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Andrea Glandon's Personal Meeting Room - Shared screen with speaker view
Alan Greenberg-ALAC
36:14
@Alex, see no such words...
hadia Elminiawi ALAC
37:48
hello all - good to be back
Amr Elsadr-NCSG
38:49
@Janis: Welcome. The agenda seems fine to me.
Amr Elsadr-NCSG
39:03
Hi all. Once more in to the breach.
Johan Helsingius-NCSG
39:24
Still not able to get in using app, web works but audio is bad
hadia Elminiawi ALAC
40:13
@Johan audio is not great
Farzaneh Badii NCSG
41:26
I can hear clearly.
iPhone
42:17
hi all, just spotting i only show up as iphone. it’s Thomas Rickert
Marika Konings
42:22
It should work the same way, the only thing is that you see your own hand at the top.
andrea.glandon
42:27
Thank you, Thomas! I will rename
James Bladel-RrSG
42:29
I saw Amr’s hand
Chris Lewis-Evans (GAC)
42:31
yes
Brian King - IPC
42:33
I saw Amr's hand
James Bladel-RrSG
42:38
It moved below the hosts
Brian King - IPC
42:49
Thomas is clearly a cyborg iPhone
Marika Konings
42:55
Note that for now the hosts are not able to raise their hands
Amr Elsadr-NCSG
43:04
Cool. Thanks.
James Bladel-RrSG
43:07
I don’t think we see our own hand order, but others can see it in order
Matt Serlin - RrSG
43:20
So the hosts can’t get into the queue? Is that a feature or a bug :)
Amr Elsadr-NCSG
43:40
Host get to cut the queue, Matt. :-)
Marika Konings
43:46
Hopefully a bug, Matt, but you may all welcome it as a feature ;-)
Amr Elsadr-NCSG
43:52
*Hosts
Milton Mueller-NCSG
47:41
probably individual lobbying sessions with constituencies should be avoided
Stephanie Perrin-NCSG
49:22
testing. Apologies for being late.
andrea.glandon
49:35
Welcome, Stephanie. We can see your chat.
Stephanie Perrin-NCSG
49:54
Great, thanks Andrea! This will take a bit of getting used to....
andrea.glandon
51:06
You’re welcome! Yes, I’m sure we will all be pros soon :)
Terri Agnew
51:46
if the person also joined via zoom, can you identify who joined on telephone number ended in 9923?
Berry Cobb
54:45
You can also find it here on the Wiki. https://community.icann.org/display/EOTSFGRD/EPDP+Team+Statement+of+Participation+-+Phase+2
Amr Elsadr (NCSG)
55:05
@Janis: Would it be appropriate to comment on some of your opening remarks right now?
Georgios Tselentis
55:28
yes that's Georgios
Terri Agnew
55:49
Wonderful, thanks Georgios
Berry Cobb
56:21
Link to Mind Map if you wish to follow along seperately. https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/105388008/EPDP%20Team%20Phase%202%20-%20upd%2010%20March%202019.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1556060745000&api=v2
Berry Cobb
57:42
Link to this presentation: https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/105388034/EPDP%20Meeting%20%231%20-%20scope%20-%2030%20April%202019.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1556803906000&api=v2
Alan Greenberg (ALAC)
01:01:55
No presentation in Zoom. Still seeing agenda.
Terri Agnew
01:02:01
@J
Terri Agnew
01:02:14
@Alan, hoover mouse towards top of screen
Alan Greenberg (ALAC)
01:02:44
Ahh, ok
Alan Greenberg (ALAC)
01:03:07
"View Options"
Terri Agnew
01:03:28
correct
Julf Helsingius (NCSG)
01:04:28
Same here
Julf Helsingius (NCSG)
01:04:52
My "view options" only has 3 choices, none of them helpful
Stephanie Perrin (NCSG)
01:04:56
is there a way of getting scroll control?
Terri Agnew
01:05:17
@Julf, do you not see option to select marks’ screen?
Terri Agnew
01:05:35
@Stephanie, scroll is no longer available in zoom but you can bring up the document seperate
Alex Deacon (IPC)
01:05:40
worksheets are here https://community.icann.org/display/EOTSFGRD/b.+Worksheets
Stephanie Perrin (NCSG)
01:06:00
Thanks Terri
Terri Agnew
01:06:03
@Julf - do you see view options/ view screens?
Julf Helsingius (NCSG)
01:06:28
@Terri - no
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
01:08:42
can we download what is shared?
