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Steve Chan
30:27
Link to the CCT-RT worksheet: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spreadsheets_d_1PGV5-5FnMafLWtSHyCGdr-2Db8eqoJj9B8YKBSheVJQcvHg_edit-23gid-3D0&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=adDIs0WEx_lLwFfrsdovxTYY8GkRHo5ibc8SR3Npdh8&m=CQEth_7agzL4nstv-7WTuaAuI6d1I-2inhjqcYiT46I&s=_XTDCfkKmKqnVvDXLipjUnSpWQxWcRAfyzsdNb-WwWs&e=
Steve Chan
30:45
yuck, trying that URL again: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PGV5_nMafLWtSHyCGdr-b8eqoJj9B8YKBSheVJQcvHg/edit#gid=0
Maxim Alzoba
30:57
hello all, will use chat only, it's quite early
Paul McGrady
33:58
Is this in our remit?
Maxim Alzoba
34:00
do we have a definition of proactive
Maxim Alzoba
34:08
?
Maxim Alzoba
35:15
if it is about prevention of a crime before it happens, then we lack ability to predict future.
Paul McGrady
36:12
Do we want to do more with this than say "we agree" and leave it to the implementation team?
Maxim Alzoba
36:29
I am not sure we agree
Elaine Pruis
37:03
leave it to the community
Paul McGrady
37:56
+1 Elaine.
Paul McGrady
38:30
I guess we should acknowledge in our report that we read this and understood it. But that we think the broader community discussion is afoot.
Tom Dale
39:26
Agree. That would reflect the range of discussions in Montreal.
Justine Chew
39:41
I don't disagree with the conclusion on Recommendation 14, but it just seems like a little bit of a cop-out.
Justine Chew
40:00
But I'm not sure how to progress it though
Maxim Alzoba
42:02
financial incentive without a proper definition of what is a proactive anti-abuse measures is not transparent, and looks like provision of benefits without a proper basis
Paul McGrady
42:53
RE: #16, I don't think there is anything much to object to there, but if we take the lead, it really has us meddling in ICANN Compliance issues which I think is a bit far afield of what we are doing here.
Maxim Alzoba
44:16
it is contradictory to TempSpec
Paul McGrady
44:41
RE: 17, the chain of parties generally so people understand the industry or is this meant to upend EPDP?
Paul McGrady
45:26
+1 Jeff. Seems overtaken by events.
Maxim Alzoba
45:38
the text is too broad, and we can not demand Registries to violate privacy laws because AGB asks for that.
Paul McGrady
46:32
Could you imagine the chaos it would cause if we tried to deal substantively with this in this group? :)
Paul McGrady
47:07
@Steve, can you move the screen so we can see 18?
Steve Chan
47:33
Sorry Paul, I had the screen share frozen…
Steve Chan
47:38
Unfrozen now
Paul McGrady
47:38
or 23 as it turns out. Thanks Steve
Paul McGrady
48:18
@Jeff, I was focused on trying to see the text. Can you start from the top again on this? Sorry.
Steve Chan
48:45
Sorry Paul AND Jeff now :(
Maxim Alzoba
48:53
. wine?
Paul McGrady
50:28
Where would this go in a new AGB? Seems more Compliance than GDD.
Heather Forrest
50:43
Agree with Paul - this sounds more like next round than reviewing previous round
Justine Chew
51:17
Yes to keeping PICs for future rounds, also collect data on whether PICs have been complied with, what were the weaknesses on protections (if any)
Heather Forrest
51:30
If we're talking future strings, it's difficult to call out in advance what such strings would be. Let's not box ourselves in with a cookie-cutter definition of 'Highly Sensitive Strings'
Maxim Alzoba
51:42
currently it looks like the definition is 'what GAC thinks is in a category 1'
Heather Forrest
52:12
Fully agree with THAT, Jeff
Justine Chew
52:32
Refer to GAC for guidance
Paul McGrady
52:43
+1 Jeff and Heather. Also, for the record, I think keeping PICS is a good idea.
