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Nathalie Peregrine's Personal Meeting Room - Shared screen with speaker view
David McAuley
12:36
Just noticed Michael on audio only - will ask later
Ariel Liang
18:38
You are welcome to scroll through the summary table on your own.
julie.hedlund
21:18
I’m back on the Internet :-)
Ariel Liang
21:28
Q8 is on page 34
Susan Payne
25:27
GDD
Julie Bisland
26:06
Maxim is not on the call :(
Kathy Kleiman
26:58
Tx David.
mary.wong
30:32
Noted, David.
Kathy Kleiman
30:41
yes
Kathy Kleiman
33:42
agree about returning to the source material.
Kathy Kleiman
33:55
The conflation may have been partially in my reading.
mary.wong
33:58
@Susan, thanks for spotting this. Staff will attempt to clarify the text in the summary table.
Susan Payne
34:56
and I'msaying our summary is imprecise
Susan Payne
35:17
we just need to look at the underlying documents
Susan Payne
36:06
@Mary, thnaks
Scott Austin
42:27
+1 Phil
Susan Payne
45:03
+1 Phil
Susan Payne
47:08
.CO is not a new gTLD so not relevant to this particular discussion
Kathy Kleiman
49:19
What is?
Kathy Kleiman
49:50
cloud, pen, Christmas, the
Philip Corwin
50:01
To further my remarks, .rugby has sunrise coming up on July 8. Rugby is not a category of goods and services, but if Nike, Adidas, or any other mark holder who makes goods used in rugby wants to use sunsrise in that new TLD because they beieve it is relevant why should they be barred?
Kathy Kleiman
50:28
huge burden on new businesses, entrepreneurs, organizations and everyone using dictionary words and common terms
Michael
50:34
Hi all
Kathy Kleiman
50:59
We need a solution to a data-driven problem.
mary.wong
51:28
If it will help - since the objective is to discourage/eliminate gaming, is there something the Sub Team can recommend relating to SDRPs instead?
Michael
52:34
Sounds good.
Susan Payne
52:42
exactly Mary, that is what has been previously suggested to fix the gaming issue
Philip Corwin
52:54
IMHO, the solution to gaming is to tighten eligibility to register a mark in the TMCH, not to restrict the ability of legitimate mark holders to use their own discretion when considering sunrise registration
Kathy Kleiman
53:33
@Phil: how would you tighten registration in the TMCH?
Philip Corwin
54:35
@Kathy--i don't have a proposal right now, but TMCH is our final subject after we complete the sunrise and claims sub teams work
Scott Austin
54:37
+1 Brian
Philip Corwin
55:49
The other problem with this proposal is that no one could use sunrise in a general purpose omnibus TLD such as link, website, etc unless they were in the domain business
Philip Corwin
01:01:10
@Michael--who is going to vet a mark holder's claim that it is doing business in the sector relating to the TLD?
Kathy Kleiman
01:03:10
Mini makes only cars, not bikes
Greg Shatan
01:05:42
My hand is up.
David McAuley
01:06:16
Greg is now in queue - sorry if i missed that
Scott Austin
01:08:01
Who decides what is suggestive and by what criteria; some jurisdictions (Benelux) allow registration without use, some allow an entire class to be used as an identification of goods/serrvics and how will you prove commercially active - specimen within the past 5 years? who vets the specimen. USPTO is auditing photoshopped ball caps used as a ruse for use.
Kathy Kleiman
01:10:52
this is very useful!
Susan Payne
01:12:13
@Greg, thanks
mary.wong
01:13:04
@Michael & @Susan - any suggestions on how potential registrants will know what gTLD is “suggestive of a particular category of good or service” (e.g. should ICANN require a statement in the RO’s gTLD application?); also, what might constitute proof of “active business” (e.g. any relationship to the current “proof of use” requirement?)
Susan Payne
01:14:07
@Mary, no I have no suggestions since I think the proposal is flawed
Greg Shatan
01:16:21
BIKE is also a trademark for athletic supporters....
Kathy Kleiman
01:24:45
minibike is a generic term for a group of really cute tiny bikes and motorcycles
Kathy Kleiman
01:24:49
Look it up -- great pics!
Greg Shatan
01:24:52
BMW does do BMW branded motorcycles, BTW.
Susan Payne
01:27:33
@Micchael, so you are expecting the registry or registrar to make this determination? They have already told us that they do not want to do that. It adds complexity and cost to their business, and many of them are not set up to do this, they do not have the staff or the expertise
Philip Corwin
01:29:01
@ Michael -- with all respect, it doesn't matter whether you personally think a mark holder's activities are sufficiently close to prove active business in a specific category. There will need to be rules implemented by an independent third party validator, because registrars lack thee expertise and can't afford to make that judgment, and registries will likely interpret the connection very liberally to get the premium price paid.
Kathy Kleiman
01:31:22
low volume
David McAuley
01:31:59
is that me Kathy, am I low
Kathy Kleiman
01:32:54
I had trouble hearing Greg.
Greg Shatan
01:34:04
Sorry, Kathy, I’ll get closer to my tablet.
Kathy Kleiman
01:34:20
Tx Greg
David McAuley
01:34:42
Thanks all, good discussion
Kathy Kleiman
01:34:50
Tx David!