Amr Elsadr (NCSG)
01:09:02
@Hadia: You need to download documents from the wiki.
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
01:09:42
Fine- I just wanted to know what we are capable of doing using zoom
Amr Elsadr (NCSG)
01:10:16
You could download displayed docs from AC rooms, because they were uploaded in to them. Not the case with Zoom, unfortunately.
Amr Elsadr (NCSG)
01:10:39
Did I lose audio?
Terri Agnew
01:10:44
@Hadia, another option to download is in the chat window where you chat, select the more button (to the right) and select - share file in meeting
Marika Konings (ICANN Org)
01:12:57
If you have not seen the email that Amr is referring to, please see https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-epdp-team/2019-May/001882.html
Berry Cobb
01:14:34
Most recent Members & Alternates list. We still await a few designations of primary and alternates. https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=105387920
Marc Anderson (RySG)
01:14:56
The Registries Stakeholder Group is committed to participating actively and in good faith to develop appropriate consensus policy recommendations around access to non-public registration data per our charter and to ensuring such recommendations provide a clear path to compliance with the GDPR, are commercially reasonable and implementable, take into account our differing business models, and do not inhibit innovation. We agree that developing a responsible and reasonable timeline and milestones are important to ensuring a comprehensive approach to the important work of Phase 2, however we note that this is something we will need to discuss within our stakeholder group to ensure proper resourcing is available.
Amr Elsadr (NCSG)
01:15:07
I saw Marc’s raised hand move to the top. Woohoooo!!
Mark Svancarek (BC) (MSFT)
01:15:33
:)
Milton Mueller (NCSG)
01:15:51
I see James under it. So the system works ;-)
Thomas Rickert tablet - ISPCP
01:17:35
All, we do not have an ISPCP statement to make at this stage, bit we are llok
Alan Greenberg (ALAC)
01:17:46
Problem is when you raise your own hand, you do not move, so a person cannot tell where they are in the queue.
Thomas Rickert tablet - ISPCP
01:18:31
looking forward to working with you all in a collegial manner towards a solution compliant with GDPR.
Amr Elsadr (NCSG)
01:18:37
That voice doesn’t sound like James to me.
Thomas Rickert tablet - ISPCP
01:19:23
it’s zoomed in
Amr Elsadr (NCSG)
01:19:50
:-)
Stephanie Perrin (NCSG)
01:20:51
how can we tell who is speaking?
Marika Konings (ICANN Org)
01:21:04
Microphone is showing green on my end?
James Bladel (RrSG)
01:21:18
@Amr - IJust getting over a cold. :(
Amr Elsadr (NCSG)
01:21:34
Sorry to hear it. Get well, James.
Stephanie Perrin (NCSG)
01:21:44
where is it showing green?
Margie Milam (BC)
01:22:02
I'll speak for the BC
andrea.glandon
01:22:05
@Stephanie, look at Alex’s microphone to the right of his name
Marika Konings (ICANN Org)
01:22:10
the microphone on the right moves a green color up and down when someone is speaking.
andrea.glandon
01:22:13
Can you see if showing green when he speaks?
Thomas Rickert tablet - ISPCP
01:22:32
I cannot talk at this stage, sp please just take my brief input from the chat.
Stephanie Perrin (NCSG)
01:23:35
ok so we have to keep the participants screen open, and scroll down the 46 participants to see whose mic is green ( I realize that sounds like a whine, it really is just a question…..adobe is easier because it pops people up to the top)
Marika Konings (ICANN Org)
01:24:21
@Stephanie - as long as the speaker has his/her hand up, you should also see it on the top (just below the hosts, like in Adobe Connect)
Alan Greenberg (ALAC)
01:24:32
@Stephanie, Alex is at top (after hosts) on my screen. What platform are you using?
Stephanie Perrin (NCSG)
01:25:12
I am on a mac air, on zoom
Chris Lewis-Evans (GAC)
01:26:52
@Stephanie i have a little floating box saying who is talking.
Amr Elsadr (NCSG)
01:27:16
Yup. I see that floating box too.
Ashley Heineman (GAC)
01:31:17
am i muted?
Berry Cobb
01:31:17
@Milton - articles 35, 84. What were the others?
Amr Elsadr (NCSG)
01:31:51
@Berry: Article 35, along with Recital 84 and 89 through 97 (I think).
Berry Cobb
01:32:03
Thank you sir.