Heather Forrest
52:47
@Justine - I think that opens Pandora's box
Heather Forrest
53:00
I agree with Jeff that we should be in the driver's seat here with PDP recommendations
Justine Chew
53:19
Not carte blanche ... guidance, not rules
Paul McGrady
53:23
Is there a working definition of "sensitive string" from the GAC that we can tinker with?
Tom Dale
54:09
My understanding is that the GAC has not discussed this substantively for a LONG time. The advice dates mainly from 2013.
Paul McGrady
54:25
If not, can we come up with one here as a starting point? Seems like we would know it if we saw it, e.g. .nuclear power, .nursinghome, ,patientdata, etc.
Justine Chew
54:50
Interesting idea @Heather
Christa Taylor
54:53
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/resolutions-new-gtld-annex-2-05feb14-en.pdf
Heather Forrest
55:24
Rough definition = highly regulated, with Self identification with a panel to confirm
Heather Forrest
56:05
Let's draw guidance from community and geo rules from he current AGB
Justine Chew
56:15
After all, we're talking about criteria that is highly likely to be "called" a "sensitive string"
Justine Chew
56:49
After all, we're talking about criteria that is highly likely to lead to a string being "called" a "sensitive string"
Maxim Alzoba
56:53
some topics might be highly regulated in some jurisdictions and not in others
Paul McGrady
01:00:42
Paul's hand isup
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:02:23
That does make sense to me (personally) @Paul
Justine Chew
01:02:31
I suspect it's to do with upfront voluntary PICs.
Paul McGrady
01:02:59
I'd like for us to parse that out so that we don't accidently cut out PICS as problem solver
Justine Chew
01:03:17
But I agree with Paul's assessment on PICs being a problem solver then to ensure there is opportunity to comment.
Justine Chew
01:04:42
Leave to implementation ... together other search-able features
Justine Chew
01:04:58
Add to that list
Maxim Alzoba
01:05:19
formally it is badly searchable now on ICANN site
Paul McGrady
01:06:02
Is there another industry that we could benchmark against?
Maxim Alzoba
01:07:05
the definition of Global South we are lacking
Justine Chew
01:07:29
"Global South" superceded by Middle applicants
Christa Taylor
01:07:36
We did have some, interest, number who actually apply, etc.
Christa Taylor
01:08:48
# of actual applicants
Justine Chew
01:09:31
Related also is marketing/comms ... outreach on awareness of ASP.
Paul McGrady
01:10:05
Interesting: http://www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_Global_IT_Report_2015.pdf
Maxim Alzoba
01:10:19
if only reference is geographic, then even Antarctica fits
Paul McGrady
01:10:24
"Of course, well-being goes beyond personal health.Individuals may be healthy but belong to societiesplagued by disease, corruption, or unrest. The developednations of the Global North—North America, Europe, andEast Asia—have one-quarter of the world’s populationbut control four-fifths of the world’s income. Conversely,the Global South—with three-quarters of the world’spopulation—has access to only one-fifth of the world’sincome.1"
Paul McGrady
01:10:46
Paul's hand is up
Justine Chew
01:11:14
I'm good with that suggestion @Jeff
Christa Taylor
01:11:39
Ck WT1 notes as we did capture a bunch of ideas and thoughts including some metrics
Justine Chew
01:12:27
Let's relook at WT1 metrics?
Alexander Schubert
01:13:43
What's the ratio of gTLD domains registered in the Global South to the World?
Paul McGrady
01:13:53
Of course, no how brilliantly written the next AGB is, if ICANN doesn't spend marketing dollars, we will see no improvement in our outcome.
Paul McGrady
01:14:07
...no matter how...
Alexander Schubert
01:15:03
"Domains in gTLDs"
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:15:20
Deffinaty!!! Marketing must be a key focu
Christa Taylor
01:15:38
We expanded the definition to the Middle Applicant so that's a tougher number to calc.
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:15:50
Isn't the big issue for Global South applications the sustainabiiity of financing a TLD over 10 years?
