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051040040 New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group call - Shared screen with speaker view
Julie Bisland
20:20
Please review ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior here: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2016-06-28-en.
Julie Hedlund
23:00
Any comments on the latest version of the redlined draft Final Report are due on Thursday, 10 December at 0300 UTC.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
23:33
But we do have a little wriggle room :-)
Justine Chew
24:21
5th
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
24:27
the Doc should freeze more like the 18th in a perfect world … We shall see
Paul McGrady
24:31
Do we still meet our Council deadline?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
24:40
Call open on 23rd open to 5th
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
25:15
6th we publish our assessment(s) and challenes to the 8th...
Donna Austin, GoDaddy Registry
25:15
So are we doing this as a package, as opposed to individual recommendations?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
25:46
REALLY like to have any Minority Reports by the 6th though ;-)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
26:12
I'm pushy
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
26:20
I know ;-)
Paul McGrady
26:24
Minority reports are not mandatory, though. Its OK to not consense (a word I just made up) without writing a minority report).
Jim Prendergast
26:42
How can you do minority statements if we don't have leadership designations?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
26:50
11th is the doc deadline for Jan GNSO Council Call
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
27:21
Absolutly @Paul, but we assume some will want to lodge them
Jim Prendergast
28:58
I think what you just laid out should be sent to the entire working group as a separate email from the typical summary emails from a call. Needs to be on its own for people to react to apart from an actions item email.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
29:06
Batches of topics
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
29:30
it was only smoothed out a short while ago @Jim, it will go to list
Julie Hedlund
32:07
See the WG Guidelines at: https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/annex-1-gnso-wg-guidelines-24oct19-en.pdf
Julie Hedlund
32:31
In that see: 3.6 Standard Methodology for Making Decisions
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
32:57
Sec 3,6 and/or 3.7 of the 3.0 Guidelines if memory serves
Donna Austin, GoDaddy Registry
33:57
Will whatever is submitted be transparent to the WG?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
34:33
and the methodology is also outlined in the Consensus Playbook
Justine Chew
35:13
section 3.6
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
35:35
Good to know I'm not crazy (yet) @Justine
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
36:31
contentious will be segregated out
Justine Chew
36:42
Good point @Jim, so we know to look out for and react accordingly (if we wished)
Jim Prendergast
36:44
ok thanks
Kurt Pritz
37:57
Here as grouping could work, if a group doesn’t have consensus then we can sub-divide them and make a separate call on each. So no matter what the grouping, the grouping process will still create efficiencies.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
38:28
Exactly @Kurt
Jim Prendergast
40:49
@CLO - could you clarify something. I thought we were bound by PDP3.0 as council approved that but not bound by the Playbook as that was not part of that effort. it hasn't been approved by council. is that accurate?
Steve Chan
42:13
@Jim, the Consensus Playbook is not binding
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
43:01
True Jim but both @Jeff and I are using the playbook in our methodlogy where we can, so if you want an insite into our likely mechanics ;-)
Heather Forrest
44:50
Apologies for joining late.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
45:18
Welcome @Heather
Taylor Bentley (ISED Canada)
51:48
Hi, but doesn't Topic 4 go down this route by presupposing that IGOs and Governments as a predefined applicant type? That is something that goes where topics 21.1 and 21 does not
Taylor Bentley (ISED Canada)
55:22
nono, very important thanks Jeff
Steve Chan
58:39
It seems that everyone that needs the link already has it, but here is the link in a belated fashion: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YJJDm9mdmSssXav1P08Uhw6Ofyp0KtfTX8QSRChrVNI/edit#gid=1091535370
Justine Chew
01:00:32
14 Systems
Paul McGrady
01:01:24
We talked about this for a long while in WT5. It always begs the question which is notified by who and also how that who decides what should be notified. I don't think we should be second guessing this at this late stage.
Donna Austin, GoDaddy Registry
01:02:09
it only seems to be workable if it is an 'opt in' notification
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:02:36
Just checking if there is any desire for any IG at this stage... If not so be it...
Justine Chew
01:02:44
I am in support of what Jeff is proposing to include an implementation guidance on notifications.
Annebeth Lange
01:03:05
I support that as well
Paul McGrady
01:03:08
It really isn't hard to read the list of strings applied for on reveal day. Why would we build a system designed to create a notice to be read if a list can't be read?
Donna Austin, GoDaddy Registry
01:03:26
I agree with Paul.
Justine Chew
01:03:49
@Paul, @Donna, you don't have to subscribe if you don't want to, it's opt-in.
Marc Trachtenberg
01:03:56
+1 to Paul. More useful to have notification system for public comments on individual applications rather than having to monitor the individual application page
Annebeth Lange
01:04:40
It will be difficult to find a system that works completely, so Paul has good points here
Justine Chew
01:05:01
I can't imagine it being a "giant" system
Justine Chew
01:05:51
And not all who raised comments in support are on this call.
Marc Trachtenberg
01:06:08
At best this is a "nice to have". Let's focus on critical things
Paul McGrady
01:06:25
The problem is building a system to do what can be done just by reading the source material available to all.
Justine Chew
01:06:35
"opt-in for updates"
Paul McGrady
01:07:06
Also, there is nothing keeping ICANN Org from doing this voluntarily of their own free will. I don't think we should codify this in the report in any way.
Paul McGrady
01:08:09
Exactly Jeff. There is no policy issue if Org can just do it
Marc Trachtenberg
01:08:27
+1 Jeff. Let's move on.
