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Michelle DeSmyter's Personal Meeting Room - Shared screen with speaker view
Sue Schuler
23:28
Welcome to the meeting of the DAAR Discussion Group. Please announce your name before speaking for purposes of the transcript. Please mute your microphone when not speaking to help maintain sound quality. thanks
J.C. Vignes (Uniregistry)
36:44
Sorry Mute didn’t work, it’s on now :)
J.C. Vignes (Uniregistry)
37:02
and unsurprisingly, I vocally agree with Kristine
Sam Demetriou
37:29
Yup, pretty sure that was at the heart of Rick’s concerns
Kurt Pritz
39:55
Restricted by RA provision or would this include registries with self-imposed restrictions?
Kristine Dorrain (Amazon Registry)
40:39
Initially, i'm thinking either. Thoughts?
Kristine Dorrain (Amazon Registry)
41:19
another way to think about it is: TLDs that attempt to limit abuse by policies and specifications vs TLDs that focus more on reacting quickly to abuse when it happens.
Kristine Dorrain (Amazon Registry)
42:13
the point is not to say that "preventative" vs "reactive" mitigation is better....it can show BOTH work in the right circumstances.,
Kristine Dorrain (Amazon Registry)
42:55
It avoids the temptation to have a one-size-fits-all solution.
Kristine Dorrain (Amazon Registry)
43:18
Which we're all keen to avoid (from last week's call)
Kurt Pritz
44:24
Restrictions in Restricted TLDs is not necessarily designed to curtail abuse, restrictions are meant to provide value to their registrants. Too provide exclusivity. I want to be careful about defining the purpose of restrictions is to prevent abuse.
Kurt Pritz
44:52
* “to provide exclusivity”
James Galvin (Afilias)
45:15
Good point Kurt. Messaging is key.
James Galvin (Afilias)
45:36
It could be that exclusivity includes not having abuse!
Kurt Pritz
49:31
“There are two ways to attack abuse: prevention and mitigation. There is a place for each and DAAR (or some other metric) should be designed to measure the effectiveness of each. While prevention through restrictions might be effective, it also comes with costs: limitations on speech, availability of domains to certain populations, cost to registrants. So we need to make both prevention and mitigations effective.”
Kurt Pritz
50:24
— hypothesis to be proven
Kurt Pritz
52:15
@John C: re: genius idea vs not. This bicameral division is not an end but a first step that will invite the next step in analysis - in both open and restricted.
Kristine Dorrain (Amazon Registry)
52:55
Agree with both Kurt. I like the idea of a working hypothesis that we can prove/disprove.
Kristine Dorrain (Amazon Registry)
54:51
Samaneh, I'd love to get your thoughts on Kurt's hypothesis...
Kristine Dorrain (Amazon Registry)
55:02
(if you're willing) - not to put you on the spot.
samaneh.tajali
01:02:57
we have not found a good way yet to capture mitigation from where we stand
James Galvin (Afilias)
01:08:43
tracking mitigation is an operational issue. i assume that ICANN would take appropriate data and track it for reporting purposes. so the question is to registries (and registrars) as to what data we could provide and how to provide it.
Sam Demetriou
01:15:12
I know I kind of mentioned this last week, but I’m in strong agreement with Jim here
Donna Austin, Neustar
01:18:05
Thanks all, I need to drop off for another call.
Kurt Pritz
01:19:40
@ Kristine Thanks to Amazon for picking the greatest song ever for their holiday promotions. Did you play a role in that selection? Have a great holiday everyone.
Sam Demetriou
01:19:53
Big thanks to Kristine and Jim for their excellent leadership
James Galvin (Afilias)
01:20:10
thanks all!
J.C. Vignes (Uniregistry)
01:20:11
Happy holidays, thanks to all for your efforts!