Maxim Alzoba
01:16:28
there is an issue, that having an affiliated organization used solely for application purposes currently fits the applicants from some region is indistinguishable from real ones
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:17:08
just noted
Justine Chew
01:18:17
Yes, I think Steve is correct
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:18:23
Thank you Steve.
Justine Chew
01:19:39
I think 29 and 30 sort of go together, so we should be able to address both at the same time. And 31 is already on the cards, as Jeff mentioned.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:20:42
It is not our work to to the marketing OR the definition I suspect that the PDP 'recommends... … .. will only gove weight to what ICANN.org needs to comit to do and undertake effectively...
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:21:17
Sorry my internet is unstable with thunder storms nd my Sat connection, so I have lag in chat... :-(
Maxim Alzoba
01:23:09
I am not sure it is our role to regulate how GAC works
Tom Dale
01:23:42
Aren’t these issues of general GAC operations rather than specific to new gTLD issues?
Paul McGrady
01:24:04
We need deadlines and require everyone to stick with them. We do not need to deconstruct the GAC Advice process in the Bylaws.
Justine Chew
01:26:31
Perhaps we need to clearly distinguish between GAC Early Warning and GAC Advice? We can propose timelines for GAC EW but not anything to do with "GAC Advice".
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:27:06
GAC Early Warning is a defined activity however
Maxim Alzoba
01:27:32
GAC can issue advice each ICANN meeting
Paul McGrady
01:27:50
I think the deadlines for GAC Advice were important - and their breach led to lots of chaos. I don't think stripping them out will lead to greater predictability for applicants
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:28:43
it was also a system being run and built at the same time or almost in reverse in the last round
Justine Chew
01:28:49
+1 Jeff. We should stick to GAC EW as a defined activity in the AGB.
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:28:50
In terms of recommending timelines for Early Warning, in the next round would this be gauged in relation to the number of applications that need to be reviewed?
Paul McGrady
01:29:48
@Jeff - it sounds like you are playing Jenga
Steve Chan
01:30:06
@Paul, and losing, since something fell :)
Heather Forrest
01:30:13
Hi Angel :)
Tom Dale
01:31:19
Maybe GAC will look at their EW as they frame a response to WT5.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:32:33
Yes @Jeff but the SYstem of Early Warnings is built recorded and can be if not is already codefied for their use this coming round
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:32:45
and that is a good thing
Maxim Alzoba
01:33:30
last time mostly rich communities applications survived
Maxim Alzoba
01:34:15
backed by wealthy organizations
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:40:08
Regarding important definitions such as "DNS Abuse" and "Global South", which definitions can be implementation definitions and which would require further policy work? Is there any way to put "DNS Abuse" into an implementation bucket? What does the Board Resolution say about this?
Paul McGrady
01:42:18
I think all we can do is spell out that we looked at them, understood them, and did what we could with them, but rather or not it satisfies GAC advice is not up to us.
Paul McGrady
01:42:47
whether not rather :)
Paul McGrady
01:42:51
its late
Julie Bisland
01:43:20
Monday, 02 December 2019 at 15:00 UTC for 90 minutes
Heather Forrest
01:43:26
+1 Paul re all we can do
Paul McGrady
01:44:10
I'd like to thank everyone for the kind tone of this call and for the problem solving everyone was trying to do.
Justine Chew
01:44:57
Alrighty, thanks @Jeff, all.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:45:48
Thanks for todays meeting discussion do (as @Jeff said) continue email discussions as we move forward... Bye for now and safe travels to anyone doing so in their upcoming US Thanksgiving break.
Paul McGrady
01:46:13
hahahaha
Steve Chan
01:46:14
lol
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:46:16
:-)
Christa Taylor
01:46:16
lol
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:46:20
Happy Thanksgiving!
Justine Chew
01:46:25
Better stop while you're ahead Jeff
Maxim Alzoba
01:46:26
bye all
Alberto Soto
01:46:27
Thanks, bye