Amr Elsadr (NCSG)
01:32:14
My pleasure. :-)
Ashley Heineman (GAC)
01:37:16
https://gac.icann.org/contentMigrated/gac-response-to-icann-board-regarding-epdp-phase-1-policy-recommendations
Ashley Heineman (GAC)
01:37:45
https://gac.icann.org/advice/itemized/2019-03-14-whois-and-data-protection-legislation
Alan Greenberg (ALAC)
01:38:13
Benedict is on membership list, but thought I saw a resignation.
Amr Elsadr (NCSG)
01:38:16
@Ashley: Thanks for those links.
Terri Agnew
01:38:38
Benedict has asked to stay as a member until a replacement has been found.
Berry Cobb
01:38:40
@Alan - true. He asked to be listed until a replacement is announced.
Alan Greenberg (ALAC)
01:38:56
Ahh. ok
Amr Elsadr (NCSG)
01:41:25
Just wanted to note that I thought we dropped use of the word “access”, and opted to go with “disclosure”. Been hearing “access” again today.
Ashley Heineman (GAC)
01:42:00
depends on who is talking really. for third parties it is still getting access. Contracted parties are disclosing. right?
Amr Elsadr (NCSG)
01:43:01
I thought 3rd parties are also meant to seek disclosure of registration data. Not perpetual access.
Milton Mueller (NCSG)
01:43:11
third parties are seeking disclosure, not access, if “access” means a blanket and open access to all info in the RDS
Milton Mueller (NCSG)
01:43:28
Disclosure means a specific party’s registration data, as I understand it
Ashley Heineman (GAC)
01:43:31
I don't see requsting access as "perpetual."
Milton Mueller (NCSG)
01:43:38
good
Milton Mueller (NCSG)
01:44:42
But aren’t they really requesting the disclosure of specific registration data?
Berry Cobb
01:44:53
Link to legal advice received during phase 1: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=105386422
Amr Elsadr (NCSG)
01:45:02
@Ashley: We might have the same thing in mind then, but using different words. At least I hope so. :-)
Margie Milam (BC)
01:48:34
I have to drive so I'll drop online but will remain on the phone
Brian King (IPC)
01:49:00
Could use some time to re-review the memos
Brian King (IPC)
01:49:03
Not much time
Brian King (IPC)
01:49:06
but some
Amr Elsadr (NCSG)
01:49:13
@Brian: +1
Terri Agnew
01:49:25
@Margie, noted (telephone only)
Brian King (IPC)
01:50:56
One question about these memos: is there an attorney-client relationship between ICANN Org and Birdies?
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
01:51:31
sure
Brian King (IPC)
01:51:31
or between the EPDP team and Bird & Bird? or not at all? It's helpful to know who their client is.
Amr Elsadr (NCSG)
01:51:33
Sounds good, Janis.
Amr Elsadr (NCSG)
01:52:45
@Brian: Again…, +1. :-) When a law firm was contracted to assist the RDS PDP, the client was the PDP WG, not ICANN. Would be a good thing to get clarity on that in our case. Especially if “Birdies” are contracted with ICANN on other issues, and whether or not, that presents any CoI?
Stephanie Perrin (NCSG)
01:53:02
Good question Brian. In my view, there is a conflict. ICANN org did use Bird and Bird during the last phase.
Farzaneh Badii (NCSG)
01:55:12
they did? I thought Birdies were selected by EPDP leaders
Berry Cobb
01:55:14
@Brian and others - The B&B engagement was a shared resource and determined during Phase 1 as to assist with cost optimization and the hopeful avoidance of conflicting advice. This was considered a lesson learned when the community sought legal advice during the CCWG-Accountability.
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
01:55:46
sound is back again
James Bladel (RrSG)
01:56:30
Yes, I lost audio for a bit also.
Brian King (IPC)
01:57:52
@Berry, so ICANN org has an attorney-client relationship with Birdies?
Berry Cobb
01:59:03
We'll take that as an action for ICANN org to come back on.
Ayden Férdeline (NCSG) (2)
01:59:06
Good question Brian
Brian King (IPC)
01:59:22
@Berry, thank you.
Stephanie Perrin (NCSG)
02:01:10
I believe someone from ICANN legal confirmed that situation on a previous face to face meeting, possibly Toronto…
Matt Serlin (RrSG)
02:02:08
+1 Amr…I was going to voice my hesitation of having parallel paths and efforts going on related to this
Milton Mueller (NCSG)
02:02:31
Agree with Amr
Kristina Rosette RySG (Amazon Registry)
02:02:40
Agree with Amr.
