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Julie Bisland's Personal Meeting Room - Shared screen with speaker view
Marika Konings
39:38
Board materials can be found here: https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2019-05-15-en#1.b
Marc Anderson (Verisign) (RySG)
52:53
sounds good, thank you Janis
Marika Konings
53:35
Response can be found here: https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-epdp-team/2019-May/001951.html
Rafik Dammak (GNSO Council Liaison)
56:24
Yes, noted
Alan Greenberg - ALAC
57:07
I was part of the group that redesigned the PDP and Bylaws, so I think that is how it needs to work. Marika is closer to it than I am though.
Marc Anderson (Verisign) (RySG)
57:40
thank you, that helps
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
58:01
no
Marika Konings
59:13
For the consultation process, it is actually not detailed how it should work as it just refers to GNSO Council, but as the EPDP Team is still in existence, I would also assume that Council would consult with EPDP Team, but as Rafik noted, next steps are expected to be discussed in further detail during Tuesday’s Council meeting.
Marika Konings
59:43
This is the first time that this consultation process is triggered so it is new territory.
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
01:01:14
the faster we go, the more often we will likely see a "could not obtain feedback from group - need more time"-error. And those would slow us down more than losing the additional meetings
julf Helsingius (NCSG)
01:01:26
Indeed
julf Helsingius (NCSG)
01:03:08
Not sure we can sustain more meetings
Matt Serlin - RrSG
01:03:33
Is it possible to back up a slide?
Marika Konings
01:04:07
Done - note that the slide deck was also circulated to the mailing list.
Margie Milam (BC)
01:04:40
I agree with Ashley
Ashley Heineman (GAC)
01:05:30
How about single stream until after Marrakesh?
Ashley Heineman (GAC)
01:05:38
Then trial working two tracks.
Matt Serlin - RrSG
01:06:12
I agree a single stream prior to Marrakesh seems to be reasonable
Sarah Wyld (RrSG Alt)
01:11:38
Thanks to Staff for putting this table together
Matt Serlin - RrSG
01:16:26
Speaking for the registrars, we haven’t had time to review the table so would appreciate the time to do so prior to being sent
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
01:16:40
the questions should also be reviewed to ensure they are not leading questions. asking the right questions is important.
Marika Konings
01:16:52
Do also note that there is a limited budget available - passing all these questions on may take up most of that budget which might prevent follow up on any further questions the group may have.
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
01:16:56
if you ask the wrong question, you will get answers that are not very helpful
Margie Milam (BC)
01:17:29
Ok -- makes sense--
Marika Konings
01:17:54
Also, there are some questions that relate to topics that are currently not part of phase 2 scope so the EPDP Team may need to consider if it is relevant to ask those questions or instead focus on those that will help move forward deliberations on phase 2 items.
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry - RySG)
01:18:09
@Staff: Am I correct in understanding that these questions are not intended any questions that are potentially new and specific to Phase 2?
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
01:18:13
"Is it possible to do general thing x" is for example very open. because the answer will likely be "Yes it is", but the important question would have been to ask what the prerequisites are...
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry - RySG)
01:18:47
sorry . . . "not intended to include any . . .."
Marika Konings
01:19:53
@Kristina - the questions focused on the memos provided during phase 1 so it is for the team to evaluate which of those are also relevant to phase 2. And of course, there are additional questions that may come up in the context of the worksheets.
Marika Konings
01:20:28
So ideally EPDP Team members also provide their input on the worksheets so that any questions that are deemed essential to inform the deliberations can be conveyed as soon as possible.
Alan Woods (RySG)
01:22:14
To be clear, alot of issues may arise during deliberations as they are ongoing and may be necessary to submit later too.
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry - RySG)
01:22:19
Thanks, Marika!
Sarah Wyld (RrSG Alt)
01:22:22
+1 Alan
Matt Serlin - RrSG
01:22:22
+1 Alan…for sure
Marika Konings
01:24:09
Note that this document was shared together with the agenda.
