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David McAuley
38:44
Thanks Heather
Ariel Liang
39:27
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uNXALBljWRf6rJcOqSCLoOo_4Axe188Mp5JWxnfb_lI/edit#heading=h.1t3h5sf
Julie Hedlund
39:39
No one has been through the GIP process David LOL
Steve DelBianco
39:41
Didn’t we say GIP hasn’t been used?
Julie Hedlund
39:49
right Steve
David McAuley
41:01
I was not aware GIP hadn't been used before
David McAuley
45:11
not so far
Ariel Liang
46:21
https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/annex-3-input-process-manual-30jan18-en.pdf
Ariel Liang
46:30
We are one :)
David McAuley
46:35
Ariel is amazing with these docs
Ariel Liang
46:49
thanks David :)
Julie Hedlund
47:18
+1 David :_)
Julie Hedlund
47:58
Hand up Heather
David McAuley
48:36
Zoom virtual hand
Heather Forrest
48:50
good point, Julie - thank you
Steve DelBianco
53:06
I have a question
Julie Hedlund
53:55
Good question Steve.
David McAuley
55:36
very tight timeframe, agree with Steve on that
Tatiana Tropina
56:42
I actually do have a problem with this, and it’s the same that Heather’s concern
Tatiana Tropina
01:00:43
yup I just want to have it on the record while I agree that technically Steve is right
Steve DelBianco
01:01:40
An editor must accept the changes I made
Julie Hedlund
01:02:00
@Steve: We’ll accept them along with the others.
Steve DelBianco
01:02:43
when we say GNSO and ccNSO “must consider the outcomes”. What does that mean?
David McAuley
01:03:15
i have to step away for a moment or two - am happy with this to this point
Julie Hedlund
01:03:43
@Steve: That’s from the bylaws
Julie Hedlund
01:03:52
my hand up
Julie Hedlund
01:04:26
I can help
Heather Forrest
01:05:47
So the outcome is a determination of failue, not a decision to do/not do something
Tatiana Tropina
01:06:05
so basically in generally it mean they must react?
Heather Forrest
01:06:09
Julie we lost you very briefly as your computer cut out
Heather Forrest
01:06:31
all good now
Heather Forrest
01:07:33
As I understand it, "consider" is the right word, not "respect", because the outcome isn't a decision to be respected
Tatiana Tropina
01:07:50
no definitely not respect
Wolf-Ulrich Knoben
01:09:02
My understanding is the same like Heather's
Tatiana Tropina
01:09:48
hand up
Julie Hedlund
01:09:54
hand up after Tatiana
Heather Forrest
01:10:02
OK Julie
Tatiana Tropina
01:10:58
yes off line might be better
Heather Forrest
01:11:21
Wolf-Ulrich you're next, thank you
David McAuley
01:11:48
I am back - very sorry about that
Steve DelBianco
01:11:49
I must depart this call in a few minutes to make it to my next meeting. Sorry (again)
Heather Forrest
01:12:07
Bummer, Steve! You're our eagle eyes!
Heather Forrest
01:12:25
Safe travels, we'll follow up offline
Steve DelBianco
01:12:49
I am fine if we leave this “consider the outcomes”, but let’s admit we don’t really know what that requires
Wolf-Ulrich Knoben
01:12:51
How about "...take into consideration..."?
Steve DelBianco
01:13:25
Consider is equivalent to “take into consideration”. Not any clearer.
Tatiana Tropina
01:13:40
I agree that it’s not any clearer
Tatiana Tropina
01:13:52
but probably if the situation is serious they will have to act anyway :)
Steve DelBianco
01:14:06
Leave it as is for now
Julie Hedlund
01:14:17
Staff can suggested some language offline
Tatiana Tropina
01:14:21
yes, leave for now. Sure we can find a word if needed
Ariel Liang
01:15:13
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ol8461abkOqzXSahZKkuLL-7GxDWklmA0wnK1CKwfgY/edit#heading=h.1t3h5sf
David McAuley
01:16:02
ccNSO GRC has a call on June 3rd - next Monday. I haven't seen agenda yet
Heather Forrest
01:16:14
that's helpful, David
Heather Forrest
01:16:22
You're our eyes into the GRC!
Julie Hedlund
01:17:01
Will do Heather
Heather Forrest
01:19:08
We lost you then Julie, but you're back now
David McAuley
01:19:16
This SIFR Team will be quite important, will have to move quickly and should include people who understand IANA very well
Heather Forrest
01:19:47
As you said, David - that will be easy for the ccNSO, but requires some thought for GNSO
David McAuley
01:19:58
indeed
Wolf-Ulrich Knoben
01:20:06
I've not yet really understood Bylaws 18.12 (a) IV. It's beyond my language knowledge
Heather Forrest
01:20:23
It's not the best example of Plain English drafting, Wolf-Ulrich
Heather Forrest
01:21:04
in other words: it's not you!
Tatiana Tropina
01:21:10
Plain English bylaws drafting? This is oxymoron :-)
David McAuley
01:21:14
The bylaws were drafted by the CCWGs' lawyers during latter stages of IANA TRansition - very dense stuff
Julie Hedlund
01:23:31
Yes, the Bylaws are worded rather inelegantly ;-)
Julie Hedlund
01:23:54
Sadly true Heather :-(
Tatiana Tropina
01:23:55
they are so dense in parts that light bends around them…
David McAuley
01:24:07
LOL Tanya
David McAuley
01:25:18
I will do thgat Heather
David McAuley
01:25:21
that
Julie Hedlund
01:25:29
I’ll take the action to check again with ccNSO support staff too.
David McAuley
01:26:23
the missing links?
Tatiana Tropina
01:26:36
:D :D :D
Julie Hedlund
01:26:37
There is another one too — sections 3.1, 3.2, 3.3 relating to rejecting Board/Nom Com.
David McAuley
01:26:40
very kind, thamkls
Julie Hedlund
01:27:19
Section 3.1 Nominating Committee Director removal process, Section 3.2 SO/AC Director Removal Process, Section 3.3 Board recall process -- Recall / removal processes
David McAuley
01:27:39
i suspect it will be on agenda
David McAuley
01:28:44
I also like the idea of delivering in one go, unless Council has a particular interest in any one process
David McAuley
01:29:02
seems sensible to me, Heather
Tatiana Tropina
01:29:23
Heather, I guess the Council is already used to not receiving full packages in time :-)
Julie Hedlund
01:29:34
That’s correct Heather.
Tatiana Tropina
01:30:01
Even the council can deliver full packages in time. So there. :-)
Tatiana Tropina
01:30:06
can not I mean
Julie Hedlund
01:30:12
The discussions in this DT have been very constructive and productive — it seems that the depth of discussion has been very helpful.
Julie Hedlund
01:30:41
;-)
David McAuley
01:31:17
June 12 is fine with me
Tatiana Tropina
01:31:24
I will try to join the meeting on the 12th, but as I am in Tunis for RightsCon, I am not sure I will be able to. I will send my apologies if I can’t.
Tatiana Tropina
01:31:29
will miss everyone, of course :-)
Julie Bisland
01:31:44
I will get this scheduled for 12 June at 21:00 UTC
Julie Hedlund
01:31:59
Hand up from me
Julie Hedlund
01:33:31
Good point Heather
David McAuley
01:34:40
Nothing here
David McAuley
01:34:52
i will
Tatiana Tropina
01:35:02
Thanks so much everyone. Have a great day!
Wolf-Ulrich Knoben
01:35:02
Thanks all and bye!
Ariel Liang
01:35:03
Thanks everyone!
David McAuley
01:35:04
thanks Heather and staff and all