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Terri Agnew's Personal Meeting Room - Shared screen with speaker view
Julie Bisland
31:48
Welcome to the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group call on Thursday, 05 March 2020 at 20:00 UTC.
Jamie Baxter
33:05
I updated my SOI last week
Maxim Alzoba
36:17
is there a way to grant pdp members
Maxim Alzoba
36:32
zoom seats during the sessions of the pdp?
Julie Hedlund
36:32
We will send a message with the agendas and time slots with links to the wiki and schedule to the WG
Maxim Alzoba
37:46
Jeff, please see my question up there
Julie Hedlund
38:11
See the link at: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kUlmZH8nxWTgfcRluA5FxLheMm4XhhOwkRt7om52aQU/edit?usp=sharing
Maxim Alzoba
38:38
to avoid situation were we face - please wait banner
Annebeth Lange
38:46
There is some background noise here
Maxim Alzoba
39:14
it would be great to investigate that in advance
Emily Barabas
39:17
Is the question whether the zoom room will be open to all?
Maxim Alzoba
39:41
privilege to have granted seats
Maxim Alzoba
39:50
ok, it is no
Susan Payne
39:56
how many people can it hold
Donna Austin, Neustar
39:58
I think what Maxim is getting to is that some virtual rooms have limits.
Kristine Dorrain (Amazon Registry)
40:00
So there is no "seat at the table" as in a real room.
Steve Chan
40:03
Which for context, is no different than how an open F2F session is run.
Maxim Alzoba
40:22
so far I found the only wY to log in earlier
Maxim Alzoba
40:32
in 5 min or so
Maxim Alzoba
40:42
ok
Julie Hedlund
41:27
See the link at: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kUlmZH8nxWTgfcRluA5FxLheMm4XhhOwkRt7om52aQU/edit?usp=sharing
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
41:52
Thx @Julie
Alexander Schubert
44:47
If an application is specifying a sunrise period - it should be forced to execute such rollout phase.
Alexander Schubert
45:12
ok
Maxim Alzoba
48:11
also GEOs are dependent on cities and those have long approval cycles...
Alexander Schubert
48:38
Not so much warehousing - but "blocking".
Maxim Alzoba
51:17
it will just lead to creation of new legal bodies
Paul McGrady
51:43
. no support.
Kristine Dorrain (Amazon Registry)
52:23
@Christopher, how will you police this?
Maxim Alzoba
52:41
I think we should stick to charter
Paul McGrady
52:43
@Christopher - there is nothing prohibiting new entrants from participating in this process
Maxim Alzoba
52:59
and not to invent single member veto idea
Annebeth Lange
53:27
It is very easy to go around a rule like this. We have experience from that from national domains.
Kathy Kleiman
53:27
Christopher makes a very good one point.
Kristine Dorrain (Amazon Registry)
53:34
Thanks for your opinion. Nol
Maxim Alzoba
53:41
there is no forced abstention in the charter
Paul McGrady
53:41
I wonder if its possible to not attack any particular perspn or party while trying to make points
Kathy Kleiman
53:48
And one that has been shared many times -- concern about the Global South and new participants
Donna Austin, Neustar
54:12
the multi-stakeholder model encourages participation by all
Kathy Kleiman
54:36
Is the prioritization of IDNs now included?
Kristine Dorrain (Amazon Registry)
54:58
+1 Jeff. Also, many of us learned valulable lessons and are trying to make it better for the next round of participants.
Kristine Dorrain (Amazon Registry)
55:05
Those who do not learn from history and all that...
Donna Austin, Neustar
55:31
At least we know who Kristine represents.
Susan Payne
55:46
+1 Donna!!
Maxim Alzoba
56:45
with lack of definition of global South it is hard
christopher wilkinson
57:10
@Donna the MSM is failing to take account of the under-represented stakeholders.
Kathy Kleiman
57:41
hands are raised
Donna Austin, Neustar
58:02
@Christopher, with all due respect that is a bigger issue for the ICANN community to address and not one that should restrict participation by anyone on this WG.
Maxim Alzoba
58:04
@Cristopher, I think we should not conflate under presentation and lack of support
Annebeth Lange
59:17
In Norway, under .no, we have a quota (only 100 domains under .no for each organisation). What is done then, is to establish a new legal entity to circumvent it. So it is very difficult to avoid that those that should not have more domains, if we have a rule like that, not get it. I am sympathetic with Christopher here, but it is not doable, I am afraid.
