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Work Stream 2 Community Coordination Group - Shared screen with speaker view
Mary Wong - ICANN Org
33:23
I'll log off and back on again
Devan Reed - ICANN Org
34:10
Please review ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior here: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2016-06-28-en
Ashley Heineman - RrSG Chair / GoDaddy
35:29
You are at the ICADC office! I should come join you in that pretty conference room. :-)
Ashley Heineman - RrSG Chair / GoDaddy
35:40
*ICANN. :-)
Ashley Heineman - RrSG Chair / GoDaddy
36:01
*ICANN DC. Freaking key board.
Sarah Kiden (ALAC)
37:15
It's a good starting point
Giacomo Mazzone
37:25
+1 Sarah
Ashley Heineman - RrSG Chair / GoDaddy
37:43
agree if we aren't expected to meet all these categories in all instances.
Melissa Peters Allgood - ICANN Org
38:07
Ashley - you are setting up the next conversation.
Dave Kissoondoyal (ICANN ALAC)
38:53
Sorry got disconnected
Pam Little, RrSG
44:05
One of the GAC's additional proposed elements was: 8.Diversity of resources for meaningful participation3: Diversity is not only determined by geographic and linguistic matters for instance, but also by the economic availability of resources that could have a very large impact on access to ICANN services (e.g internet connectivity)or by the diversity of expectations. Digital divide, for instance, can exist within the same geographic area, language and age groups, but canalso be determined by an economic and cultural dimension. The concept of “Meaningful connectivity” as defined by UNSG Roadmap for Digital Cooperation is helpful in conceptualizing this kind of diversity.
Vanda Scartezini - Brazil
44:59
agree with you PAM
Ashley Heineman - RrSG Chair / GoDaddy
45:21
But Pam is more of an expert on the subject matter!
Sarah Kiden (ALAC)
45:43
@Sebastien, I'm curious to hear why you think gender is not a diversity issue? I
Bachollet Sebastien - Euralo
46:54
@Sarah it is mainly a question of equality
Jonathan Zuck
48:28
I guess I would say that size and business model or two different thing.
Ashley Heineman - RrSG Chair / GoDaddy
49:24
Pam has hit on the head a very important aspect of diversity in our particular group. We are SO varied in terms of types of business that it is a real challenge to make sure... even just within our stakeholder group... to make sure we are truly reflective of our broad interests.
Giacomo Mazzone
50:47
sorry i lost the connection. now i am back.
Alfredo Calderon
55:17
Skillset for the 7 key foundational areas are important. But in some instances specific skills are needed to do the work or meet the charter of the WG. At this point I agree with the 7 areas.
Mary Wong - ICANN Org
58:37
To Melissa’s point, one question that occurred to us as staff was whether all groups believe they have both a clear (objective) understanding as well as a shared understanding as to what each of the seven elements means.
Mary Wong - ICANN Org
59:41
Since, in order to go forward with implementing Recommendation 1 overall, that understanding seems to be key - especially in identifying any gaps or challenges that your group may have in implementing a specific element (which Ashley, Pam and others have noted on the call already).
Vanda Scartezini - Brazil
01:04:39
Mary , i believe some of us have a clear and objective definition but could be interesting to listen other colleagues here about their uderstanding
Mary Wong - ICANN Org
01:05:12
@Vanda, thank you - that is what we thought might be a useful point to share!
Giacomo Mazzone
01:06:25
for example the lack of IDN tld is a problem for ICANN credibility.... there we we are exactly talking of diversity...
Ashley Heineman - RrSG Chair / GoDaddy
01:06:44
Good point!
Ashley Heineman - RrSG Chair / GoDaddy
01:08:54
We agree I believe on what "diversity" is, but what are we trying to achieve with respect to that definition? IE: absolute representation/inclusion? ensuring we aren't discriminating? IE: ensure that everyone has the opportunity or forcing adherence to having representation from all 7 groups? I'm assuming that we do our best to ensure everyone has the same opportunity, but we can't force representation.
Sarah Kiden (ALAC)
01:09:49
That's helpful, Jonathan
Ashley Heineman - RrSG Chair / GoDaddy
01:13:29
perhaps it would help if you could articulate what kind of assistance they could provide?
Mary Wong - ICANN Org
01:14:55
They were engaged to be subject matter experts to assist with implementation (as Melissa is describing), within the context and confines of the seven elements in Rec 1.1.
Mary Wong - ICANN Org
01:15:31
They are also working in parallel with org staff to develop the toolkit (Rec 1.6) that each community group can use to assess its diversity and develop a strategy to address gaps identified.
Giacomo Mazzone
01:19:09
#Mary : would be important and useful to know the background and the field of expertise of these "matter experts". have been our recommendations considered ? are they "diverse" enough ? and enough skilled in diversity ?
Julie Hammer
01:21:25
Sincere apologies…I set my alarm for the wrong time!!!
Pam Little, RrSG
01:22:01
Welcome, Julie
Mary Wong - ICANN Org
01:23:07
@Giacomo, we conducted a formal Request for Proposals and interviewed a number of qualified experts that responded to it. We can provide you with more information about the consultant, to the extent we haven't yet. We have also been careful to let all candidates know that the scope of work currently is to assist the community with implementing the specific WS2 recommendations and not re-open the CCWG discussions about diversity.
Giacomo Mazzone
01:26:05
i think could be useful to get these info, in order to better understand what we can reasonably expect from them. to make a concrete example, we cannot expect that The Economist could understand what are the needs of an indigenous community: I'm sure you know what i mean.
Sam Demetriou
01:27:57
I think Julie's framing makes a lot of sense
Sarah Kiden (ALAC)
01:28:13
+1 the framing makes sense
Robert Carolina - RSSAC
01:29:20
It would be helpful to see the framing written up so that we can assure ourselves of common understanding and consider it between meetings.
Mary Wong - ICANN Org
01:29:37
@Giacomo, absolutely - and that seems to be what Pam, Julie and many of you are saying in relation to the fact that implementation will be different for different groups. As such, we thought that making sure all groups have the same understanding of each element, and then seeing whether and how it can implement each element, made sense - and the consultant can first assist with making sure there is that understanding as to which element means, as well as work with staff to assist those groups that identify any gaps with their inplementation.
Mary Wong - ICANN Org
01:29:51
@Robert, we'll take that as an action item.
Robert Carolina - RSSAC
01:30:24
@Mary - thank you!
Lawrence Olawale-Roberts (MicroBoss)
01:32:02
That works
Giacomo Mazzone
01:32:09
seems a good synthesis. thank you.
Sarah Kiden (ALAC)
01:32:09
Thank you everyone!
Pam Little, RrSG
01:32:18
Thanks all.
Alfredo Calderon
01:32:22
Stay well and safe! Great day.
Lawrence Olawale-Roberts (MicroBoss)
01:32:23
Thanks all
Dave Kissoondoyal (ICANN ALAC)
01:32:31
Thanks and bye to all