051040040 New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group call
Please review ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior here: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2016-06-28-en.
Aplogise for my late arrival
We can hear you, Jeff
Sorry I have no audio atm I will reconnect
@Jeff and Cheryl: the GAC has not requested for an extension and is working to submit the comment by the deadline.
absolutely @Jim but we also have tight timing as described
Normal?? I looked at the comment period prior to this and to be honest I could not make any sense of it. I wasn’t sure what comments were tagged to which questions. Was very confusing. Not sure the community is well served by this comment vehicle. My head actually hurt after trying to view it. I hope you are on point when you say staff can work with this,
Believe it or not, this is much easier for us to work with.
Unstructured PDF is definitely NOT easier :)
No donut charts please
Donut charts are hidden product placement from an specific registry
No food shaped charts at all we promise!
Monday, 14 September 2020 at 20:00 UTC for 90 minutes
You’re on a solid ground…this time Jeff
@Jeff, useful for us to get the slides in advance, thanks so much to staff.
If you want to look at the proposals on your own screen, you can view here: https://www.icann.org/public-comments/gnso-new-gtld-subsequent-draft-final-report-2020-08-20-en
Oops, wrong link: https://community.icann.org/display/NGSPP/Proposals+Included+in+Draft+Final+Report
@George - no one should apologize for having a successful personal and professional life :)
Sorry to join late
Ok, after George, Avri and Marc :)
Sorry, that comment was meant for another chat on displaying something :)
@Marc - defining public interest might actually be easier than defining "lack of intent to operate a registry" or any of the other "factors" in the auctions section of the report.
Can I respond?
@Marc - I will see if George wants to add anything and then go back to you
All - This is a great discussion and is actually bridging the first 2 of the 3 "proposals"
in response to somethin George said- closed generics could be a loss leader for a category killer term so don't assume making $$$$ is a motivator.
Sincere apologies for such a late arrival - I had overlapping meetings today
Just want to remind everyone were all here for spirited but not personally critical debate
this is indeed a complex matter
if it was not... … … … well it would not be the issue it is
It may be possible to developed standards for a Public Interest Closed Generic that is more limited in the scope of the definition than the overall definition of Global Public Interest..
Available here: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/langdon-orr-neuman-to-botterman-20aug20-en.pdf
Good point, Anne. One standard for every possible use does seen unreachable relative to sectoral guidelines.
I'm trying to wrap my head around feasible recourse avenue(s) if harm indeed resulted from allowing a closed generic TLD. Especially if some sort of guardrails aren't provided for in the RA.
I still think public interest standards are unworkable and will result in years of dispute. Lack of meaningful standards is in institutional problem with ICANN and we should not continue this
If public interest goals should apply to closed generics then they should apply to all new gTLDs. Whay
Why should closed generics be singled out?
Can anyone let me know why every TLD should not have a public interest goal?
one outstanding question in my mind is if this group decides that closed generics should be allowed, would that also apply to 2012 delegated TLDs? we've always operated under the assumption that this is a forward looking group so I think this is an important question for those that were concerned with 2012 round closed generics.
I don’t think Jeff said “totally” subjective....
There certainly will be subjectivity of the panelists in the "ranking"
@Jim, there were no 2012 round delegated closed generics. There are still some 2012 applications that are essentially in limbo. Are you asking whether current gTLDs could become closed in the future?
Subjectivity abounds (at some level) in ALL the existing evaluation panels.
Time Check @Jeff coming up to the last 5 mins
Agree with Greg that forward looking only
Thanks for all the efforts being made on this important issue
Marc, thank you for ending on a Kumbaya moment....
maybe next call we can take some 2012 applications and put them to the test. that focuses the mind and arguments.
Wed 14 Oct at 14:00-15:30 and 16:00-17:00
Laxmi Prasad Yadav
good morning everyone. sorry for delay
Sorry, those times were in Hamburg Time
12:00-13:30 and 14:00-15:00 UTC
@steve Is that the ICANN meeting or the week before?
the week for AC SO work
Thursday, 17 September 2020 at 15:00 UTC for 90 minutes
Yes, please! On CPE Guidelines I mean,
if the October calendar items haven't gone out, can they ASAP?
Jim, we are working on the calendar
Bye for now then Thanks for joining and all the great discussion today...