Julf Helsingius (NCSG)
02:02:52
+1
Alan Woods (RYSG)
02:02:57
+1
Chris Lewis-Evans (GAC)
02:04:08
+1 Alex
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
02:04:17
+1 Alex
Alan Greenberg (ALAC)
02:04:17
[Agree with ALex.
Ayden Férdeline (NCSG) (2)
02:04:40
+1 Alex
Farzaneh Badii (NCSG)
02:05:11
Well ICANN has been running a parallel process for quite some time now
Farzaneh Badii (NCSG)
02:05:37
It’s parallel because we don’t know what they are discussing and how they raise issues.
Matt Serlin (RrSG)
02:05:38
Given what Ashley just said about ICANN getting clarification on the UAM model, would it make sense for us to tackle the other Phase 2 issues first while the UAM questions are being sorted out?
Amr Elsadr (NCSG)
02:06:36
@Matt: That sounds sensible to me.
Farzaneh Badii (NCSG)
02:06:53
but posing questions and framing them are of utmost important. Why can’t ICANN just work with EPDP to get such clarifications.
Thomas Rickert tablet - ISPCP
02:07:25
i doubt we will get input from the authorities unless we outline what it could loook like and ask specific questions
Alex Deacon (IPC)
02:07:53
@matt - it depends on what “other phase 2 issues” mean. i wouldn’t support delaying discussions on UAM/access/whatever (charter questions a, b, c, etc).
Brian King (IPC)
02:08:46
I need to jump for an internal call
Farzaneh Badii (NCSG)
02:08:49
if you form a group please consider that we do not tolerate imbalance of reps between CSG and NCSG. It keeps happening to us and it’s unacceptable
Brian King (IPC)
02:08:51
Thanks, all. Good to be back.
Ashley Heineman (GAC)
02:08:52
+1 Alex
Ayden Férdeline (NCSG) (2)
02:09:36
+1 Farzaneh - extremely important point - we must maintain the carefully constructed balance in our membership composition
Farzaneh Badii (NCSG)
02:09:45
Also CEO asking questions and clarification and having ideas for “diminishing liability of Cps” is nothing but running a parallel process. Don’t know for how long we want to say the contrary
Farzaneh Badii (NCSG)
02:11:02
I agree with Stephanie. This parallel process running by org is a policy process and nothing else. They did a technical group, now they are asking some “questions” with no consultation with us .
Mark Svancarek (BC) (MSFT)
02:11:12
If number of reps is seen as imbalanced, it would make more sense to add additional NCSG reps than reduce number of CSG reps
Farzaneh Badii (NCSG)
02:11:33
That’s fine Mark. Just saying there should not be imbalance. Equal number of reps.
Mark Svancarek (BC) (MSFT)
02:11:52
thx
Amr Elsadr (NCSG)
02:12:01
@Stephanie: +1
Farzaneh Badii (NCSG)
02:12:15
+1 Stephanie
Alan Greenberg (ALAC)
02:12:52
What may price domains out of the market is if contracted parties have to hire hoards of lawyers to handle the number of requests some of them get.
Milton Mueller (NCSG)
02:12:58
correct, Kristina!
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
02:13:20
how many models do you expect contracted parties to implement?
Milton Mueller (NCSG)
02:13:33
it was a mistake for ICANN’s CEO to develop one model jumping past the policy process
Alex Deacon (IPC)
02:14:21
agree to take this to the list
Kristina Rosette RySG (Amazon Registry)
02:15:08
To be clear, my request for clarification was to the EPDP team, not the CEO.
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
02:18:41
@ stephanie one of the ways to guarantee the same level of protection is to have the same technical solution. The question now is does the proposed technical solution meet the requirements. I also agree with Christina that we don't yet understand the UAM but this is because we have not yet started our work on it. It has not been defined yet.
Milton Mueller (NCSG)
02:19:11
bye all
Amr Elsadr (NCSG)
02:19:18
Thanks all. Bye.
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
02:19:21
Thank you all - bye for today
Alan Woods (RYSG)
02:19:22
bye all
James Bladel (RrSG)
02:19:25
Thx Caitlin, Janis and Staff. Bye all
Ayden Férdeline (NCSG) (2)
02:19:27
thanks all
Marc Anderson (RySG)
02:19:33
thanks all
Chris Lewis-Evans (GAC)
02:19:36
thanks all
Thomas Rickert tablet - ISPCP
02:19:40
bye all!
Ben Butler (SSAC)
02:19:43
Be well everyone
Kristina Rosette RySG (Amazon Registry)
02:19:47
thanks, all!