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GNSO Council Meeting - Shared screen with speaker view
Sebastien Ducos
39:14
apparently my sound is not work. I am here
Sebastien Ducos
39:34
... working ...
Elsa Saade
41:06
i am here, My connection cut when my name was called
James Gannon
41:07
For those who may not know, “Anseo” is Irish for here, which is my mother tongue and I like being able to slip in from time to time =)
Elsa Saade
41:09
thanks Nathalie
Steve Chan
41:25
Thanks James, I was confused :)
Osvaldo Novoa
41:25
Hello, sorry I was late.
Nathalie Peregrine
41:29
Thanks James :)
Nathalie Peregrine
41:37
And welcome Osvaldo!
Maxim Alzoba
41:55
hello all
Elsa Saade
42:15
thank you Keith!
Pam Little, RrSG
42:16
Thank you for your service, Elsa.
James Gannon
42:33
One day I will convince ICANN to offer an Irish translator/interpreter for me.
Flip Petillion
42:36
You are wellcome
Michele Neylon
43:14
Basically James has regained gainfui employment
James Gannon
43:24
Pretty much yeah =)
Maxim Alzoba
43:49
Informal virtual Councillors meeting ?
Rafik Dammak
43:49
@michele gainfui? Another Irish word :)?
Julf Helsingius
44:09
Irish? Gainful?
Julf Helsingius
48:47
It was actually very useful.
Maxim Alzoba
48:49
100% of me was there
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
49:31
of course @Maxim as always :-)
Osvaldo Novoa
49:44
I couldn’t participate in the webinar, I had an ATRT3 call.
Julf Helsingius
49:55
OK, I was only 85% or so present
Maxim Alzoba
50:03
S2S - screen to screen
Tom Dale
50:04
I found the documentation very helpful and to the point, the webinar also.
Nathalie Peregrine
50:08
GNSO Council meeting agenda can also be found here: https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Final+Proposed+Agenda+20+February+2020
Carlton Samuels
50:46
howdy all. My apologies for late join. Traffic stinks!
Nathalie Peregrine
50:56
Welcome Carlton!
Mary Wong
51:19
1600 UTC
John McElwaine
53:04
SCBO just met with ccNSO SOPC
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
59:49
Well noted @Maxim
Steve Chan
01:00:47
Complete!
Michele Neylon
01:00:56
It says it
Michele Neylon
01:00:57
:)
Philippe Fouquart
01:01:12
(apologies was kicked out of the call)
Maxim Alzoba
01:01:20
@Julie, please add as action items - about forming a text about potential overlap of IDN PDP with current PDPs
Philippe Fouquart
01:01:45
BTW I think I noted my name appears twice on the list for the IDN item....
ariel.liang
01:01:54
@Maxim - noted
Maxim Alzoba
01:02:01
@Ariel, thanks
Nathalie Peregrine
01:02:31
@Philippe yes but both items are completed.
Philippe Fouquart
01:02:53
Thanks. Maybe that's why :)
Philippe Fouquart
01:03:02
Thanks Nathalie
Maxim Alzoba
01:05:08
I do support John’s amendment
John McElwaine
01:06:13
Pam agreed that is fine!
Pam Little, RrSG
01:06:35
Thanks, John
Keith Drazek (Verisign)
01:09:39
This Consensus Playbook is another tool in the PDP 3.0 toolbox. It is not a requirement and does not change or impact existing GNSO policies and/or operating procedures.
Maxim Alzoba
01:12:23
I hope we do not need PDP 4.0 soon :)
Pam Little, RrSG
01:12:29
Thank you, Rafik for leading the PDP3.0 small team effort and for staff’s support.
Carlton Samuels
01:12:39
Hear Hear Rafik. I think it streamlines the process
Maxim Alzoba
01:12:58
Thanks to all who helped creating it!
Michele Neylon
01:14:34
Is somebody’s line beeping?
James Gannon
01:14:37
Anyone else hearing the beeps from the adagio line?
Michele Neylon
01:14:48
Me
Maxim Alzoba
01:14:52
me
Philippe Fouquart
01:14:54
and me
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:15:02
me
Flip Petillion
01:15:02
yes - it seems to have disapeared
Terri Agnew
01:17:37
We have fixed the beeping source.
