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051040040 New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group call
Andrea Glandon
38:29
Please review ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior here: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2016-06-28-en.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
40:10
Aplogise for my late arrival
Andrea Glandon
48:18
We can hear you, Jeff
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
50:11
Sorry I have no audio atm I will reconnect
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
51:29
back
Benedetta Rossi
51:45
@Jeff and Cheryl: the GAC has not requested for an extension and is working to submit the comment by the deadline.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
53:27
absolutely @Jim but we also have tight timing as described
Jim Prendergast
57:50
Normal?? I looked at the comment period prior to this and to be honest I could not make any sense of it. I wasn’t sure what comments were tagged to which questions. Was very confusing. Not sure the community is well served by this comment vehicle. My head actually hurt after trying to view it. I hope you are on point when you say staff can work with this,
Steve Chan
58:57
Believe it or not, this is much easier for us to work with.
Steve Chan
59:11
Unstructured PDF is definitely NOT easier :)
Justine Chew
01:00:03
No donut charts please
Greg Shatan
01:00:27
Bagel charts?
Rubens Kuhl
01:00:34
Donut charts are hidden product placement from an specific registry
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:01:03
No food shaped charts at all we promise!
Steve Chan
01:03:10
Monday, 14 September 2020 at 20:00 UTC for 90 minutes
Steve Chan
01:07:55
You’re on a solid ground…this time Jeff
Justine Chew
01:08:03
@Jeff, useful for us to get the slides in advance, thanks so much to staff.
Steve Chan
01:10:17
If you want to look at the proposals on your own screen, you can view here: https://www.icann.org/public-comments/gnso-new-gtld-subsequent-draft-final-report-2020-08-20-en
Steve Chan
01:10:34
Oops, wrong link: https://community.icann.org/display/NGSPP/Proposals+Included+in+Draft+Final+Report
Jeffrey Neuman
01:10:43
@George - no one should apologize for having a successful personal and professional life :)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:11:01
indeed!
Marc Trachtenberg
01:12:01
Sorry to join late
Jeffrey Neuman
01:23:03
Ok, after George, Avri and Marc :)
Jeffrey Neuman
01:23:38
Sorry, that comment was meant for another chat on displaying something :)
Jim Prendergast
01:29:13
@Marc - defining public interest might actually be easier than defining "lack of intent to operate a registry" or any of the other "factors" in the auctions section of the report.
Marc Trachtenberg
01:29:45
Can I respond?
Jeffrey Neuman
01:30:05
@Marc - I will see if George wants to add anything and then go back to you
Jeffrey Neuman
01:32:35
All - This is a great discussion and is actually bridging the first 2 of the 3 "proposals"
Jim Prendergast
01:35:25
in response to somethin George said- closed generics could be a loss leader for a category killer term so don't assume making $$$$ is a motivator.
Heather Forrest
01:35:44
Sincere apologies for such a late arrival - I had overlapping meetings today
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:37:05
Just want to remind everyone were all here for spirited but not personally critical debate
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:37:19
this is indeed a complex matter
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:37:35
if it was not... … … … well it would not be the issue it is
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:40:48
It may be possible to developed standards for a Public Interest Closed Generic that is more limited in the scope of the definition than the overall definition of Global Public Interest..
Steve Chan
01:41:30
Available here: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/langdon-orr-neuman-to-botterman-20aug20-en.pdf
George Sadowsky
01:42:09
Good point, Anne. One standard for every possible use does seen unreachable relative to sectoral guidelines.
Justine Chew
01:43:21
I'm trying to wrap my head around feasible recourse avenue(s) if harm indeed resulted from allowing a closed generic TLD. Especially if some sort of guardrails aren't provided for in the RA.
Marc Trachtenberg
01:44:22
I still think public interest standards are unworkable and will result in years of dispute. Lack of meaningful standards is in institutional problem with ICANN and we should not continue this
Marc Trachtenberg
01:45:47
If public interest goals should apply to closed generics then they should apply to all new gTLDs. Whay
Marc Trachtenberg
01:46:16
Why should closed generics be singled out?
Marc Trachtenberg
01:47:55
Can anyone let me know why every TLD should not have a public interest goal?
Jim Prendergast
01:52:09
one outstanding question in my mind is if this group decides that closed generics should be allowed, would that also apply to 2012 delegated TLDs? we've always operated under the assumption that this is a forward looking group so I think this is an important question for those that were concerned with 2012 round closed generics.
Greg Shatan
01:53:07
I don’t think Jeff said “totally” subjective....
Jeffrey Neuman
01:55:13
There certainly will be subjectivity of the panelists in the "ranking"
Greg Shatan
01:57:16
@Jim, there were no 2012 round delegated closed generics. There are still some 2012 applications that are essentially in limbo. Are you asking whether current gTLDs could become closed in the future?
Justine Chew
01:57:31
Subjectivity abounds (at some level) in ALL the existing evaluation panels.
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:58:38
+1 Justine
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:59:51
Time Check @Jeff coming up to the last 5 mins
Marc Trachtenberg
02:01:23
Agree with Greg that forward looking only
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:01:36
Thanks for all the efforts being made on this important issue
Greg Shatan
02:01:48
Marc, thank you for ending on a Kumbaya moment....
Jim Prendergast
02:01:54
maybe next call we can take some 2012 applications and put them to the test. that focuses the mind and arguments.
Steve Chan
02:02:44
Wed 14 Oct at 14:00-15:30 and 16:00-17:00
Laxmi Prasad Yadav
02:03:13
good morning everyone. sorry for delay
Steve Chan
02:03:48
Sorry, those times were in Hamburg Time
Steve Chan
02:04:13
12:00-13:30 and 14:00-15:00 UTC
Jim Prendergast
02:04:15
@steve Is that the ICANN meeting or the week before?
Steve Chan
02:04:45
Correct Jeff
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:05:04
the week for AC SO work
Steve Chan
02:05:22
Thursday, 17 September 2020 at 15:00 UTC for 90 minutes
Justine Chew
02:06:01
Yes, please! On CPE Guidelines I mean,
Jim Prendergast
02:06:01
if the October calendar items haven't gone out, can they ASAP?
Steve Chan
02:06:24
Jim, we are working on the calendar
Steve Chan
02:06:31
Errr, schedule
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:06:47
Bye for now then Thanks for joining and all the great discussion today...
Greg Shatan
02:07:26
Bye all!