Paul McGrady
01:09:07
@Justine - understood but everyone was invited to the call.
Marc Trachtenberg
01:09:09
This true of any issue
Heather Forrest
01:09:42
+1 Marc
Paul McGrady
01:09:50
+1 Marc - we can't paralyze decision making because folks have other priorities besides this call (for example, sleep).
Justine Chew
01:10:14
I reiterate my support for the "opt-in updates" mechanism.
Marc Trachtenberg
01:10:14
If we worried that there were people who were not on the call for every issue we could never move forward
Martin Sutton
01:10:19
I
Annebeth Lange
01:10:41
The agenda was out there, and we all knew that geonames should be discussed today
Heather Forrest
01:11:07
Agree, Annebeth, and we're not in a position to re-open WT5's proposals
Annebeth Lange
01:11:28
Exactly, Heather
Heather Forrest
01:11:59
(and I'm sure Annebeth and Martin will scream if we try to re-open WT5 :) )
Paul McGrady
01:12:47
Would have been an interesting question 2 years ago...
Martin Sutton
01:12:59
yes Heather!
Heather Forrest
01:13:33
+1 Paul - but we'd have to reconvene WT5 to raise a new issue at this stage. Let's make sure the record notes this point, though, so we don't lose it. Can it be mentioned in the Final Report as a new point that entered discussion at this late stage?
Justine Chew
01:14:00
+1 Jeff, it was an opt-in updates for anyone interested
Heather Forrest
01:15:30
Exactly - that doctrine has a more nuanced and limited scope
Heather Forrest
01:15:42
which is why this is actually a new issue, albeit one raised at a late stage
Paul McGrady
01:15:46
@Jeff - I think we should send this to the IDN group as you suggest for consideration. That make sense.
Justine Chew
01:15:49
@Jeff, could the substance fall under the scope of the EPDP on IDN Variants?
Heather Forrest
01:16:00
+1 Paul - let's do that. Makes more sense.
Heather Forrest
01:16:20
Just important not to lose the point.
Annebeth Lange
01:16:24
Good idea
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:16:32
That is where I would send it @Justine (personal POV)
Justine Chew
01:16:58
Well, let's do that then.
Justine Chew
01:17:44
Cool!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:17:55
A little basket of issues for the IDN pdp to possibly explore :-)
Heather Forrest
01:18:12
With end of year holiday greetings from SubPro PDP
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:19:11
:-)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:21:18
Another one for the basket to IDN PDP gift basket
Steve Chan
01:22:25
Comment sheet here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11HrbnRk2Sf5FvdOuynJyXfkLrzQAD1jkYpRyaAE1ctI/edit#gid=53966201
Taylor Bentley (ISED Canada)
01:26:57
Thanks Jeff. Appreciate you walking us through it
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:27:03
:-) you took the words out of my mouth @Jeff :-)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:30:24
they asked us to define what Exceptional Circumstances were
Paul McGrady
01:31:33
@Jeff - right. If we knew what might happen, we would include them here.
Marc Trachtenberg
01:32:49
Like a TLD where all of the domains could be owned by the registry operator so they could be assigned to devices or other innovative business models?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:32:51
good old unknown unknowns
Donna Austin, GoDaddy Registry
01:33:00
Like a closed generic maybe?
Marc Trachtenberg
01:33:24
Points to Donna
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:33:42
and it should be manageable via the Predictability Framework if it gets threshold of support to do so
Paul McGrady
01:36:50
Yep. A long time
Paul McGrady
01:37:02
SPIRT would likely be faster and less frustrating
Taylor Bentley (ISED Canada)
01:38:35
Ya, that is a good news story : D
Justine Chew
01:38:49
What the Anthony Lee comment from before?
Taylor Bentley (ISED Canada)
01:38:50
that flexibility built in
Julie Bisland
01:39:06
NEXT CALL: Monday, 14 December 2020 at 15:00 UTC for 90 minutes
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:39:54
light at the end of the tunnel at least... Really impressed with the dedicated progress you have all made in this last push to Final Reporting
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:40:04
No more topic emails
Paul McGrady
01:41:40
Friday, yes
Julie Hedlund
01:41:45
Friday, 11 December 1500 UTC
Justine Chew
01:41:53
Sure, thanks @Jeff
Justine Chew
01:42:12
Just to have a pin in it
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:42:13
the outcome of that call may (or not) produce something on the topic but we do have the tie to finalise that even in this plan
Heather Forrest
01:42:32
We're all counting on Paul ;)
Donna Austin, GoDaddy Registry
01:42:40
Magic eight ball says …….
Heather Forrest
01:42:52
"The future is decidedly so....."
Heather Forrest
01:43:00
(Isn't that what the Magic 8 Ball usually says?)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:43:12
Thanks everyone … Until next week … Bye for now!
Heather Forrest
01:43:12
Good work, Jeff
Martin Sutton
01:43:15
don’t crash the plane Paul
Taylor Bentley (ISED Canada)
01:43:17
Happy flying ?
Taylor Bentley (ISED Canada)
01:43:30
thanks everyone
Laxmi Prasad Yadav
01:43:32
thank everyone
Annebeth Lange
01:43:33
Bye all, thanks! Have a nice weekend.
Paul McGrady
01:43:34
Thanks Jeff. Thanks CLO!
Martin Sutton
01:43:35
thx all