Berry Cobb
01:25:59
Adopted without objection. That does not prevent the Council from using an "All Other" motion in the future for other PCRs.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:30:26
Pam we have held PDP Leadership and Council Leadership calls in the past
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:30:49
and regardless of these types of requests should do so in the future I would think
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:31:21
We also both covered these off in the recent Coucil Policy WG Briefing
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:34:12
We also did 2 earlier Community Cinsultations
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:37:11
We also already meet a total of 3 hrs per week in two meetings
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:37:26
a solid workload for our WG Volunteers
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:40:38
Thank You Flip... our case is well presented by you...
Maxim Alzoba
01:43:23
end of the Business year of ICANN?
Maxim Alzoba
01:43:44
just operational bit
Flip Petillion
01:44:31
Thx Cheryl
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:45:10
You will note our Work Plan does take into account the office closure deadline
Steve Chan
01:45:20
No, nothing from me
Steve Chan
01:45:22
Thanks
Maxim Alzoba
01:45:43
20 DEC 2020 is Sunday
Jeffrey Graham (Tech)
01:45:58
(Stream Statistics) Current: 5 Peak:7
Maxim Alzoba
01:46:04
but nothing prevents use of e-mail on Sundays
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:47:08
Lots needs to happen after the PDP WG completes *its* Report to COuncil
Maxim Alzoba
01:48:30
is it around 6 months to draft an AGB when everything ready?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:48:31
Correct @Keith that is our inderstanding
Maxim Alzoba
01:49:10
ok
Philippe Fouquart
01:49:29
Thanks Keith, thanks Cheryl.
Carlton Samuels
01:49:34
Talking about timing of 'the next round of application'? Is there a sense there is a huge demand for 'the next round'?
Michele Neylon
01:51:15
Carlton - depends *who* you ask
Michele Neylon
01:51:57
Speaking as a hosting provider, ISP and retail registrar - we don’t see massive demand for the currently available new olds
Maxim Alzoba
01:51:57
also Council informal meeting is hard to have in virtual form
Carlton Samuels
01:52:00
@Michele, so noted sah
Michele Neylon
01:52:02
TLDs even
Michele Neylon
01:52:07
Bloody autocorrect
Maxim Alzoba
01:52:33
there might be a need for conference hardware … due to more remote participants than usually
Michele Neylon
01:52:47
That’s an ICANN ORG problem not ours
Maxim Alzoba
01:52:59
if not resolved … might be ours
Michele Neylon
01:53:03
Of course
Osvaldo Novoa
01:54:03
For me it is impossible to have the same participation via teleconference as in person. I don’t think I will be able to dedicate more than a couple of hours per day.
James Gannon
01:54:13
Same here
Carlton Samuels
01:54:17
@Keith, I agree if the intent is to keep the current meeting agenda it will be a miserable failure. Here's where we need to exercise some excutive leadership and prioritize items on the meeting agenda
Philippe Fouquart
01:54:41
@Osvaldo I agree
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:55:18
There are a number of recignised challenges, the trick will be planning what to do to maximise meeting outcome(s)
Pam Little, RrSG
01:55:37
Time zone issue will be challenging for some of us for remote participation.
Julf Helsingius
01:55:42
Indeed
Carlton Samuels
01:55:45
@Rafik. Agree, there should be an optimization exercise not just for the Council but for the entire meeting agenda
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:57:51
Yes bound to not be good for APAC
Julf Helsingius
01:58:12
I think anyone not in the Americas will be badly hit by timezone issues
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:59:08
it is not sustainable over several days for most, and this will have a negative impact on for example getting to consensus on tricky issues
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:59:24
behaviours are different remote VS F2F
Tom Dale
01:59:30
Is it better to have a smaller number of hours each day spread over the original 6 days, or to have a more intensive meeting of say 4 days (not necessarily consecutive)?
Rafik Dammak
01:59:44
after 2 or 3 full days of remote participation, it will be challenging
James Gannon
01:59:55
Neither tbh for those of us who have to take POT for such commitment
James Gannon
02:00:00
*PTO
Maxim Alzoba
02:00:23
no snoring during the council remote meeting !
Julf Helsingius
02:00:30
yes, pot would be a bad idea
Carlton Samuels
02:00:33
@Keith, this is exactly the kind of questions - as per RyRs - that must to be used for prioritization and optimization outcomes
Juan Manuel Rojas
02:00:42
how we are going to plan working session day, for example?
