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caitlin.tubergen
29:31
Please find a link to the worksheet here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pS9Pibanj-Hp6LztZpeERtxdoLsnp4y_-do0vU5VJuw/edit?pli=1
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
29:48
Hello all
caitlin.tubergen
31:37
Please find a link to the worksheet here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pS9Pibanj-Hp6LztZpeERtxdoLsnp4y_-do0vU5VJuw/edit?pli=1
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
33:40
great, so no one expects. deliverable here.
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
33:54
quick call ;-)
Georgios Tselentis (GAC)
34:25
What do you mean Volker?
Margie Milam (BC)
34:47
+1 Hadia
Matt Serlin (RrSG)
36:48
+1 Marc
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry - RySG)
36:55
I'd assumed - apparently incorrectly - that everyone was familiar with the legal advice we received in Phase 1. here's a link to the wiki page from which you can access the Accuracy legal memo. https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=105386422
Sarah Wyld (RrSG)
37:28
+1 Kristina
Matt Serlin (RrSG)
38:33
I’d agree with Marc that the expected deliverable could be any number of different things so “tbd” is appropriate at this time
Julf Helsingius (NCSG)
38:55
+1 Matt and Marc
Julf Helsingius (NCSG)
40:36
Volker: your audio is pretty quiet
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
41:14
volker please - may you raise your voice
Sarah Wyld (RrSG)
42:50
Let's also refer to this email thread about ARS stats: https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-epdp-team/2019-May/002034.html
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
43:01
apologies, will speak closer to the microphone next time
Matt Serlin (RrSG)
43:11
seems like we’re drifting into the meat of the topic at hand…thought the goal of this call was simply to review the worksheet
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
43:12
thank you
Matt Serlin (RrSG)
43:24
Based on all of the discussion, feels more and more like “tbd” is appropriate
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry - RySG)
43:24
+1 Matt
Mark Svancarek (BC) (MSFT)
43:52
+1 Matt
Sarah Wyld (RrSG)
44:07
Dont we already have a substantial legal opinion about Accuracy and GDPR?
Sarah Wyld (RrSG)
45:12
Yes, thank you. I thought that memo was quite clear, myself
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
45:21
the ARS is _not_ an audit tool. it is a study.
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
45:51
if icann wants to audit specific domain names, they can do that under the terms of the contract.
Alan Greenberg (ALAC)
46:23
Volker, if you take that position, that ARS is not an audit, then we go back to step 1.
Sarah Wyld (RrSG)
46:49
What's step 1?
Matt Serlin (RrSG)
46:59
+1 Alan W
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry - RySG)
47:06
Volker is absolutely correct.
Margie Milam (BC)
49:02
+1 Georgios
Matt Serlin (RrSG)
50:08
Sounds good Caitlin…thanks
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
50:28
even inaccuracy complaints can still be raised - after the data is disclosed.
Margie Milam (BC)
54:01
Agree we need to do the analysis that Georgios suggested
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
55:44
yes the letter is certainly relevant
Georgios Tselentis (GAC)
55:56
+1 Marc
Sarah Wyld (RrSG)
56:56
+1 Alan
Matt Serlin (RrSG)
57:01
+1 Alan
Georgios Tselentis (GAC)
57:02
What is the difference?
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry - RySG)
57:20
I support a B&B briefing on the condition that everyone attending reads their memo beforehand. Otherwise, it's a waste of their time and ICANN's $.
Sarah Wyld (RrSG)
57:31
Agree with Kristina
Alan Woods (RYSG)
57:35
completely agreed Kristina!
Matt Serlin (RrSG)
57:53
Agree with Kristina also
Sarah Wyld (RrSG)
58:26
We have affirmative steps? Whois Accuracy Program
Alan Woods (RYSG)
58:36
like the annual audit and the 15 day verification window ..... hmmmmmm
Alan Woods (RYSG)
58:46
+1 sarah
Sarah Wyld (RrSG)
58:49
+1 Alan
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
59:03
yes, and all these steps already are in the contract. wrp and verification/validation
Alan Woods (RYSG)
59:08
well B&B seems to beleive it's enough
Sarah Wyld (RrSG)
59:11
+1 Volker
Matt Serlin (RrSG)
59:19
+1 to the above
Alan Woods (RYSG)
59:23
*believe
Matt Serlin (RrSG)
01:00:38
Did we not have a compliance briefing on that topic in Phase 1?
Brian King (IPC)
01:00:43
+1 Margie
Brian King (IPC)
01:00:58
yes, those briefings would all be helpful
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
01:01:25
i thought they already said that during the last few meetings...
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
01:01:34
icann meetings
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
01:02:00
@sarah but this program is on halt now
Margie Milam (BC)
01:02:01
It has been some time since we heard from compliance
Margie Milam (BC)
01:02:29
about a year
Sarah Wyld (RrSG)
01:02:30
Hadia - accuracy reporting system is not the same as the whois accuracy program
Sarah Wyld (RrSG)
01:02:44
I am referring to: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/approved-with-specs-2013-09-17-en#whois-accuracy
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
01:03:17
enough is with regard a)to the purpose it was collected and b)registrants rights
Brian King (IPC)
01:04:21
+1 Alan on both
Margie Milam (BC)
01:05:02
I also suggested cross-field validation briefing
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
01:05:08
ARS status: icann provided comments on that at every icann meeting since they paused it
Ashley Heineman (GAC)
01:05:09
I think this is a great conversation, but I'm a little worried that we are walking a fine line on scope. Can folks make sure to explain why what they are proposing is specific to the scope of this EPDP/GDPR for the purpose to 1) make sure we are within scope, and 2) to avoid disagreements on intent and why what is being proposed is important in the context of GDPR and this EPDP. Accuracy is critically important, but if it isn't clealry within scope, I just want to make sure we don't lose precious time.
Matt Serlin (RrSG)
01:05:42
+1 Ashley
Alan Woods (RySG)
01:05:53
+1 Ashley
Sarah Wyld (RrSG)
01:05:56
+1 Ashley
Marc Anderson (RySG)
01:06:02
+1 Ashley
Sarah Wyld (RrSG)
01:07:15
Thanks, all!
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry - RySG)
01:07:17
thanks, all.
Julf Helsingius (NCSG)
01:07:22
Thanks!
Matt Serlin (RrSG)
01:07:27
thanks all
Alan Woods (RySG)
01:07:29
Thank you Caitlin and Terri! !
Alan Greenberg (ALAC)
01:07:30
@Ashley, accuracy may not be in scope, but ensuring that ICANN have the capabilities to enforce its contracts is in scope.