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Julie Bisland's Personal Meeting Room - Shared screen with speaker view
Joke Braeken
30:14
hello all. If you would like to follow the live-note taking for today’s CCWG AP meeting, go to:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fKTHUBciSb01F6CdFQtQpm5D0w8DQPD2M-NJ95YEBok/edit?usp=sharing
Maureen Hilyard
30:18
Thank you Jonathan for sharing the article
Vanda Scartezini
31:09
goodmorning
Marika Konings
33:15
https://community.icann.org/display/CWGONGAP/Initial+Report+Public+Comment+Review
Ching Chiao
36:10
Thank you so much Erika !
Maureen Hilyard
36:12
Happy birthday Ching
Vanda Scartezini
36:15
HAPPY BIRTHDAY !
Stephen Deerhake
36:53
Happy Birthday Ching
Maureen Hilyard
37:11
The overview is a good reminder on what we still need to work on.. sorry I have not been as involved as I should
Marika Konings
37:11
https://community.icann.org/display/CWGONGAP/FAQs
Vanda Scartezini
41:52
YES MAUREEN ,, and does not looks small task
Judith Hellerstein-ALAC Member
42:28
Thanks Andrea
Andrea Glandon
43:02
You’re welcome
Judith Hellerstein-ALAC Member
44:16
It was Sally who just had joined and did not realize she was not muted
Judith Hellerstein-ALAC Member
46:58
I agree with Vanda’s inclusion as well
Marika Konings
47:01
Those involved in developing this language are: Marilyn, Elliot, Jonathan, Alan and Maureen
Vanda Scartezini
47:32
you may change the sentence since English not my native language
Jonathan Robinson
47:44
HI. I am here but in a public place
Judith Hellerstein-ALAC Member
47:55
Marilyn is listed as MSCade
Maureen Hilyard
48:01
yes Jonathan is there. Sorry I missed Marilyn.. Great to see them
Andrea Glandon
48:01
I just renamed
Marika Konings
48:14
Please note that you can change your name by hovering over your name and clicking ‘rename’.
Marika Konings
48:46
It would be helpful if you include behind your name whether you are a member or participant and your affiliation
Andrea Glandon
50:27
Please remember to mute your line when not speaking
Maureen Hilyard
50:37
"constraints otherwise imposed" thank you for adding some explanation Marika
Judith Hellerstein-ALAC Member
51:00
Samantha has her hand up
Maureen Hilyard
52:38
Perhaps incorporate Vanda's addition into the document rather than at the end. So that we do end with "definitive"
Marilyn Cade
52:56
Thanks to addition of e.g. re legal and fiduciary requirements. That addresses my concerns on that point. Erika, rather than “shall”, we. Might use the word “may”, as “shall and :should are instructive and may is optional.
Vanda Scartezini
52:59
as I said someone with a better English can make it better
Vanda Scartezini
53:45
looks better
Maureen Hilyard
54:11
Marika, probably position the new sentence before the last one.
Vanda Scartezini
54:22
YES
Jonathan Robinson
55:40
I am happy to volunteer to edit including dealing with Marilyn's concern re the use of "shall"
Jonathan Robinson
56:13
Or simply refine with the small group as Eric just now suggested
Vanda Scartezini
56:16
ok
Marilyn Cade
58:25
Sam, thanks for your comments, and while I am interested in what role an internal ICANN staff might provide, I want to a avoid ICANN Org being too restrictive.
Julf Helsingius
59:31
We also don't want ICANN.org to be too inclusive.
samantha.eisner
59:57
Xavier or I would be happy to join in a further session
Marilyn Cade
01:00:04
For instance, ICANN has significantly cut back on the Special Projects funding and just because ICANN funds 3 Community. Outreach events per group, should not preclude other forms of outreach…
Julf Helsingius
01:01:08
Sure, but we don't want ICANN org to cut down programs with the excuse of "well, you can get funding from Auction Proceeds"
Maureen Hilyard
01:01:15
I have to agree with Marilyn. One of the key issues for even the larger group is that ICANN Org only provided the legal and fiduciary inputs but did not have any influence on the choice of funded projects.
Judith Hellerstein-ALAC Member
01:02:08
I agree with Marilyn, but i did not read that into my reading of this paragraph
Judith Hellerstein-ALAC Member
01:02:28
I agree with Maureen on this. It is how I feel
Vanda Scartezini
01:05:26
Xavier has a good point
Judith Hellerstein-ALAC Member
01:06:05
I agree with Xavier’s point. It makes sense
Marilyn Cade
01:07:14
ICANN Org can provide a summary. If there are then questions, such questions can be referred to ICANN Org for clarification. I agree with bringing it back to the small group, as Jonathan suggested. And include Sam and Xavier if possible in discussion.
Maureen Hilyard
01:07:15
Helpful input from Xavier.. and I think this is in line with our recommendation.
Xavier Calvez
01:07:23
Happy to help.
Ching Chiao
01:07:27
Yup agree to move it back to small group
Ching Chiao
01:07:38
There could be a “Declare of Interest “ process built in for the fund applicant, meaning that they will have to declare if they receive fund from ICANN op fund or from other sources. It has to be done anyway .