Tom Dale
02:01:03
Some will be less inclined to join a weekend meeting if they are not actually present at a physical venue.
Maxim Alzoba
02:01:04
for some - it is going to be a working session night
Flip Petillion
02:01:40
I must support Tatiana - same for me
Maxim Alzoba
02:01:43
also participants will be more distracted by surrounding people
Pam Little, RrSG
02:01:44
+ 1 Tatiana - stick to the original meeting schedule
Rafik Dammak
02:01:45
Some sessions made sense for F2F , not anymore for virtual meeting
Philippe Fouquart
02:01:46
+1 to what Tatinia just said
Tatiana Tropina
02:02:06
thank you so much
Carlton Samuels
02:02:17
These are considerations for a complex issues and will not give simple answers
Michele Neylon
02:02:19
Tatiana is 100% right
Michele Neylon
02:02:27
I cannot be in two places at once either
Maxim Alzoba
02:02:31
+1 Tatiana
Tom Dale
02:02:33
+1 Tatiana
Julf Helsingius
02:03:11
Michele: in any ICANN meting, I usually have to be in two places at once
Tatiana Tropina
02:03:11
I was afraid to ask about the timezone :-)
Tatiana Tropina
02:03:27
because am afraid nobody knows yet
Keith Drazek (Verisign)
02:04:14
Agreed. The time zone question is primary and everything else would follow from that decision.
Maxim Alzoba
02:04:20
more than 3 nights in a raw … insane
Tatiana Tropina
02:04:20
we are going to be jet lagged even without travelling!
Tatiana Tropina
02:04:39
If it’s LA time am going to shoot myself.
Tatiana Tropina
02:04:44
with a rifle.
Maxim Alzoba
02:04:45
in a row - raw insanity
Julf Helsingius
02:04:52
jety lag is easier to deal with if you get some daylight during the working day...
Pam Little, RrSG
02:04:58
Either Cancun or LA time would be challenging for APAC
Michele Neylon
02:05:07
Cancun is US eastern
Tatiana Tropina
02:05:13
Julf. Daylight? Where? here in NL? Pathetic weather :(
Michele Neylon
02:05:17
So I could, for example, go and hangout in DC
Maxim Alzoba
02:05:22
UTC :)
Julf Helsingius
02:05:23
Tatiana: :)
Michele Neylon
02:05:40
I’m not going to do calls all night after a full day in the office
Tatiana Tropina
02:05:46
let’s do UTC (I feel lovely now, my timezone)
Rafik Dammak
02:05:56
Starting meeting with LA time means 2 am for me
Maxim Alzoba
02:06:21
I am thinking to migrate for some time to a village to devote time to the remote meeting
Rafik Dammak
02:06:23
@michele yes it doesn’t work well
Carlton Samuels
02:06:33
One thing I'm sure of, regardless of time zone, I will prioritize the Council engagements I will participate in remotely. Now that I'm not outside of country, it is hard to hide. I would wish to be guided by leadership and colleagues.
Tatiana Tropina
02:07:10
I would say all council sessions I will make as long as they are during the week. even at 2 am although I will hate everyone at 2 am :(
Rafik Dammak
02:07:30
@tatiana you need to be awake first :D
Maxim Alzoba
02:07:32
3 am is worse than that
Michele Neylon
02:07:35
I’d have to prioritise GNSO Council stuff
Tatiana Tropina
02:07:52
@Rafik, oh am well with hating everyone even if I am not awake!
Tatiana Tropina
02:08:34
am glad we have Pam and Rafik on the leadership team so I hope we won’t go for LA time :-)
Terri Agnew
02:09:15
@Tom, turn down your computer speakers
Nathalie Peregrine
02:09:33
I’ve muted Tom’s mic
Nathalie Peregrine
02:09:36
Tom, please go ahead
Julf Helsingius
02:10:41
I am starting to see a horror scenario for me - GNSO going for a schedule that works for APAC and Europe, and GAC going for Latin American time...
Pam Little, RrSG
02:10:43
+1 Tom
Philippe Fouquart
02:11:02
Totally agree with Tom, looking at the bright side of things, if there's such a thing....
