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Julie Bisland
36:27
Welcome to the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group call on Thursday, 01 August 2019
avri doria
36:28
a body to count but i will say very little
Jim Prendergast
39:22
am I counting correctly that we only have 5 non staff/leadership particpants?
Steve Chan
40:03
6 I think, FWIW
Heather Forrest
40:16
Aw, thanks, Steve....
Steve Chan
40:28
you all count in my eyes ;)
avri doria
40:41
eeek
Justine Chew
47:23
Just on the topic of revising nomenclature of "Global South", there has been a recent suggestion from an At-Large member, to consider an objective measure available under the UNDP Human Development Index @https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index.
Justine Chew
48:27
Along the lines of human development level.
Steve Chan
50:32
@Justine, I was looking to see if we missed that reference, but I think I misunderstood. That discussion is recent, correct?
Justine Chew
51:09
@Steve, I just raised it :)
Steve Chan
51:21
Extremely recent :)
Justine Chew
51:34
@Steve, yes, just now :)
Steve Chan
52:12
Yes, will share with Mary
Maxim Alzoba
53:26
The communities using IDN might be the next bucket of supported applicants
Maxim Alzoba
53:38
for communities
Maxim Alzoba
54:39
but the support request should have a justification
Justine Chew
54:59
would it too complicated to consider both methods -- buckets for IDN applications and evaluation based on meritocracy for other applications?
Justine Chew
57:45
Will the SARP be reconstituted? Do we have to consider a recommendation on this? Along with its procedures?
Justine Chew
59:06
Avri has disappeared
Justine Chew
59:49
Thanks, Cheryl.
Kathy Kleiman
01:00:43
could you repost the link to the Google Doc?
Kathy Kleiman
01:00:56
Tx!
Steve Chan
01:01:00
Here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/11mtncTwPLPx6vpbunACToRZy1vWyls-MxVAb3wqEYsk/edit#
Justine Chew
01:08:13
I am more concerned with possible additional cost during the application process apart from application fee, such as those associated with undergoing contention resolution (auction) if contention set arises.
Justine Chew
01:09:59
Thanks!
Maxim Alzoba
01:10:34
a year of perations costs more than the fee of last time
Maxim Alzoba
01:10:47
in a very very cheap setup
Maxim Alzoba
01:11:06
correction; * operations
Jim Prendergast
01:11:25
yeah - application is but one part of the cost of doing this. its the ongoing costs that need to be planned for
Justine Chew
01:12:04
Operational viability could be somewhat established through the Financial aspect of the ASP criteria. Bundle partnerships.
Maxim Alzoba
01:13:23
and the only other part of expenses we can talk about is ongoing quarterly[current payments design] fees (I doubt that ICANN should pay to the registry)
Maxim Alzoba
01:14:15
and even this - is an effective ‘payment’
Maxim Alzoba
01:15:23
and if approved this would be a growing sink (10year registry contracts)
Justine Chew
01:15:34
Such as a deferment or waiver of recurring fees based on registration numbers?
Maxim Alzoba
01:16:28
@Justine, actually the current fees design - up to 50k domains is flat rate of 25k USD
Maxim Alzoba
01:17:09
and the 50001st domain ‘cost’ is around 12k USD (model turns to a formula from RA)
Justine Chew
01:17:48
@Maxim, sure, I mean on top of the current fees design. Just a thought.
Maxim Alzoba
01:18:56
@Justine, if a Registry has more than 50k domains, most probably it does not need additional support
Justine Chew
01:19:58
Just a thought, @Maxim, just a thought.
Jim Prendergast
01:22:01
so aside from the Indian Government, it appears that there is no other support for continued financial support for applicants beyond the application fees. Is that a fair assessment?
Maxim Alzoba
01:22:05
good I thought JAS was JAS advisors (Name Collision delay inventors)
Heather Forrest
01:23:04
@Jim - I suppose the BC comment does suggest support for something related to application prep but not app fees
Julie Bisland
01:25:24
hand up from Heather
Heather Forrest
01:27:29
Thanks Julie and Steve
Heather Forrest
01:28:16
Thanks Cheryl
Heather Forrest
01:28:19
Good point, im
Heather Forrest
01:28:23
*Jim
Steve Chan
01:29:47
Support should continue to extend beyond simply financial. ICANN’s approach should include mentorship on the management, operational and technical aspects of running a registry such as existing registries/registrars within the region to develop in-house expertise to help ensure a viable business for the long term.
Heather Forrest
01:30:26
Is it perhaps that we're looking at "new ideas", and not at points of agreement?
Heather Forrest
01:30:44
thanks, Steve- extremely helpful
Justine Chew
01:30:53
Thanks @Steve, I thought I saw ICANN registry-level fees somewhere.
Heather Forrest
01:31:58
Again, the precise wording of Jim's comment is: so aside from the Indian Government, it appears that there is no other support for continued financial support for applicants beyond the application fees. Is that a fair assessment?
Justine Chew
01:32:04
@CLO, what about "ICANN registry-level fees"?
Heather Forrest
01:32:17
emphasis: continued financial support for applicants beyond the application fees
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:33:14
Yes I see that @Heather we do need to be secific and use clear language in this at this point...
Steve Chan
01:33:18
Thanks for the emphasis Heather
Maxim Alzoba
01:35:15
such ongoing support might lead to a situation with creation of ‘ICANN subsidized’ regitries, which is dangerous from the Anti-Monopoly Agencies perspective
Maxim Alzoba
01:35:20
*registries
Heather Forrest
01:36:24
:)
Maxim Alzoba
01:36:31
where all policies effectively set by ICANN, which looks quite similar to ‘historically based monopoly’
Heather Forrest
01:39:14
Just stepping away from the computer for 5 minutes, will be back
Justine Chew
01:40:36
So two levels of ASP application fee reduction?
Steve Chan
01:40:50
At least that’s my read
Justine Chew
01:41:00
Okay, noted, thanks
Justine Chew
01:41:32
EFGHI too!
Jim Prendergast
01:42:27
EFGHI?? New ICANN Acronym?
Justine Chew
01:43:45
It was in jest response to Cheryl's ABCD :)
Jim Prendergast
01:43:53
ahh
Maxim Alzoba
01:50:49
will have hard stop in 15min
Heather Forrest
01:56:06
Sorry, all - I'm back
Steve Chan
02:00:33
@Cheryl, hand from Kathy if you’ve not noticed.
Kathy Kleiman
02:03:28
Do we need to talk about funding next meeting?
Kathy Kleiman
02:03:30
?
Kathy Kleiman
02:03:37
Funding is key
Maxim Alzoba
02:04:46
bye all and thanks!
Julie Bisland
02:04:55
NEXT CALL: Tuesday, 06 August 2019 at 03:00 UTC 90 minutes
Heather Forrest
02:05:07
Thanks all, have a good weekend.
Kathy Kleiman
02:08:57
Sorry All!
Kathy Kleiman
02:09:15
Good night!