Judith Hellerstein-ALAC Member
01:08:16
Hand up
Julf Helsingius
01:08:29
receive, or received in the past
Julf Helsingius
01:10:13
Exactly, Erika!
Judith Hellerstein-ALAC Member
01:10:37
yes. I understand it. that makes sense.
Maureen Hilyard
01:12:40
The frustration for many constituencies is that there are current categories that ICANN is supposed to support but often reject because of lack of funds.
Vanda Scartezini
01:13:17
sure Maureen…
Julf Helsingius
01:14:38
But AP should not be to fix things we disagree with in the ICANN budget
Judith Hellerstein-ALAC Member
01:14:59
Yes. I agree with that. Or that a similar program was funded for one constituency and so not funded for another because it was assumed they could use the work product produced by the other constituency that was not tailored or fit well with the other requested constituency
Marilyn Cade
01:15:55
Re Rec 11: I am very concerned to any reference to changes in ICANN’s mission.
Marika Konings
01:17:48
@Marilyn - my understanding is that this refers to changes that could be the result of other processes / decisions, not related to the auction proceeds.
Marilyn Cade
01:17:52
Discussion about how the community might support needs more discussion than a single person, regardless of which community they come from, so I was a little startled to hear that Alan is working with the Leadership team but there is not inclusion of others on a representative basis to make a recommendation.
Julf Helsingius
01:19:26
I agree with Marilyn's concern
AlanGreenberg
01:19:47
Sorry for being late. Have construction going on...
Marika Konings
01:20:51
Note that the input that was provided during that call has been noted and will be factored in the drafting.
Marilyn Cade
01:22:08
I am happy to join the small group.
Maureen Hilyard
01:24:01
I am happy to work with Alan to work on the draft
Marilyn Cade
01:24:05
So, just withdrawing and will wait to comment when the micro team has a document/proposal.
Vanda Scartezini
01:29:33
thank you happy to help
Vanda Scartezini
01:30:16
not for everyone sorry
Marilyn Cade
01:47:59
If there are substantial changes, yes, to a second comment period. How short are we allowed it to be? It is better to address the substantial/material changes, rather than starting over, in my view.
Vanda Scartezini
01:49:31
we can ask I believe, but my own opinion may be a short public period only for the material changes
Nadira AL-ARAJ
01:51:51
the substantial change = key changes
Marilyn Cade
01:54:56
I am not sure I understand — if there is an independent entity managing the application/award/evaluation process, they need to provide this. ICANN should be outside this, if there is a truly independent mechanism.
Marilyn Cade
02:02:21
We don’t want the board or ICANN Org, or community participants to be subject to lawsuits as an example because someone does not agree with a decision about a grant application. Keeping this outside of ICANN processes is very important, in my view.
Vanda Scartezini
02:03:59
thank you Samantha, clearer
Nadira AL-ARAJ
02:04:02
Marilyn I think ICANN accountability of this issue depends on the mechanism
Vanda Scartezini
02:05:18
yes agree with ALAN it is normally written in the bid you are lot able to appeal to the final decision
Vanda Scartezini
02:05:50
I am against to have appeal mechanism to granted decision.
John Levine
02:06:18
Agree with Alan, look at the way that other orgs handle grants and do what they do. Please don’t invent something new and different.
Maureen Hilyard
02:06:27
I agree that we don't want to make the process more complicated for us in the long run.. no appeals makes sense
Marilyn Cade
02:06:51
Nadira, we need to remember that this is not ICANN ‘usual funding’, and we wouldn’t want the ICANN Board or ICANN Org to be diverted from their day. Jobs, so to speak to take on oversight of grant making/management. We don’t elect/select Board members to oversee auction fees, but to provide leadership for the broader mission of ICANN, after all.
Marilyn Cade
02:07:42
Just fyi: any grant making entity will have some kind of appeals mechanism/not suggesting such a mechanism inside ICANN, however.
Vanda Scartezini
02:09:09
I would skip it
samantha.eisner
02:10:44
There are no legal requirements to have an appeals process, but there might be an accountability need to have one
John Levine
02:12:46
No, there isn’t. I’m a trustee of the ISOC foundation, we don’t have one
Vanda Scartezini
02:14:20
Sam - acceptable will be the clear process checked it was followed not the results I believe.
Vanda Scartezini
02:14:35
acepptabel= accountable
Vanda Scartezini
02:18:28
yes guidance will be mandatory IMO
Vanda Scartezini
02:20:23
not seen any
Vanda Scartezini
02:24:59
thanks to all good session!
Marika Konings
02:27:19
correct
Marika Konings
02:27:51
Once we have confirmation on the slot, we can set up a doodle poll
Marilyn Cade
02:28:00
Very important to have a working slot that is for work/Wednesday would be excellent as we can book it now.
Maureen Hilyard
02:28:24
Doodle poll - good idea for indication of attendees
Nadira AL-ARAJ
02:28:34
thank you
Joke Braeken
02:28:36
thanks all. Bye.
Judith Hellerstein-ALAC Member
02:28:43
bye all