Anne Aikman-Scalese
59:22
Maybe make sure to ask for the Minority Statement on this one?
Maxim Alzoba
01:00:21
it could be reflected as 'some group members.. ' text
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:00:59
What about idns and priority?
Emily Barabas
01:01:37
correct
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:02:05
Is that an issue for discussion with the GAC or no?
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:02:47
Thanks Jeff
Maxim Alzoba
01:02:58
do we expect ICANN Compliance items during today meeting?
christopher wilkinson
01:03:50
@ Donna - I am reaching the conclusion that the incumbent interests should recuse themselves from the PDP debate.
Maxim Alzoba
01:05:26
@Cristopher, is there anything about incumbent interests in GNSO documents? if no, then not necessarily
Donna Austin, Neustar
01:06:44
@christopher, personally I find that suggestion offensive given that I have participated in this effort for the past four years and done my best to be constructive in doing so. I don't make it a secret that I represent Neustar, but that doesn't mean that my contribution is any less valuable than yours.
Kristine Dorrain (Amazon Registry)
01:07:32
+1 Donna.
Justine Chew
01:07:43
+1 Donna
Tom Dale
01:08:08
+1 Donna
Justine Chew
01:08:19
Because generality is subject to interpretation
Paul McGrady
01:08:24
+1 Donna.
Maxim Alzoba
01:08:43
or misinterpretation
martinsutton
01:10:17
+1 Donna
Paul McGrady
01:11:18
Who pushed for this text in the first place? Kinda awkward for people who didn't push for it to have to make it more specific. Can anyone claim the language and come up wth some thoughts on how to make it more specific?
Steve Chan
01:13:04
I would just add that I have the link to what I think is the most recent Contractual Compliance dashboard.
Steve Chan
01:13:11
If it makes sense to take at least a glance.
Maxim Alzoba
01:13:38
please do not forget ICANN self generated cases because of lack of grounds
Maxim Alzoba
01:13:54
closed because of lack of grounds
Maxim Alzoba
01:14:33
such statistics was shared during gdd summit in Madrid
Steve Chan
01:15:18
Here is the link: https://features.icann.org/compliance/dashboard/2020/0120/report
Maxim Alzoba
01:15:23
lots of cases for registries and registrars (in%of all cases)
Susan Payne
01:16:29
so we need to identify what it is that we want to be included in the compliance reports - whether or not already there. Because probably there is more data now than when the WT looked at this, but we also don't want to lose data later that is currently shared because we don't specifiy it as beiong a requirement.
Donna Austin, Neustar
01:17:40
AGree Susan
Maxim Alzoba
01:18:10
lots of confidential information might be a reason for lack of details
Christa Taylor
01:19:23
So we're asking for information and insights to be provided based on the data
Justine Chew
01:21:57
@Maxim, confidential information such as?
Maxim Alzoba
01:22:58
details of security measures e. t. c. and items which are confidential under contacts
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:23:58
I defer to Greg Shatan's comments on this section as he is co-leading the IPC "kitchen cabinet" on Sub Pro.
Susan Payne
01:24:40
@Christopher, I think if you re-read this section you'll see that there are no recommendations here, regarding trademarks or any other names. Not my viewpoint, but the outcome of the WG
Justine Chew
01:28:54
Monitoring of complaints filed also? Leading to identification of a pattern.
Maxim Alzoba
01:29:01
I think reopening items in a pdp is not a very good idea
Christa Taylor
01:29:02
Perhaps a few extra words on B might help clarify, '...believes that by providing additional information and insights gathered from the data on the activities..."
christopher wilkinson
01:29:28
@Susan, but there should have been recommendations. Not even against premium pricing for trademarks?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:30:39
All good
Paul McGrady
01:31:58
Sears Tower Time
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:32:00
Thanks everyone and we appreciate in advance the additional efforts many of you will be making to juggle this virtual ICANN67 and your other commitments... More (lots more ;-) Next Week! Bye for now...
Paul McGrady
01:32:09
Yes, it is. By the Faithful
Greg Shatan
01:32:19
McGrady Time!
martinsutton
01:32:29
Thx all - bye
Annebeth Lange
01:32:31
Thanks, have a nice weekend
Maxim Alzoba
01:32:32
see you all in zoom
christopher wilkinson
01:32:35
What time UTC on Monday?
Maxim Alzoba
01:32:35
bye
Greg Shatan
01:32:37
bye
Tom Dale
01:32:37
See you at the virtual Gala