwaine
01:19:29
My recollection is that the document explains it pretty well
julie.hedlund
01:19:35
Note: in a footnote, cited not summarized, with URL in text.
Marie Pattullo
01:19:41
Agree. Clarity is always good!
Kathy Kleiman
01:19:46
We also reference picket fence in Qb, so good to define
David McAuley (Verisign)
01:20:07
we stumbled ove does as well Brian - poorly worded question
Maxim Alzoba
01:21:26
subgroup spent quite a lot of time on wordsmithing this answer
Julie Hedlund
01:22:37
@Michael K and @Kathy — we see your hands and will call on you once Brian has read the recommendation.
Maxim Alzoba
01:22:42
Note, for answer 2(b) reference to the footer for picket fence might be needed /Note
Paul Tattersfield
01:22:43
excellent
Kathy Kleiman
01:23:22
click on participants...
Julie Hedlund
01:24:08
@Kathy: I think the definition is at the link. From ICANN.
Julie Hedlund
01:24:22
“picket fence” is itself a link
Maxim Alzoba
01:24:27
from historical perspective: picket fence first was an Idea and later -> implementation in current RA, RAA (later in RAA 2013)
Griffin Barnett
01:26:29
AGree with Susan on this point... I think it is actually accurate to say The Sub Team... here as opposed to some Sub Team members
Maxim Alzoba
01:27:25
the wording had no objections at least
Maxim Alzoba
01:27:31
as I remember
Maxim Alzoba
01:28:13
I think the middle tab was almost final one
Julie Hedlund
01:28:15
@Michael K: This language was agreed to before Marrakesh.
Maxim Alzoba
01:29:14
during the F2F in Marrakech we agreed on the language (rare thing it was)
Maxim Alzoba
01:30:02
Pricing in Sunrise - Registries are the first Tier , Registrars - 2nd Tier
Julie Hedlund
01:30:09
@Brian: This question specifically speaks to registry practices.
Maxim Alzoba
01:30:40
and Registrants might be Tier 3, or more (Resellers involved)
Julie Hedlund
01:30:43
@Brian: Understood
Steve Levy
01:36:24
I’ve got to jump to audio only.
David McAuley (Verisign)
01:36:48
I do not currently recall the discussion
Maxim Alzoba
01:36:55
It was discussed in great details (including commercial secrets, danger to security and stability, violation of civil laws in some jurisdictions e.t.c.)
David McAuley (Verisign)
01:37:23
i do recall the points Maxim mentions as being discussed
Julie Hedlund
01:37:27
@Brian: The details will be included in the summary table to reflect the deliberations
Julie Hedlund
01:37:35
That will be available as a reference
Maxim Alzoba
01:37:37
and it was in writing more than twice
Kathy Kleiman
01:37:38
local curse words ... not really publishable.
David McAuley (Verisign)
01:37:39
especially possibly violation of certain laws
Julie Hedlund
01:38:14
As with all of these questions we are only including the answers, preliminary recs, and questions for input in this document, but the details are available for reference.
Maxim Alzoba
01:38:35
@Kathy, it is a violation of law, punishable in our jurisdiction, and enforceable (will have to stop doing so)
Kathy Kleiman
01:39:29
@Maxim, tx for sharing the details here in the chat.
Maxim Alzoba
01:39:36
Q4d - it will break the way GEOs work currently
Maxim Alzoba
01:40:00
for example word police.GEO
Maxim Alzoba
01:40:03
e.t.c
David McAuley (Verisign)
01:40:22
Greg had particular insight into this as I recall and he is not on this call
Julie Bisland
01:40:43
@All: someone new has joined on phone number 215****094, does anyone know who this is?
