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GNSO Council EPDP 2 Final Report webinar
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
27:40
Thx Terri set
Terri Agnew
28:37
Please review ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior here: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2016-06-28-en.
Maxim Alzoba
30:51
hello all
Berry Cobb
33:16
You're a gluten for punishment for attending this webinar. ;-) Hope you are well!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
34:15
Great to see so many (59 at this time) attendees today in addition to the GNSO Council at this webinar
Keith Drazek (Verisign)
35:07
Indeed. Welcome to all observers!
Maxim Alzoba
36:20
do we have understanding why local law enforcement needs ICANN at all? it is all already in the local laws
Terri Agnew
38:34
The presentation slides are posted on the wiki agenda page and GNSO Calendar. https://community.icann.org/x/XAKbC and https://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep
Marie Pattullo
39:01
Question please: who is allowed to use the SSAD? Anyone or only someone who is an accredited requestor?
Berry Cobb
39:38
@Marie, only Accredited users may submit requests.
Berry Cobb
40:49
@Marie, only Accredited users may submit requests.
Marie Pattullo
41:19
Thanks Berry - but is that limited to LEAs/governments?
Maxim Alzoba
41:23
question, who is going to check if the entity is still have a permit to act on behalf of some TM? and how often.
Maxim Alzoba
42:09
question, are LEAs actions going to be logged?
Berry Cobb
43:13
@Marie - It is not limited to just LEAs/Governments. Required for all entities.
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
43:41
@Marie - everything gets logged
Berry Cobb
43:45
@Maxim - MUST keep the information required for accreditation and verification up to date and inform the Accreditation Authority promptly when there are changes to this information. Any changes MAY result in re-accreditation or re-verification of certain pieces of information provided.
Marie Pattullo
44:11
Thanks. Berry.
Maxim Alzoba
45:38
how do we know that claims of priority 1 are not fake?
Berry Cobb
46:58
@Maxim - CPs are to evaluate the request based on its merits. The CP has the ability to downgrade to a lower priority or if there's an indication of repeated abuse, can inform the Central Gateway Manager.
Maxim Alzoba
48:30
foreign LEAs sometime have to be reported according to the local laws prior to any actions, and it might take more than a day (before permit to answer)
Maxim Alzoba
49:49
that is what LEAs 'like', some third party from another country to track their actions
Philippe Fouquart
51:57
Is the "purpose specified" for the disclosure request specific to the request (ie made on a per request basis), or it the accreditation given for a certain remit of "acceptable requests" made to the CGW? Eg with Caitlin's earlier example of Coca Cola, supposing you can demonstrate "you own the brand", where is that remit defined?
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
52:10
Per request
Philippe Fouquart
52:17
Thanks
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
52:35
(Of course I could be wrong - but that’s my understanding)
Maxim Alzoba
01:08:30
was sharing fines with the requestor, who leaked, considered?
Marie Pattullo
01:11:23
We have agreed that we are voting on two separate packages, yes?
Terri Agnew
01:11:26
Councilors: to ask a question, click the Q&A box and type in your question or raise your hand
Maxim Alzoba
01:11:37
is it possible to read questions from panelists, we can not use q&a
Keith Drazek (Verisign)
01:12:16
Hi Marie, that is the current proposal from the small team, with no alternatives put on the table.
Marie Pattullo
01:12:30
Thanks for the confirmation, Keith.
Maxim Alzoba
01:13:29
I can not use mic due to late time
Terri Agnew
01:16:00
@Councilors, please type your question in this chat area
Caitlin Tubergen
01:16:24
@ Marie, if you are asking about the SSAD and priority 2 recs in the Final Report, the idea is that those are considered separately, but this may happen as part of the same motion (allowing for voting on individual resolved clauses). If you are asking about priority 2 items not addressed, as Keith noted, those are considered separately.
Maxim Alzoba
01:16:29
please, read my questions upper in the chat
Berry Cobb
01:18:47
@Maxim - I think we responded to your questions in the chat. Can you repost which one we missed?
Caitlin Tubergen
01:18:51
That is correct, Rafik. Voting threshold for Board depends on whether voting threshold is met by Council, not related to support achieved by EPDP Team.
Maxim Alzoba
01:19:51
not answered question: do we have understanding why local law enforcement needs ICANN at all? it is all already in the local laws
Marie Pattullo
01:20:11
Michele: because SSAD doesn’t give us any automated disclosure, charter questions remain unanswered, consumers remain unprotected. And no, it's not a toy.
Marie Pattullo
01:21:04
Thanks Caitlin: we had understood that there would be 2 votes on 2 packages, not on individual clauses.
Maxim Alzoba
01:21:11
question: how to downgrade automated request to manual request (concerns of fake request, for example)?
Maxim Alzoba
01:25:50
local party has to response to the local LEAs, if those follow the procedures prescribed in the local laws
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
01:25:52
I understood Maxim’s question
Maxim Alzoba
01:27:15
the combination of this and the fact that those LEAs will be tracked - gives answer, most probably SSAD not going to be used outside of five eyes countries
Caitlin Tubergen
01:29:12
@Marie - both are options for the Council to consider but they basically have exactly the same effect / impact. Having two motions would just mean duplication of whereas clauses instead of packaging it into one.
Marie Pattullo
01:29:33
Ah - gotcha - thanks Caitlin!
Maxim Alzoba
01:30:13
huge cost annually
Maxim Alzoba
01:30:46
almost 100m in 10 years
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:31:16
sobering thought indeed
Maxim Alzoba
01:31:19
what happens if ICANN does not have funds to support the SSAD?
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
01:31:38
They go to their sources of funds and look for more money
Maxim Alzoba
01:31:38
higher invoices to CPH?
Maxim Alzoba
01:32:33
CPH invoices will result in higher prices for all registrants
Marie Pattullo
01:32:42
Michele: do you mean that the RrSG may vote no?
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
01:32:54
Marie - no
Maxim Alzoba
01:33:23
we vote as ordered to do, it is in our charters
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
01:33:28
I will vote as instructed
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
01:33:37
I don’t have any leeway
Marie Pattullo
01:33:43
Understood; thanks.
Maxim Alzoba
01:33:59
the same, registries vote as instructed to
Marie Pattullo
01:34:12
(So does the BC, for the record).
Terri Agnew
01:36:50
Next council meeting is 24 September at 12:00 UTC.
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
01:37:50
So that’s two votes then?
Caitlin Tubergen
01:39:01
It is one motion but with the ability to vote separately on resolved clauses - which has happened before.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:40:08
Bye all, thanks for an informative webinar and discussion...
Maxim Alzoba
01:40:18
number of votes equal to the number of buckets
Juan Manuel Rojas
01:40:43
Thanks for this webinar to all!
Maxim Alzoba
01:40:44
thanks all for this late call
Tom Dale
01:40:45
Thanks all. Very helpful.
Pam Little
01:40:53
Thank you all.
Osvaldo Novoa
01:40:56
Thank you all, bye