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051040040 New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group call - Shared screen with speaker view
Jim Prendergast
44:59
my first call was 2am today its now 10pm...
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
45:21
I hear you @Jim
Steve Chan
45:29
@Jim, hardy soul indeed. Thanks for making it.
Jim Prendergast
45:36
IGF weeks. plural
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
45:53
yes more to come!!!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
46:04
hardly smarter
Steve Chan
48:27
Sure, link here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rOqfucddhWhYK8u3-O7IHg772BpjEIGhlmCT_gMRSkQ/edit#gid=1163822586
Christa Taylor
53:01
It needs to consider expenses that go beyond one round i.e. systems
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
53:09
:-)\
Christa Taylor
53:50
yes, systems is an example that's allocated over number of systems
Christa Taylor
54:05
#number of rounds
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
54:15
Thanks @Christa (makes sense to me ;-)
Justine Chew
54:43
You mean like how asset depreciation is applied?
Christa Taylor
54:54
Exactly
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
55:21
amortise over several rounds/years
Paul McGrady
55:52
So round 1 applicants would have to wait 10 years to get their overpayment refund?
Phil Buckingham
56:19
yes agreed . Differentiate capex to write off over rounds
Donna Austin, GoDaddy Registry
57:36
It does add some complexity to the process, which is a concern
Jeffrey Neuman
59:40
It is a little more complex, but accountants do this all the time.
Paul McGrady
59:53
+1 Donna. Mutualization over 10 years minus anticipated legal fees? This is quickly becoming meaningless.
Christa Taylor
01:01:36
Agree with Donna. Cost recovery can be allocated on various methods - number of application, time periods, rounds, weighted, etc. May depend on the item
Jim Prendergast
01:02:49
exactly - ICANN determines what things will cost so we are not dealing with complete info.
Christa Taylor
01:03:04
+1 to comment
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:03:13
makes sense
Justine Chew
01:03:14
+1 Jeff
Donna Austin, GoDaddy Registry
01:03:18
Worth a try
Julie Hedlund
01:03:30
Got it
Justine Chew
01:06:03
+1 Jim. Unless we are prepared to say just use whatever is booked or budgeted for at X date, this question isn't going to resolve itself.
Steve Chan
01:07:33
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Phil Buckingham
01:07:35
Agreed Jim . Needs to be a "cost reconciliation " at the end of a deemed round .
Marc Trachtenberg, Greenberg Traurig, Chicago
01:08:05
Won't we not know whether there is an excess for some time after the round as there could be potential disputes or litigation later which would normally be paid for from application fees
Christa Taylor
01:08:13
It wasn't meant to take $1k out but if it was less than $1k
Donna Austin, GoDaddy Registry
01:09:41
I agree with Christa, I think this makes sense. It's not worth the administrative cost.
Heather Forrest
01:11:05
I think we should be practical
Heather Forrest
01:11:09
not wasteful
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:11:19
indeed @Heather
Justine Chew
01:11:49
Anything that helps finance existing causes is good.
Justine Chew
01:12:59
@Jeff, how was the figure for AS derived for the 2012 round?
Donna Austin, GoDaddy Registry
01:13:05
Not only the discount, but we also don't say what the overall budget is do we?
Justine Chew
01:14:31
If I recall correctly, it was a USD47,000 discount for AS qualifiers
Christa Taylor
01:14:36
I couldn't find the breakout on how the first AS fee was determined. Might be worthy of reviewing it so we know how it was calc.
Jeffrey Neuman
01:15:09
Justine - was it 47k discount or the total amount paid was 47k by the applicant
Justine Chew
01:15:41
Yes, my bad, it was US47k fee amount, not discount
Donna Austin, GoDaddy Registry
01:16:04
Or could it be subsidized by the program itself?
Justine Chew
01:16:24
So AS qualifiers paid only USD47k instead of USD185k
Christa Taylor
01:17:27
Yes - its in excess fees!!
Justine Chew
01:17:33
I think you're right Jeff
Donna Austin, GoDaddy Registry
01:18:52
It would be good if we could frame expectations about how many Applicant Support Applications would be considered good.
Justine Chew
01:19:57
@Jeff, as Christa and I asked earlier, can we find out how the US47k was derived?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:19:59
Guidance then up to the IRT works for me on this
Donna Austin, GoDaddy Registry
01:20:09
Okay if we punted. I'll let it go.
Justine Chew
01:21:41
If we have an understanding of how USD47k was derived, then we can at least consider if that formula could be retained for IRT to work on..... just thinking out loud.