Sarah Wyld (RrSG Alt)
01:25:34
how do you want feedback on these definitions?
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry - RySG)
01:26:42
Definitions must be neutral and legally accurate and complete.
Marika Konings
01:27:21
Note these are working definitions, not intended to convey any kind of agreement. It is just making sure that if someone refers to UAM, this is what it is expected to mean, not what the EPDP Team has recommended or agreed upon (yet).
Sarah Wyld (RrSG Alt)
01:27:49
Should we maybe do a shared google doc where we can all make tracked changes and discuss them there? Or how should we propose changes? thanks
Ashley Heineman (GAC)
01:27:49
+1 marika
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
01:28:13
Unified Access Model - Model for third parties with legitimate purposes to request and - if they fulfil the applicable requirements - receive disclosure of domain name registration data.
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry - RySG)
01:29:48
+1 Sarah. A shared Google doc seems the most efficient and effective way to go forward here.
Marika Konings
01:30:18
@Volker - how should the group then refer to the UAM as worked on by ICANN? We are just trying to make sure that there is no confusion when terms are used by the group and everyone has the same understanding.
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
01:30:32
ICANN, Contracted parties and third parties then...
Matt Serlin - RrSG
01:30:37
Yes just to be clear, we aren’t meant to be providing detailed feedback on these definitions on the call now, correct?
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry - RySG)
01:30:44
GOOGLE DOC, PLEASE.
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
01:31:35
@Marika: That would be the TSG model
Sarah Wyld (RrSG Alt)
01:31:47
+1 Volker. Let's call that the TSG Model.
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
01:32:09
then there is the Tucows Tired Access model (TTA), ...
Alan Greenberg - ALAC
01:32:31
I like TSG Model ...
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry - RySG)
01:32:55
This is the point I made 2 weeks ago. The TSG model is one form of a UAM, which is one form of a Standardized Model for Lawful Disclosure. They're not synonymous.
Sarah Wyld (RrSG Alt)
01:33:30
+1 Kristina
Chris Lewis-Evans (GAC)
01:34:26
+1 Mark
Alan Greenberg - ALAC
01:34:32
+1 Mark
Sarah Wyld (RrSG Alt)
01:34:54
We can't track new definitions by phone call, we need a shared google doc
Matt Serlin - RrSG
01:35:05
Yes let’s please agree to get this captured on a Google Doc
Alan Greenberg - ALAC
01:35:16
Cannot understand Alan
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
01:35:31
+1 Mark
julf Helsingius (NCSG)
01:35:36
I think someone has a mic open
Marika Konings
01:35:42
Alan, you have quite a bit of background noise that makes it difficult to hear you.
Alan Woods (RySG)
01:36:26
apologies. Silly share offices
Sarah Wyld (RrSG Alt)
01:36:53
Sorry Janis :)
Matt Serlin - RrSG
01:37:57
Monday is a holiday in many places next week...
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry - RySG)
01:37:58
Monday is a national holiday for those in the US.
Alan Greenberg - ALAC
01:37:59
I would suggest people put in comments and not edits. Easier to handle if there are competing positions.
Ashley Heineman (GAC)
01:38:01
Monday will be hard for US folks. Holiday.
Mark Svancarek (MSFT) (BC)
01:38:23
+1 Alan
Sarah Wyld (RrSG Alt)
01:38:38
yes, everyone should use 'suggest' mode.
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
01:39:00
+1 suggestions
Margie Milam (BC)
01:40:48
- I have to drive to work , but will remain on the phone call
Andrea Glandon
01:41:13
Thank you, Margie
Sarah Wyld (RrSG Alt)
01:46:03
Marika, are we to put comments/etc in the google docs? Or how shoudl we give feedback and input on these worksheets? Thanks
Chris Disspain (ICANN Board Liaison)
01:47:14
I will need to drop now…Cheers all…
Berry Cobb
01:48:02
And so for example, if the group agrees the topic of Authentication should be added, we'd create a section to further explore and document it.
