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Javier Rúa-Jovet
48:41
hello to all
Steve Chan
53:22
File just reviewed
Steve Chan
53:37
And file being reviewed now.
Susan Payne
57:14
where do these docs live in the wiki please?
Steve Chan
58:43
At Susan, you can find them here: https://community.icann.org/display/NGSPP/2019-06-12+New+gTLD+Subsequent+Procedures+PDP+Work+Track+5
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
59:56
PLease do refrain from inflamatory language use in your interventions
Robin Gross
01:00:24
I thought we had agreed to implement a timer on interventions.
Susan Payne
01:00:55
hand up
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:00:59
figured you might be muted
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:01:53
I was responding to Robins question @Christopher not indicating any timing issue withyour intervention per se
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:02:34
staff can we see the timer please
Robin Gross
01:02:55
Thanks, Cheryl, I thought I had seen one before so wanted to clarify what the policy is on that.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:03:06
Yes you had
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:03:41
Susan noted and please also note my warning on that in Chat earlier re use of inflamatory language
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:03:46
Thanks staff
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:03:52
re the clock
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:04:42
This tracking document od course will be revisited in each call
Greg Shatan
01:07:14
@Martin, are we way up the junction, as well?
Susan Payne
01:08:55
@Steve, thanks for the link to the tracking doc. So this is posted only on the page for a specific call? It would be really helpful if they lived in a central "documents" area since otherwise it can be hard to find after the event
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:09:49
Well noted @Susan
Steve Chan
01:11:45
@Susan, as Cheryl already said, noted. We’ll find a permanent home for the documents.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:12:06
Thanks @Steve a little AI bit an important one
David McAuley
01:12:51
Many thanks Steve and CLO - maybe make reference to the eventual URL for the compilation of docs in each agenda as well
Susan Payne
01:12:58
@Steve - thanks!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:13:23
Thanks David shall do...
Steve Chan
01:14:57
Ask and you shall received :)
Steve Chan
01:15:05
Documents added here: https://community.icann.org/x/YASbAw
Heather Forrest
01:15:18
I think it's helpful to echo Susan's earlier comment at this point -what "should" be the law is not our remit here
David McAuley
01:15:21
Wonderful, thank you Steve
Colin O'Brien
01:16:16
So who are the supposed representatives of these geographic areas? It doesn't make sense.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:17:01
We can't sanitise what people or groups have said in OC
Susan Payne
01:17:02
hijacking!
Robin Gross
01:17:09
Heather, agree. ICANN should not usurp the role of international legal institutions by creating new rights that don’t actually exist.
Susan Payne
01:17:09
we're talkk
Susan Payne
01:17:42
we're talking about legitimately held rights under internationally recognised trademark law here
Heather Forrest
01:17:45
I'm concerned that there is a misunderstanding that we are reviewing these comments with some ability or right to modify or prioritise some comments. That's not how I understood the way Martin introduced this call.
Susan Payne
01:17:59
@CLO - thanks
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:19:06
Yes @Heather I hope I was not too clumsy in what I was trying to make clear then
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:19:48
I am sure we are all going to be sensative to the sensativities around Geo Names otherwise we would not be IN a WT5 mode at all
Robin Gross
01:20:17
Indeed we cannot be misrepresenting what commenters have said.
Heather Forrest
01:20:22
it's not our right to change the comments of others
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:20:32
Deffinatly @Robin!
Heather Forrest
01:20:35
not on the fly (ie right now) or later
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:20:41
and @Heather
Steve Chan
01:20:52
All, this summary document is not intended to make a judgment on the comments submitted by the public. Determining whether the comments should be taken on board is for the WT5 members to determine.
Greg Shatan
01:21:00
@Heather, we have one or two members who have a misunderstanding of this point in the process.
Steve Chan
01:21:08
It’s exactly that - a summary document.
Heather Forrest
01:21:14
@Cheryl - thanks, I understood your comment, very helpful
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:21:17
Yes @Steve more articularly written than I managed to say... Thanks
Andrea Glandon
01:25:39
We have someone who joined with the last 3 digits of 998, we need to identify this person.
Javier Rúa-Jovet
01:26:46
That is the scope @Greg
Dev Anand Teelucksingh
01:29:01
Just something I noted in reviewing the text - the "UNESCO region" URL in the 2012 applicant guidebook http://www.unesco.org/new/en/unesco/worldwide/ is no longer live - so an updated URL needs to found
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:29:38
Noted Dev thanks @Staff can explore that as an AI
Andrea Glandon
01:31:38
Thank you!
