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34:05
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Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry - RySG)
34:22
Oh, wonderful. My misunderstanding.
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry - RySG)
34:31
Never mind. :-)
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry - RySG)
36:32
Support blocking the time for a bi-weekly call.
Brian King (IPC)
36:58
sounds good
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry - RySG)
36:59
[It's a little loud here. Prime Day and all. So, will be mostly typing. apologies.]
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
37:08
sounds good to me
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry - RySG)
38:11
Can we split the difference with 75 minutes?
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
38:23
I am fine with a 90 minutes call
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry - RySG)
38:32
That will incentivize us to talk faster.
Brian King (IPC)
38:32
I'm happy with 90 or 75
Margie Milam (BC)
38:45
75 min is better for me since I have to drive to work during the last 15 min
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
38:55
TWO HOURS IS TOO LONG, oops, sorry, I am fine with it, actually
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
38:59
I am ok wuth 75 as well
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
39:09
*with
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
39:46
Works for me
Terri Agnew
39:54
Will get invites sent out today until ICANN66 - bi-weekly for 75 minutes
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry - RySG)
42:09
sounds good.
Terri Agnew
44:25
finding the line
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
44:37
there is a problem with the sound
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry - RySG)
45:47
In its current form, Q1 seems to me to be too broad and too general to be answerable in a way that is cost effective and useful to us.
Margie Milam (BC)
46:40
Agree with Kristina and Hadia
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry - RySG)
46:43
And it requires B&B to have a lot of EPDP- and ICANN-specific knowledge.
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry - RySG)
46:55
Agree with Hadia - the short answer is exactly as she states.
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry - RySG)
47:34
support approach 1
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
48:05
support
Tara Whalen (SSAC)
48:08
Getting clarity from the source seems necessary, yes.
Brian King (IPC)
48:09
I support the approach you describe, Leon.
Margie Milam (BC)
48:10
No
Brian King (IPC)
49:56
I like Margie's idea even more
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
50:36
The purpoes were defined in phase I
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
51:09
*purposes
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
51:10
Hadia, please. Those were the purposes for collection, not for disclosure
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
51:38
agree with Margie - no need to send it back to the group
Brian King (IPC)
53:23
support
Brian King (IPC)
53:30
happy to move on
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry - RySG)
54:04
I have a more general point (picking up on Volker's and Dan's points): We need to recognize that we're not currently able to identify all of the questions that we may wish to pose to B&B because of the current status of the EPDP's work. In other words, we need a placeholder that we'll circle back to ensure that all necessary questions have, in fact, been asked (being mindful of our budget and timeline).
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
55:04
Yes true volker those (Phase 1 purposes) were the purposes for collection and processing has to be compatible with the purposes for which it was originally collected
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
56:35
+1 Kristina
Brian King (IPC)
01:02:16
I support Kristina's concept too. I'd like to go farther with specifics, but I'd go at least as far as Kristina suggests
Stephanie Perrin (NCSG)
01:07:25
why is ICANN willing to assume the liability in place of the registrars?
Brian King (IPC)
01:08:51
I can take a shot at that
Brian King (IPC)
01:08:59
would be willing to accept help
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry - RySG)
01:10:35
This could potentially be wrapped into the new combined 2/5, but we'd need greater clarity from ISPCP as to what they mena by "accreditation based disclosure system"
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry - RySG)
01:10:46
saying the same thing as volker, it appears
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
01:12:26
leon may you please raise you voice
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
01:12:33
if the question means only accreditation gets you access, then yes, the answer should be no.
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
01:12:34
*your
Brian King (IPC)
01:12:45
+1 Volker
Brian King (IPC)
01:13:23
unless we want to ask about "accreditation plus X = access. solve for X." but then that's too broad and needs to be included in the 2/5 hybrid
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
01:14:00
+1 volker accreditation cannot be the only means
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
01:14:01
+1 Brian
Stephanie Perrin (NCSG)
01:14:28
You cannot deny an access request simply because the individual/entity is not accredited. This is the flaw in the model (or one of them). Individual requests need to be honoured and cannot be well imagined in an automated system.
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
01:14:29
+ Brian
Stephanie Perrin (NCSG)
01:15:01
Why don’t we ask Bird and Bird for a review of the case law on liability for disclosure error?
Brian King (IPC)
01:15:15
sorry too many popups to clear between me and the hand button
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
01:15:26
Stephanie, agreed. But it still serves a purpose.
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
01:16:18
We need to include the elements of accreditation
Stephanie Perrin (NCSG)
01:16:35
Sure but we are asking rather basic questions here….e.g. about liability for a centralized model.
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry - RySG)
01:16:45
Does anyone happen to have handy the $ ceiling on our budget for this work?
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
01:16:46
There will always be individual requests outside of the system. That is understood. But working in the system may cut down processing time for those that use it.
Stephanie Perrin (NCSG)
01:17:10
The legal principles on which liability would rest have been litigated, not to mention examined by the EDPB and its predecessor
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry - RySG)
01:17:23
That will allow us to work backwards and prioritize accordingly.
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry - RySG)
01:17:37
Not specific to this question, but a more general point.
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry - RySG)
01:17:45
thank you.
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
01:17:51
TBH, for our registrars, based on the amounts of requests we get, we would not need a system at all. We can handle all incoming requests for disclosure (1-10 a week) in our regular ticketing system without breaking a sweat.
Margie Milam (BC)
01:17:54
%50k?
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
01:18:09
Our=CentralNic Group
Berry Cobb
01:19:13
It will be important for the LC to size the resource need. It will help inform the future request to the Council.
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry - RySG)
01:20:15
Actually, we can come pretty close to figuring out what the budget is. You'd be amazed at what OC can do when you give them a hard $ ceiling.
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
01:20:25
I fully agree with Margie. 50k is quite low, especially if you want a big box lawyer like bird2
Margie Milam (BC)
01:21:26
It would be really helpful to know what was spent in Phase 1
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
01:22:06
Maybe is we get fresh hirelings instead of partners we could stretch the funds further ;-)
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
01:22:13
if
Stephanie Perrin (NCSG)
01:23:39
It would have been cheaper to hire a competent lawyer from a DPA’s office, in the long run.
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry - RySG)
01:23:41
I'm not going to be comfortable relying on fresh hirelings. We can probably reduce costs somewhat with a differently structured work product deliverable.
Margie Milam (BC)
01:24:07
agree with Kristina - need partner level advice
Stephanie Perrin (NCSG)
01:24:17
The DPAs are having a hard time keeping them. Which in turn may be booting the problem to the courts.
Brian King (IPC)
01:25:01
Thanks for a positive, productive call today. Looking forward to more of the same.
Brian King (IPC)
01:26:02
Support a call on July 23
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
01:27:02
Thank you all - bye for now