Ashley Heineman (GAC)
01:48:22
This is great work.
Marika Konings
01:48:23
@Sarah - yes, please use the comment mode
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
01:48:23
sounds good to me
Sarah Wyld (RrSG Alt)
01:48:38
Thanks Marika. The sheet on screen now I think is only in the wiki as a PDF?
Berry Cobb
01:49:04
Our goal would be to line these up into an overall workplan to size each topic and develop a more informed timeline.
Marika Konings
01:49:22
@Sarah - that is still an old version. If you have an immediate input about the approach, please share it now, we then hope to build it out and publish it as a google doc.
Marika Konings
01:49:48
We want to make sure that we are on the right track for the approach before filling out all the details
Sarah Wyld (RrSG Alt)
01:49:51
Thanks, I have no changes at this time.
Matt Serlin - RrSG
01:51:58
I think this is a great framework to guide the work…thanks Marika!
Sarah Wyld (RrSG Alt)
01:52:46
Agreed!
Marika Konings
01:55:40
yes, will do
Marika Konings
01:57:08
Yes, these are expected to be living documents but the hope is that we can ‘close’ some of the aspects such as objectives and immediate next steps
julf Helsingius (NCSG)
02:02:17
How much are we prepared to go over time? I am being chased out of this room...
Marc Anderson (Verisign) (RySG)
02:02:57
I"m not sure I caught this correctly... did Janis propose an extra meeting for tomorrow (friday) at 1400 UTC?
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
02:03:21
this lack of scrolling ability is really annoying...
Marika Konings
02:03:23
@Marc - we will follow up. Tomorrow may be too short notice :-)
Marika Konings
02:04:09
@Volker - the doc is also available here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/18y45QVBgf8K_qaHEPL_Ux7Fs1MuFZ8lDsVa7B5O80xs/edit?usp=sharing
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry - RySG)
02:05:18
We'll need to reach agreement on the definitions first, I think, given that this doc uses them.
Sarah Wyld (RrSG Alt)
02:05:43
+1 to both Kristina and Marc
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
02:06:30
I know, but Zoom is already taking over my screens.
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry - RySG)
02:06:45
I have to drop for another call. Thanks, all. I'll review the transcript/recording for anything past the 93rd minute.
julf Helsingius (NCSG)
02:07:21
Many of us have to leave
julf Helsingius (NCSG)
02:07:40
Can we please try to stick to the scheduled time?
Matt Serlin - RrSG
02:08:21
I have to drop now as we are already 5 mins over…
Alan Greenberg - ALAC
02:08:49
We need to defer this to next meeting.
Ashley Heineman (GAC)
02:08:51
all things considred, only being over 5 minutes is miraculous in my mind
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
02:09:21
+ Janis surethis is a good idea
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
02:10:01
the schedule is being increased _already_?
Leon Felipe Sanchez (ICANN Board Liaison)
02:10:04
I have to drop
Leon Felipe Sanchez (ICANN Board Liaison)
02:10:06
my apologies
Ashley Heineman (GAC)
02:10:07
good idea for Steve
Leon Felipe Sanchez (ICANN Board Liaison)
02:10:07
bye all
Leon Felipe Sanchez (ICANN Board Liaison)
02:10:08
thanks
Alan Greenberg - ALAC
02:10:25
Need to leave. Thanks
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
02:10:27
good idea for the briefing, but no additional slot please.
julf Helsingius (NCSG)
02:12:07
Volker +1
Sarah Wyld (RrSG Alt)
02:13:33
Thanks, all!
Rafik Dammak (GNSO Council Liaison)
02:13:48
thanks all
julf Helsingius (NCSG)
02:13:52
Thanks!
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
02:13:54
Thank you Janis, staff and all - bye
Chris Lewis-Evans (GAC)
02:14:00
Thanks all
Georgios Tselentis (GAC)
02:14:02
bye thanks