Dev Anand Teelucksingh
01:32:29
Similiarily, the M49 area URL in the 2012 AGB http://unstats.un.org/unsd/methods/m49/m49regin.htm redirects to https://unstats.un.org/unsd/methodology/m49/ so perhaps this URL should be used instead
Katrin Ohlmer
01:35:25
sure - if you have den-haag the city might want to have denhaag
Katrin Ohlmer
01:35:56
so it is really a small addition like the red cross and IOC addition
Colin O'Brien
01:36:24
Seems reasonable and fair
Javier Rúa-Jovet
01:40:48
Interesting conversation
jaap
01:41:11
Countries are changing scripts but keep the language the same. Sigh
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO3)
01:41:34
I hear you Jaap
Jim Prendergast
01:42:00
apologies but need to move to another call.
Javier Rúa-Jovet
01:42:09
Timer's up.
Katrin Ohlmer
01:42:09
As geoTLD group we support the notion to have the capital city name protected in all languages, but as a compromise we support to move forward as suggested with the small edit - also "in any language" seems to be quite hard to implement.
Heather Forrest
01:42:19
Apologies, all - I too have to drop for the GNSO DT call
jaap
01:42:40
Need to move to another meeting, but the whole language problem is making things really more complicated at all
Javier Rúa-Jovet
01:42:46
Thanks for attending @Heather.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO3)
01:43:04
noted Jaap
jaap
01:43:05
Bye for know
Katrin Ohlmer
01:43:22
@jaap: that is why we made our proposal
Javier Rúa-Jovet
01:43:28
Goodbye @Jaap. Thanks for your input.
David McAuley
01:43:47
I have to leave as well in a moment - best wishes to all here
Javier Rúa-Jovet
01:44:20
Bye @David
Marita Moll
01:49:48
@Martin -- good suggestions. Try not to reinvent the wheel
Greg Shatan
01:51:23
Is that necessary at a policy level, Kavouss?
Marita Moll
01:52:10
Sorry, have to leave now for another engagement
abdulkarim (Akay) Oloyede
01:52:39
There is always an official language in countries with multiple languages.
christopher wilkinson
01:53:02
@ kavrouss - +1 external advice on languages and scripts
abdulkarim (Akay) Oloyede
01:54:18
I think the advise needed would be on the technicality of having diffrent languages.
Dev Anand Teelucksingh
01:54:19
Had stepped away and just rejoined - re: languages - I mentioned on the last call perhaps ISO 639 could provide a longer list https://www.iso.org/iso-639-language-codes.html - The codes aren't public however
Greg Shatan
01:54:25
The USA has no official language.
Katrin Ohlmer
01:55:44
Germany has an official language ;-)
abdulkarim (Akay) Oloyede
01:56:20
@Greg I would say its English
Javier Rúa-Jovet
01:56:45
I like lists.
Greg Shatan
01:57:06
Not officially, @abdulkarim.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO3)
01:57:22
lists 3rd party ones in particular are useful indeed
Greg Shatan
01:57:42
This is actually a sensitive subject, politically, in the USA.
christopher wilkinson
01:57:44
@scope: Let’s address he BIG issues in CJK, India. SE Asia. If we can solve those, then look at smaller issues.
abdulkarim (Akay) Oloyede
01:58:46
it can be official or most spoken language in a country
Javier Rúa-Jovet
01:59:21
Maybe more on mail?
Katrin Ohlmer
02:03:00
@Martin: Will provide a new link
Katrin Ohlmer
02:03:13
will do so
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO3)
02:05:08
thanks @Katrin
Susan Payne
02:08:53
@Christopher no such obligation exists - that's what we are here discussing
Robin Gross
02:09:26
Christopher, your proposal does not include any balancing of competing legitimate interests.
Susan Payne
02:10:15
+1Greg
christopher wilkinson
02:11:04
@Robin the competing interests have many alternatives, the geographical location does not.
Robin Gross
02:11:55
Multi-stakeholder policy, by definition should include consideration of other legitimate interests, including free expression and trademark rights, for example.
Susan Payne
02:12:31
@Christopher, even amongst geographic locations the same name is often used in multiple countries and multiple times within a single country.
christopher wilkinson
02:13:40
@ Robin: I do not understand your freedom of expression argument. Regarding trademark rights, a national or regional right does not emend to a global monopoly as a TLD
Javier Rúa-Jovet
02:15:52
Not on my side.
Javier Rúa-Jovet
02:15:57
Thanks Martin
abdulkarim (Akay) Oloyede
02:16:35
bye