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IDNs EPDP Charter Drafting Team - Shared screen with speaker view
Nathalie Peregrine
31:31
Please review ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior here: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2016-06-28-en.
Ariel Liang
33:00
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-f9Ml-z9LcxVs9WuX53kIkp29j0JLh6d/edit
Maxim Alzoba
41:01
it is the only PDP in the list :)
Edmon Chung - APrIGF Secretariat
46:05
i believe it is a boiler plate also
Maxim Alzoba
47:10
ODP is on ICANN’s side, so we do not add it here
Maxim Alzoba
49:01
PDP provides recommendations
Maxim Alzoba
49:06
that is it
Maxim Alzoba
49:23
before the implementation
Ariel Liang
49:42
I think that would be the “Implementation Guidance” for the IRT?
Steve Chan
49:47
The GNSO Operating Procedures include at least: “The PDP Team should carefully consider the budgetary impacts, implementability, and/or feasibility of its proposed information requests and/or subsequentrecommendations.” It might make sense to make the language a little more general.
Jeffrey Neuman
51:06
@Steve - right.
Jeffrey Neuman
51:16
So it is not an IRT, but the PDP WG itself
Edmon Chung - APrIGF Secretariat
51:21
the PDP WG should be very highlevel and the IRT would have more details
Jeffrey Neuman
51:58
@Edmon - Yes. The theory is that the Council needs that information before approving it
Jeffrey Neuman
52:03
[As does the Board]
Edmon Chung - APrIGF Secretariat
52:25
agree
Steve Chan
53:27
Under deliverables, it could just say at a minimum?
Ariel Liang
53:33
Yeah
Ariel Liang
53:38
We can make that revision
Steve Chan
53:54
B/c draft Final Report is noted as optional in the Ops Procedures.
Ariel Liang
54:43
https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/annex-4-epdp-manual-24oct19-en.pdf
Edmon Chung - APrIGF Secretariat
55:41
from what i understand and what i see from the link its mostly focused on the initial report
Edmon Chung - APrIGF Secretariat
55:44
i mean the difference
Edmon Chung - APrIGF Secretariat
56:08
yes as jeff said, its just same as pdp manual
Steve Chan
56:27
For the avoidance of doubt, the following sections of the PDP Manual shall not apply to an EPDP:Section 2 (Requesting an Issue Report);Section 4 (Recommended Format of Issue Report Requests);Section 5 (Creation of the Preliminary Issue Report);Section 6 (Public Comment on the Preliminary Issue Report); andSection 7 (Initiation of the PDP)Except as otherwise expressly modified or excluded herein, all other provisions of the PDP Manual shallapply in full to an EPDP, including without limitation the publication of an Initial Report for publiccomments. In the event of a conflict in relation to an EPDP between the provisions of the PDP Manualand the specific provisions in this EPDP Manual, the provisions herein shall prevail.
Steve Chan
56:37
Bad cut and paste job, but here is some relevant text
Steve Chan
57:12
….from the EPDP Process Manual
Jeffrey Neuman
59:42
Yeah, the naming is messed up. It really should be a PDP Manual with an Annex on ePDPs. The reality is that there are many sections of the PDP Manual that are incorporated by reference into the "ePDP Manual", so they need to read both anyway
Jeffrey Neuman
01:01:52
I kind of agree with Maxim. I think we should make it clear that we seek experts from the Registrars to help us answer these questions.
Maxim Alzoba
01:02:25
also ‘same registrant’ does not allow to fully understand if it is all entities … so it should be just same entity
Maxim Alzoba
01:02:28
new hand
Maxim Alzoba
01:05:20
ROIDs are too deep inside of the platforms
Dennis Tan
01:05:37
Agreed, Maxim
Edmon Chung - APrIGF Secretariat
01:05:37
i thought this is what we task staff to do to provide to the WG?
Maxim Alzoba
01:05:43
and potentially interfere with GDPR (identification of a person)
Maxim Alzoba
01:06:23
I support Jeff in this
Tomslin Samme-Nlar
01:06:31
I agree with Jeff that the WG should determine what data is needed
Maxim Alzoba
01:07:39
new hand
Steve Chan
01:08:18
*Might* be needed is a good way to describe it. It’s not intended to be limiting, but it’s an attempt to set the EPDP for success from the start.
Tomslin Samme-Nlar
01:08:47
Could be helpful to recommend data that the WG might need but let the WG to determine the data they will ultimately use
Maxim Alzoba
01:09:18
ROIDs here are tied with the personal data, we do not need to mix the current endless EPDP here
Maxim Alzoba
01:10:01
it will add a really toxic item to the PDP
Edmon Chung - APrIGF Secretariat
01:11:09
i agree with jeff
Dennis Tan
01:11:20
Not defending the data point here, Maxim. But the ROID question here is qualitative: do you reuse it or not, and it is not seeking to disclose contact data behind the ID
Maxim Alzoba
01:13:57
@Dennis, it is closed info, Registriars do not have to share it, it gives out info, which might be abused
Jeffrey Neuman
01:14:51
I still believe that it should be included as a Deliverable. I read the PM section, but it is unclear as to what is expected.
Maxim Alzoba
01:14:59
if the burden of proof of the same entity is on the entity - we do not need to check ROIDs e.t.c.
Maxim Alzoba
01:16:49
something like ‘what technical methods could be used to establish the same entity - in the same Registrar system, across different Registrar’s systems (the latter is toxic from the GDPR perspective though)
Maxim Alzoba
01:18:49
old
Jeffrey Neuman
01:18:51
If the Council expects a Work Plan to be delivered to it, then perhaps that should be included as a "Deliverable". The other PM elements are not Deliverables from the Working Group, but are tools to manage the process. I would remove the Placeholder text completely under the Project Management section
Jeffrey Neuman
01:19:28
Dennis, I don't think you need to read these. I think we can move on
Dennis Tan
01:21:18
I read this one minute too late :)
Maxim Alzoba
01:23:23
one couple of scripts which are variants is enough
Maxim Alzoba
01:24:59
new hand
Maxim Alzoba
01:25:52
new
Maxim Alzoba
01:29:06
open part of group is free to organize itself
Maxim Alzoba
01:30:23
attendance and/or participation is an obligation of WG members
Maxim Alzoba
01:30:38
see you all at ICANN70 zooms
Maxim Alzoba
01:30:47
thanks all
Ariel Liang
01:31:15
Thanks everybody!
Edmon Chung - APrIGF Secretariat
01:31:16
thx bye