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Julie Bisland
30:12
Welcome to the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group call on Thursday, 12 December 2019 at 20:00 UTC.
louishoule
30:46
Hello everyone
Maxim Alzoba
30:59
Hello all, will use chat mostly, it is quite late here
Vaibhav Aggarwal(Tiger)
31:16
Greetings Aloha Namaskar
Maxim Alzoba
32:09
a peacock lurking around?
Paul McGrady
32:49
Cheryl, your life is so much more interesting than the rest of us.
Julie Hedlund
33:15
See the doc at: Predictability Framework: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12_x8zYR9r6zXqfA7dmoosSPH12NmcyJ-2FEjecGrBh4/edit#heading=h.7kd5yr7uelh2
louishoule
33:27
I sent a SOI last week. I’m an observer from PointQuebec.
Jeff Neuman
33:32
I am back
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
33:34
Welcome back @Jeff
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
33:47
over to you after Anne asks her?
Kristine Dorrain (Amazon Registry)
34:41
Hi, apologies for being tardy. I have an updated SOI - I am on the 2020 NomCom but haven't had a chance to join this call since the Montreal meeting. Carry on. :)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
35:22
Anne we will also be creating an update to the Work Plan going forward ASAP so were sorted better on timings for all our 2020 calls
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
35:41
We do only have 1 more call this calendar year ;-)
Julie Bisland
37:29
@Jeff: when you have a pause, please can you ask who joined with phone number ending in —906?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
40:36
So in today's call if we can all focus on these Policy Goals/ What the WG is Seeking to Accomplish to guide us in discussions and seek agreements on Where we might wish to make recommendations **Rather than** focus on what is likely to be going on in the minute or the weeds of it all ;-)
Paul McGrady
41:36
Thanks Jeff!
Donna Austin, Neustar
44:53
So that would be after the conclusion of the IRT?
Annebeth Lange
52:13
It seems reasonable, Jeff
Annebeth Lange
57:39
There is always a question of how to interpret “substantial”
Steve Chan
57:53
Couple of hands up @Jeff
Donna Austin, Neustar
59:33
I think it might be best if staff came forward with a proposal and that be considered by the SPIRIT.
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:00:01
I agree with Jeff
Steve Chan
01:00:29
Paul had his hand up :)
Justine Chew
01:01:26
Apologies for joining late
Paul McGrady
01:01:42
Next section
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:01:59
I think the Staff will work with should simply delete "and the community" since SPIRT is how staff IS working with the community.
Donna Austin, Neustar
01:08:25
It was GAC advice, which is challenging in any process.
Donna Austin, Neustar
01:09:50
@Paul, I think this comes back to your earlier point that there has to be an overarching policy that NO changes to policy after the AGB has been agreed.
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:09:58
YES - gives the Board the ability to say - go talk to theSPIRT team and the GNSO.
Paul McGrady
01:10:48
@Donna, yes. I just don't want to create even more avenues to create chaos after applications go in. It would be the opposite of a "predictability framework"
Jeff Neuman
01:15:20
Ts probably my fault ….Im tired :)
Donna Austin, Neustar
01:17:49
Was it staff directed by the Board?
Donna Austin, Neustar
01:18:34
Wasn't the Board's NGPC or whatever it was the funnel for most of the changes?
Donna Austin, Neustar
01:20:31
If it is another 'method', then the composition becomes more important.
Kurt Pritz
01:20:59
I agree with Paul in that it should only address changes suggested by ICANN
Paul McGrady
01:21:12
I'm not sure what "an element of the community" is.
Paul McGrady
01:21:37
I think the referral sources should be Staff and Board. Full stop.
Justine Chew
01:21:42
Yes, "a subject matter expert" type group
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:21:58
So I think I am hearing SPIRIT is a mechanism or point in a process and Not and instigator of any changes...
Kurt Pritz
01:22:02
And Paul’s characterization and a “Non-Predictability Mechanism”
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:27:13
Thanks Anne
Paul McGrady
01:28:38
@Jeff, but we can put that into a "bias against changes" statement where we really hope the Board won't take unilateral actions.
Justine Chew
01:29:15
@Jeff, so would the Board or the GNSO Council withhold any issue from SPIRT?