Maxim Alzoba
01:41:51
Claims fine (for example in .moscow we extend it each year, to ensure that TM owners are informed)
Susan Payne
01:42:33
no, it's not outside scope. but we could not agree
Griffin Barnett
01:42:56
Not outside scope because it was about pre-Sunrise reservation and post-SUnrise release as a means of circumventing SUnrise
Susan Payne
01:43:21
correct Griffin
Griffin Barnett
01:43:30
But agree that we as a Sub Team could not reach agreement ultimately on how to addres this matter (or at least that the implied right of first refusal was a solution)
Maxim Alzoba
01:43:57
@Griffin, for GEOs it was the only way to deliver strings to the local governments due to extremely small number of 100 for cities with few hundreds streets
Maxim Alzoba
01:44:31
and examples of POLICE.GEO, METRO.GEO e.t.c. were used a lot
Paul Tattersfield
01:44:54
Hmmm, a domain owner contracting an TM owner to sell a matching second level domain, one thing if it's standard price $10 etc. but if its $x,000 might be considered a bit different
Maxim Alzoba
01:45:18
giving out POLICE.CITY to eyewearmaker org. is against the public interest
Griffin Barnett
01:46:00
maybe we should say "improper circumvention of Sunrise" to differentiate from certain reasonable and valid reasons to do that kind of pre-Sunrise reservation and post-Sunrise release
David McAuley (Verisign)
01:46:03
and we can say how we read the question - how we took it
Maxim Alzoba
01:46:11
@Paul, General availability usually starts from Landrush - some kind of lowering prices process, and not from low price , which we see in the end
Julie Hedlund
01:46:14
@David: Good point
Griffin Barnett
01:46:15
We are really trying to address a problem other than the situation Maxim described
David McAuley (Verisign)
01:46:18
some questions were very poorly worded
Maxim Alzoba
01:46:28
+1 David
Susan Payne
01:47:08
well actually I think we do have the capacity to change the questions. we just are unable to agree terminology which is better - as the charter Q subteam discovered at length
Susan Payne
01:47:50
and it's been a failure of Council to give us a charter in this form
Julie Hedlund
01:47:53
Very true Susan and noted
Maxim Alzoba
01:48:00
@Susan, GNSO Council might be needed to recharter the group (Charter questions are part of it)
Maxim Alzoba
01:48:32
I do not think something stops us from providing notice to the questions though
Michael R. Graham
01:48:33
Sorry -- Have to leave call.
Susan Payne
01:48:39
Maxim we have redrafted for sense and to remove leading questions
Marie Pattullo
01:48:59
Agree with Griffin; we should be able to find wording for this to make it clear what it's about, and what it's NOT about (i.e. Maxim's example).
Susan Payne
01:49:07
but that redrafting exercise was sufficiently contentious that it does not always fix the problems
Julie Hedlund
01:49:30
Right, there already was a redrafting exercise…
Maxim Alzoba
01:49:50
@Susan, I meant we can regroup questions, add notices, provide recommendations, but I think we can not change the questions itself
Marie Pattullo
01:49:58
Maxim: I think the possible "rechartering" is re Phase 2?
Maxim Alzoba
01:50:24
@Marie, it it is not reopening the questions without proper new information
Maxim Alzoba
01:50:28
*if
Susan Payne
01:50:31
@Maxim, and I'm saying we did do that. I will put a link
Marie Pattullo
01:51:09
I get that Maxim - I meant making the "proposed answer" clearer for the community reader
Susan Payne
01:51:13
https://community.icann.org/display/RARPMRIAGPWG/WG+Charter
Julie Hedlund
01:52:33
@Brian: The details will be available for reference in the summary of the discussions.
Paul Tattersfield
01:52:47
5(a)(iv) would it be helpful to list them in a footnote?
Kathy Kleiman
01:52:51
or buttonhole a member of the subteam :-)
David McAuley (Verisign)
01:52:54
Our 30-day and 60-day expert (among others) was Kristine
Julie Hedlund
01:54:19
@All: It might be helpful to point out that these answers to questions, recommendations, and questions for community input will be provided in context in the Initial Report. Deliberations will be summarized so that the readers can see how questions were interpreted and how recommendations were developed.
Maxim Alzoba
01:54:58
If sunrise is no more, Registries will have to mimic it to honour rights of TM owners
Paul Tattersfield
01:55:33
shouldn't you say why they didn't reach a conculsion
Kathy Kleiman
01:55:53
Save Q6 for next week?
Maxim Alzoba
01:56:01
it was in the transcripts
Kathy Kleiman
01:56:09
Tx you, Brian, for bringing us through so many Sunrise Q!
Maxim Alzoba
01:56:22
do we have 5min left?
David McAuley (Verisign)
01:56:25
Agree, thanks Brian
Julie Hedlund
01:56:27
@Brian: It seems like a good place to stop
Maxim Alzoba
01:56:33
+1
Julie Hedlund
01:57:03
same time next week
David McAuley (Verisign)
01:57:42
wonderful progress
Brian Beckham
01:57:48
Thanks to you all Julie!
Maxim Alzoba
01:57:56
bye all
David McAuley (Verisign)
01:58:13
bye
Paul Tattersfield
01:58:13
thnaks all bye