Maxim Alzoba
02:11:09
GAC is worldwide - so 24 h per day?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:12:01
The success *measures* should be matched of course to clearly articulated meeting objectives
John McElwaine
02:13:00
@Flip We did something similar for the Nairobi meeting
Michele Neylon
02:13:11
I attended remotely
Carlton Samuels
02:13:20
@Flip, interesting idea but of course, you'd have just included the work load for some folks
Pam Little, RrSG
02:13:28
I attended the Nairobi meeting in person.
Rafik Dammak
02:14:04
Yes it was my second ICANN meeting
Carlton Samuels
02:14:16
I have no audio on phone
James Gannon
02:14:18
I’ll happily chill with folks in Paris =)
Maxim Alzoba
02:14:33
Moscow?:)
James Gannon
02:14:44
Get me a visa and 100%
James Gannon
02:14:49
=)
Flip Petillion
02:14:54
Logistically indeed a challenge
Maxim Alzoba
02:15:03
it is a challenge now
Rafik Dammak
02:15:33
it is still a challenge, which hub and too close to be able to prepare for the trip (not even talking about those needing visas)
Carlton Samuels
02:15:49
Yeah, the "gathering" is going to be problematic, no?
James Gannon
02:16:07
WE can create many Covid19 clusters this way =)
Carlton Samuels
02:16:21
@James LOL
Maxim Alzoba
02:16:46
wearing chemical suits
Julf Helsingius
02:17:16
I still have my NBC suit somewhere...
Maxim Alzoba
02:17:47
to prevent spreading of the virus by ICANN local hubs attendees
Michele Neylon
02:18:16
+1 Pam
Greg DiBiase
02:18:16
+1 Pam
Maxim Alzoba
02:18:21
+1
Maxim Alzoba
02:18:23
Pam
Tatiana Tropina
02:18:29
agree with Pam, too
Sebastien Ducos
02:18:43
yes Pam
Tom Dale
02:18:43
Makes sense
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:18:56
SubPro would deffinalty hope to still have our effective interaction with the interested and availabele (yet to be determined now) GAC Members on our remaining critical topics
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:19:18
this was critical in our timeline planning and work schedule
Maxim Alzoba
02:19:24
having GAC quorum online at the same time is going to be hard
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:19:43
Remote will be hard for many in the GAC I suspect
Philippe Fouquart
02:20:31
as an aside, it may be interesting to compare the carbon footprint that the F2F would have had and that of the full virtual meeting
Steve Chan
02:20:51
Haha, nope
Nathalie Peregrine
02:20:59
Nothing at this time. thanks Keith.
Maxim Alzoba
02:20:59
depends on what participants do locally
James Gannon
02:21:00
Lol good call Steve =)
Keith Drazek (Verisign)
02:23:40
Can we put the list of work prioritization items on the screen?
Maxim Alzoba
02:24:22
zombie RDS item
Steve Chan
02:24:24
Yes, one second
Rafik Dammak
02:25:01
IRD
Rafik Dammak
02:25:10
Internationalzied registration data
Steve Chan
02:25:30
Added as item m) in brackets
Michele Neylon
02:25:30
Can you enable scrolling?
Maxim Alzoba
02:25:46
translation and TRansiteration - is it different from IRD?
Steve Chan
02:25:53
No, unfortunately Zoom doesn’t allow that. But I can share the document here.
Michele Neylon
02:26:01
Ah well
Rafik Dammak
02:28:03
@maxim yes different, just subset
Rafik Dammak
02:29:03
It was in RDS WG scope and council took action in response to board https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/gnso-council-to-icann-board-21dec16-en.pdf
Julf Helsingius
02:34:35
Virtual lunch?
James Gannon
02:34:37
Well happy to fly to LA for lunch =)
Berry Cobb
02:35:34
25 Feb – Deadline to submit comments to comment proceeding
Nathalie Peregrine
02:37:03
As a reminder, documents for Council input can be found here: https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Documents+for+GNSO+Council+review
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:39:36
Thanks everyone... Bye for now then,,,,
Maxim Alzoba
02:39:38
good night , 2AM here
Rafik Dammak
02:39:41
thanks all
James Gannon
02:39:43
Thanks all
Carlton Samuels
02:39:44
Thank you all. Bye all
Philippe Fouquart
02:39:45
Thanks all. Bye.
Tatiana Tropina
02:39:46
thanks all - bye
John McElwaine
02:39:47
Bye
maarten.simon
02:39:49
night