Justine Chew
01:29:38
Sorry, could not would.
Justine Chew
01:30:04
+1 Donna
Jeff Neuman
01:30:33
Actually I disagree with some of that @DOnna
Paul McGrady
01:32:00
Agree with Donna. We need to know what the Spirit does and how it gets its input before we can start to build its ethical checks and balances
Donna Austin, Neustar
01:33:29
I really am not confident that your take is correct Jeff.
Justine Chew
01:37:01
@Jeff, so how would we "mandate" that all issues regardless of the source have to go to SPIRT?
Jeff Neuman
01:37:12
@Anne - I am not sure the GNSO Council would be the required intermediary..
Maxim Alzoba
01:38:41
council is usually fast, like 1.5 to 2 months fast
Maxim Alzoba
01:39:09
if no extraordinary meeting is conducted
Paul McGrady
01:42:28
I don't think the problem is with the existence of the Spirit team, the problem is if everyone can feed it info, it becomes a chaos builder. If we limit its inputs to Staff, Board and (if you twist my arm) Council, then it serves a knowable purpose. If not, I don't see the benefit.
Paul McGrady
01:43:49
@Donna, except that one person's implementation is another person's policy. E.g. closed generics, both sides were firmly convinced that the policy was already settled and in their favor.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:46:23
Flow Diagram would be most helpful AGree @Donna
Jeff Neuman
01:48:24
Yes, if Staff, Board or Council believes something is definatly policy, then yes it would not go through the SPIRT
Donna Austin, Neustar
01:49:04
Notwithstanding the discussion to date, I really am concerned about the added layers of bureacracy that this may create and associated risk of delays to program implementation.
Jeff Neuman
01:49:18
The standing team is supposed to be a helpful source of advice to the Council and staff in making recommendations on whether something is policy or implementation in not clear situations
Paul McGrady
01:49:39
+1 Donna,
Jeff Neuman
01:50:07
@Paul/Donna I actually disagree and I will explain why
Justine Chew
01:50:24
+1 Anne, ICANN Org shouldn't be the one making the policy versus implementation determination, that's where I see the benefit of SPIRT.
Donna Austin, Neustar
01:52:21
You are assuming that there will be no disagreement among the members of the SPIRIT team.
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:52:55
Donna - that would be why - when SPIRT team disagrees, any Council member can raise the issue at the Council level.
Paul McGrady
01:53:07
OR that the Spirit isn't being lobbied to death
Justine Chew
01:53:19
But Donna, disagreement could occur with any team/body
Donna Austin, Neustar
01:54:04
Agreed Justine, so if you kick the can up the chain, you might have the same disagreement issue.
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:54:18
SPIRT team deals with issues as they arise post-application process in the same way that IRT deals with implementation issues prior to application window opening.
Annebeth Lange
01:55:24
What is policy if AGB is only implementation?
Donna Austin, Neustar
01:55:39
So maybe the Council needs to do a first pass at whether the issue is Policy or Implementation. If it is Implementation then it goes to SPIRT. If it is Policy then the Council will deal with it.
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:56:24
Expertise includes background in the new gTLD policy development, not just technical expertise.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:57:05
Is that a new Hand @Donna
Paul McGrady
01:57:14
Jeff, will you and Staff go back and fiddle with it before the next call?
Donna Austin, Neustar
01:57:18
yes, but if we're out of time it doesn't matter
Donna Austin, Neustar
01:57:26
i put my note in chat
Julie Bisland
01:57:40
NEXT CALL: Monday, 16 December 2019 at 20:00 UTC for 90 minutes.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:57:41
OK Thanks
Julie Hedlund
01:58:08
It is in the notes
Annebeth Lange
01:58:13
Really interesting discussion. Bye for now.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:58:32
Thanks for your time today everyone... Bye for now... until Next week :-)
Louis Houle
01:58:38
Interesting indeed. Bye.
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:58:50
I think Donna's suggestion makes sense if request comes from Board or GNSO. If from Staff, SPIRT should recommend to Council.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:58:54
Gregorian Calander
Julie Bisland
01:59:02
Monday, 16 December 2019 at 20:00 UTC for 90 minutes.
Robin Gross
01:59:02
Thanks all, bye!
Maxim Alzoba
01:59:11
bye all