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Julie Bisland
31:45
Welcome to the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group on Thursday, 29 August 2019 at 20:00 UTC.
Alexander Schubert
32:16
So silent
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
34:57
delighted to have Sarmad here
Christopher Wilkinson
40:48
Could someone give us an indication as to how many scripts all this would apply for? Obviously CN and Arabic, but I have no idea how many others …
Sarmad Hussain
41:19
There are 28 scripts identified for RZ-LGR at this time
Sarmad Hussain
41:40
of which 18 have completed their proposals
Sarmad Hussain
43:40
Let me try in a minute
Sarmad Hussain
45:43
https://www.icann.org/public-comments/technical-rz-lgr-2019-05-15-en
Kristine Dorrain (Amazon Registry)
46:29
Apologies for the late join.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
47:14
welcome Kristine
Paul McGrady
47:33
@Sarmad, how would that affect contention sets?
Paul McGrady
49:25
Apply, get processed, and wait for delegation
Sarmad Hussain
51:53
Status of different scripts: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/generation-panel-2015-06-21-en
Sarmad Hussain
52:14
for RZ-LGR
Paul McGrady
52:17
@Jeff, that makes sense to me, since having an approved, but not yet delegated application, will put pressure on us to get those rules written.
Robin Gross
52:25
good approach
Sarmad Hussain
54:29
RZ-LGR tool is currently available online
Sarmad Hussain
55:12
https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/lgr-toolset-2015-06-21-en
Jim Prendergast
55:32
as this is a specialized area - probablybest to go back to them
Christopher Wilkinson
56:32
Do we have an issue on ISP support for IDN TLS?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
57:19
welcome @Donna
Donna Austin, Neustar
59:09
thanks Cheryl
Steve Chan
01:00:38
I’ve highlighted what I believe the ICANN Org is responding to
Justine Chew
01:01:58
So should the second last high level agreement point be clarified or even taken out?
Steve Chan
01:04:18
Already there :)
Justine Chew
01:04:33
@Jeff, second last
Steve Chan
01:04:38
:)
Justine Chew
01:05:14
Because both ICANN Org and ALAC have divergent comments
Sarmad Hussain
01:07:12
Please see. IDN Variant TLD management recommendations: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/idn-variant-tld-recommendations-analysis-25jan19-en.pdf
Jim Prendergast
01:07:17
you have portfolio operators with different backends...
Sarmad Hussain
01:08:25
Recommendation 7: Same registry service provider for IDN variant TLDs.
Christopher Wilkinson
01:09:23
We may be going towards different RSP accreditations: Simple (one script), Advanced (multiple scripts.)
Christa Taylor
01:12:51
Technology of the RSP's also varies which may result in the need for different providers
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:13:49
good point @Christa
Donna Austin, Neustar
01:16:47
I'm trying to understand why one entity would engage two different providers to operate an IDN and it's variant. I take your point Christa, but I don't understand why that would be the case.
Steve Chan
01:17:34
To be clear, this small team is not developing policy on IDNs. It’s a scoping exercise.
Justine Chew
01:21:09
Because the comment comes from IPC?
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:21:47
There is no reason idns should be excepted from any Objection process.
Justine Chew
01:21:53
Agree with you, @Jeff on that
Sarmad Hussain
01:22:44
FYI - There are nine recommendations; Some are not covered at this time by the current discussion
Christopher Wilkinson
01:23:06
Doesn’t it depend on the scope of the original TM grant? The TM applicant has to specify how many scripts their application concerns. Corret?
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:26:53
@Christopher - the LRO existing standard is likelihood of confusion. There is some other discussion in play.
Sarmad Hussain
01:26:57
4. Second-level variant labels under IDN variant TLDs {s1, s1v1, …}.{t1, t1v1, …}registered to the same entity.
Paul McGrady
01:28:56
@Jeff, Can you say that again for us unsmart people? If they are going to be used for different reasons, what is the confusion issue about?
Paul McGrady
01:29:20
RE: variants
Steve Chan
01:31:33
This part of the SSAC comment seems to speak to your comments Jeff, about using the 2nd-level variants for different purposes: “There is no indication that PIR will market the service as causing a pair of names from a bundle to “be the same,” to “act the same,” or other phrases that would cause more significant security and stability issues.
Steve Chan
01:31:42
Sarmad, please correct me if I’m getting this all wrong :)
Sarmad Hussain
01:33:29
variants are, by definition, “same” for the script community
Paul McGrady
01:34:01
Thanks Jeff. So, we are preserving user preference. I appreciate your patience and that of the rest of the group.
Alexander Schubert
01:36:09
we also prevent traffic-leaking
Paul McGrady
01:36:29
Agree with Christopher RE: fascinating discussion.
Donna Austin, Neustar
01:37:12
Sorry all I have to drop.
Jeff Neuman (Com Laude)
01:37:19
Sure, this issue can happen in Spanish or any of the other language
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:38:00
thx for jooining @Donna...bye
Gg Levine (NABP)
01:45:10
Because there are infinite opportunities for end-user confusion, there needs to be a String Similarity Objection process.
Kristine Dorrain (Amazon Registry)
01:47:49
Apologies all, I need to jump. I know the RySG comments were largely organized on this topic by our SMEs, so feel free to reach out with any follow up questions and we'll get those answered.
Julie Bisland
01:49:25
Tuesday, 03 September 2019 at 20:00 UTC for 90 minutes.
Jim Prendergast
01:49:27
its tuesday
Julie Hedlund
01:49:28
It’s Tuesday — due to the US holiday
Emily Barabas
01:49:50
Tuesday 3 Sep at 2:00 UTC
Emily Barabas
01:49:59
sorry 20:00 UTC
Jim Prendergast
01:50:41
hand up
Justine Chew
01:51:15
I hear a chipmunk?
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:51:16
Alvin the Chipmunk?
Roger Carney
01:51:19
:)
Robin Gross
01:51:24
Alien?
Christa Taylor
01:51:25
lol
Susan Payne
01:51:27
ah that's made my night
Jim Prendergast
01:51:28
squeeky
Christa Taylor
01:51:31
Helium balloon
Julie Bisland
01:51:41
i can’t stop laughing to speak into the call
Paul McGrady
01:51:41
I speak Chipmunk. I will translate.
Jim Prendergast
01:51:50
Will the topic cover the slides steve circulated earlier this week?
Justine Chew
01:51:59
@jim, are you having a NO2 partay?
Jim Prendergast
01:52:04
on RDDS failures, DNS failures
Paul McGrady
01:52:10
@Justine - hahahaha
Jim Prendergast
01:52:13
EBERO triggering
Jim Prendergast
01:52:35
I had asked on list for the raw data behind that so if yes - can we get that
Justine Chew
01:52:38
Remnants from an earlier section
Paul McGrady
01:52:41
Thank you all for a supremely nerdy call.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:52:51
bye for now lots covered today
Jim Prendergast
01:52:54
ill email again
Robin Gross
01:52:55
Thanks Jeff and all, bye!