Paul McGrady
01:22:11
Olive Garden Gift cards
Donna Austin, GoDaddy Registry
01:22:38
I think it's a good idea, but perhaps ask staff if it can be done.
Christa Taylor
01:22:43
Accountants hate wires... ;-)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:25:07
but could be supportive to the new gTLD program
Justine Chew
01:25:10
It goes towards the identified causes in our recommendation
Donna Austin, GoDaddy Registry
01:25:35
Yep, 15.9
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:26:05
yes I was trying to agree (not very articulate atm sorry)
Phil Buckingham
01:26:30
Agreed Justine . So AS applicant would get a 75% discount ( as it stands at the moment ) on the Application Fee ( TBD) - for starters !
Marc Trachtenberg, Greenberg Traurig, Chicago
01:28:32
Agree with Paul. Do we really need to design another complicated system?
Justine Chew
01:28:45
why is it complicated?
Marc Trachtenberg, Greenberg Traurig, Chicago
01:29:02
Re going to the CA SOS, the SOS would not keep it. It would be unclaimed property
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:29:08
Agree @Jeff
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:29:19
not terribly complex at all
Paul McGrady
01:29:24
1,000 uncomplicated things = a complicated system
Marc Trachtenberg, Greenberg Traurig, Chicago
01:29:55
+1 to Paul
Justine Chew
01:30:10
I'd rather the unclaimed monies goes towards benefitting ICANN-related programs than anything California-specific.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:30:40
___ @Justine
Christa Taylor
01:30:50
+1 on transparency to both
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:30:54
should be +++
Donna Austin, GoDaddy Registry
01:35:10
That's correct Jeff
Marc Trachtenberg, Greenberg Traurig, Chicago
01:36:28
But we are making a number of changes to the evaluation process so how will ICANN know how much everything will cost this time? Also the changes we make could result in more litigation and disputes. So is it really that easy to determine?
Justine Chew
01:36:48
ICANNorg comes up with budgets
Christa Taylor
01:37:38
the theory makes sense...
Justine Chew
01:38:51
A bit like how a corporation might determine periodic dividend amounts and payouts.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:39:03
indeed @Justine
Steve Chan
01:42:05
I can click over to the recommendations if that helps
Justine Chew
01:42:25
We can review from notes
Steve Chan
01:42:53
Link for this sheet here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mkfwWZtyGAOdIbN3LsgNtDnVs6ehPmgrONzl85gWD2I/edit#gid=1163822586
Phil Buckingham
01:48:05
@Cheryl , think we need a tighter definition of historical costs . Could I follow up next week
Heather Forrest
01:49:24
Sorry, Jeff- could you repeat
Paul McGrady
01:49:27
Makes sense
Heather Forrest
01:49:32
Just so I'm 100% clear
Heather Forrest
01:49:53
Yes, I agree with Paul, that makes sense
Heather Forrest
01:50:05
Sorry, I didn't want to agree unless I fully grasped what you were saying
Donna Austin, GoDaddy Registry
01:50:23
I agree, makes sense
Justine Chew
01:51:14
I am having difficulty envisioning an example of non-consensus policy items for which an exemption can be negotiated
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:52:12
I thought it was my inability to compute atm @Justine
Justine Chew
01:54:17
@Donna, you're speaking of the .JOBS TLD
Justine Chew
01:56:11
Okay, I reserve my position that then
Paul McGrady
01:58:27
What was the original idea? In RA or PIC?
Steve Chan
01:59:02
36
Paul McGrady
01:59:27
Steve gave the Douglas Adams answer.
Steve Chan
02:00:00
I also typed 15 earlier :)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:05:15
So what does the WG think??
Karen Lentz
02:09:48
Yes, thanks Jeff for clarification
Christa Taylor
02:11:15
It sounds like ICANN is suggesting that they do not have the processes in place to identify fraud or deal with potential fraud. Hence it's reliant on external bodies to identify and determine it is fraud. Perhaps ICANN doesn't want to take on that liability from various perspectives i.e. accusing a registry, potential damages, etc.
Christa Taylor
02:12:13
got it...ignore.
Christa Taylor
02:12:32
Agree sorry.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:12:49
Good progress again today team, thanks for all your deliberations, Next call is 1500 UTC on Nov 10 (I believe) remember list work on a few issues from today until then... Thanks and Bye for Now...
Heather Forrest
02:12:54
Thanks, Jeff