Brian, can you at some point guide us through how Issue 7 evolved from the community saying ICANN is too difficult and impenetrable into being about governmental intervention (as is outlined in the pdf)?

Thanks @Mark. We’ve shared the question with Brian. He may want to address when he gets to Issue 7 in the presentation.

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@Cheryl, yes, but I was talking about AC/SOlevel work.

Excellent!!

I lost zoom briefly sorry

I agree that the possible solutions listed are not really solutions in my mind.

they are just avenues to bring new people in but not a way to get people more engaged

I think Respect is very important and should not be overlooked

I think it is the last two

Perhaps some out of the box thinking where perhaps Fellowshop recipients and Next Gen or new Leadership need to work accross ALL parts of ICANN in a mini apprentice or journeyman period before settling n somewhweer

settling in somewhere

Cheryl, often that ends up happening as part of the journey of trying to fit in, but adopting it as a core value would be good.

There is a distinct presumption im MANY cases that those with who you do not agree PRESUME that you have no knowledge of their needs, not care about their needs.

not = nor

Empathy is often in short supply.

@Tom, even when it IS there, it is presumed not to be.

There is a STRONG reluctance to make scope changes.

Sub. Proc is *THE* example where we have put ourselves in the kettle of oil!

by wide scoping.

What will work well for SPec Reviews will NOT work for PDPs

Exactly Allan scoping has to be fot for purpose

I agree with alan here

Deffinatly Alan

If there are no consequences for failing to reach consensus (other than starting again) the problem will not go away.

maybe as u mentioned, the combination of ICANN org, board, and community should make an agreed upon protocol for consensus and other community interactions

How will you work the next session

Thanks Brian and everyone, lots more to do of course but we continue on...

will it cover the next topics?

Too bad participant/Staff ration on this call is so low.

Thank you

keeping the conversation going *is* essential

@Alan, agree, please do reach out to your communities and stakeholders to join the next call, and / or listen to the recording.

thank you all!

thank you. bye