01:44:25 shreedeep rayamajhi: hello everyone 01:44:45 Carina Birarda: hello! 01:44:54 Joan Kerr: Hello Everyone 01:51:07 Martin Silva: Hi all 01:56:20 Carina Birarda ISOC Cyber Sec: Not for me 02:01:33 Amine Hacha: Hi All . 02:06:18 Ayden Férdeline: i suspected as much, thanks for confirming Rafik 02:13:27 stephanieperrin: when will Farzi distribute that first draft? 02:18:19 Stephanie Perrin: Hello? 02:18:38 Julf Helsingius: Yes? 02:19:01 Stephanie Perrin: ah good, was wondering because there was nothing in chat. 02:19:11 Julf Helsingius: Just lazy fingers... 02:19:17 Stephanie Perrin: Lots of people on the call but no chat showing. thanks Julf! 02:21:50 Ayden Férdeline: unfortunately Zoom does not show the chat history before one joins the call 02:22:12 Collin Kurre: Yes we can 02:22:40 Ayden Férdeline: i have lost audio - did anyone else? 02:22:52 Ayden Férdeline: audio returns... 02:23:48 Julf Helsingius: audio fine here 02:24:12 Stephanie Perrin: audio is spotty for me, was thinking i was doing something wrong (seemed to be synchronized with me trying to raise my hand. I am still clumsy with this interface, I am afraid 02:26:33 Rafik Dammak: https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2019-05-07-en 02:27:00 Ayden Férdeline: it is in 2 hours 02:27:02 Ayden Férdeline: actually 02:27:12 Ayden Férdeline: just after this call... 02:31:33 Stephanie Perrin: please let me know if my hand is still showing up. 02:31:51 Julf Helsingius: nope 02:31:52 Collin Kurre: It’s down :) 02:32:00 Stephanie Perrin: Thanks Collin! 02:33:46 Poomjit Sirawongprasert: Sorry have to leave, my internet connection is poor. 02:33:50 Ayden Férdeline: I think it is only one stream meeting every week, with the second stream meeting twice a month 02:34:11 Ayden Férdeline: but agree w/ Stephanie, in practice we might end up having weekly meetings... 02:37:14 Stephanie Perrin: Kathy has her hand up 02:40:59 Kathy Kleiman: Tx Stephanie! 02:41:08 Kathy Kleiman: If you need help... 02:41:31 Stephanie Perrin: Yes we definitely will and it might require a campaign… 02:41:44 Kathy Kleiman: Martin? 02:41:48 Kathy Kleiman: do you want to lead? 02:43:38 Martin Silva: Sorry had to step out for a second 02:44:18 Martin Silva: Didn't hear the question but the answer seemed appropriate! 02:44:28 Martin Silva: Thanks for stepping in 02:44:37 Kathy Kleiman: Updating on RPM WG 02:44:44 Martin Silva: Perfect 02:47:42 Kathy Kleiman: SubPro is a huge WG -- and one whose rules are likely to be in place for many years. I would like to know more about how we can protect the Global South... 02:48:45 Kathy Kleiman: Me too - I'm worried too. 02:49:48 Elsa Saade: it is worrying! i remember how many comments brian was entertaining about how the multistakeholder model doesnt work anymore 02:50:44 Ayden Férdeline: +1 Stephanie. Review Teams have seemingly bottomless access to resources... 02:50:52 Collin Kurre: I him making very positive comments about the Healthy Domains Initiative at RightsCon a few years back. Remember that? Pharma + online child abuse + phishing (+ copyright)? 02:52:14 Collin Kurre: Perhaps he’s well suited for this role, and he’s sure not afraid of a challenge! But I still find the equation of those things problematic 02:52:36 Stephanie Perrin: will do! 02:53:06 Louise Marie Hurel: Yep + Tatiana 02:53:10 Louise Marie Hurel: +1* 02:53:11 Kathy Kleiman: Too much on our plate! 02:53:19 Elsa Saade: also how “public consultations” suddenly appeared 02:53:20 Ayden Férdeline: move to Zoom another example of top-down decision making without community input 02:53:33 Kathy Kleiman: +1 Tatiana. 02:53:58 Ayden Férdeline: and see changes to CROP, we have next to no money to allocate ourselves and must beg GSE to fund things at their sole discretion 02:54:16 Kathy Kleiman: +1 Collin - Brian is not the person to be leading this effort. 02:54:26 Stephanie Perrin: plenty of bad things have been done in good faith 02:55:06 BEKONO: I agree with you Tatiana 02:55:09 Kathy Kleiman: are we proposing to do anything? 02:55:13 Kathy Kleiman: :-) 02:55:17 Stephanie Perrin: This is a complex issue to get our arms around. We need a little working group. 02:56:29 Stephanie Perrin: It sounds like if we had a rep from each of the activities we are doing (sub pro, HR, EPDP, WHOIS review, CCC review etc) we could caucus with our councillors and figure out a paper to present. 02:56:58 Tatiana Tropina: and again +1 to Collin, thanks for reminding us about that one 02:57:45 Kathy Kleiman: Good idea, Stephanie! 02:58:00 Louise Marie Hurel: Abu dhabi 02:58:05 Louise Marie Hurel: post-abu dhabi 02:58:17 Louise Marie Hurel: if I’m not mistaken 02:58:23 Stephanie Perrin: yes and we never really got the analysis of that mess 02:58:42 Louise Marie Hurel: Probably after this meeting 02:58:50 Louise Marie Hurel: the report 02:58:56 Collin Kurre: We should also consider this in the broader context of overstretched resources. The inability of the community to keep up with the numerous and changing demands is well-documented. Beyond the usual public comments, we’re expected to have eyes on the various extra-procedural groups and decisions as well. It’s inappropriate for ICANN Org to go at it alone with this new MS model revamp, but I question how we can dedicate the time and attention this warrants while keeping the other proverbial balls in the air. 02:59:53 Stephanie Perrin: actually I think the expectation is we will be too busy to have eyes on the extra-procedural decisions, but perhaps I am too cynical. 03:00:04 Stephanie Perrin: Draws attention to the burnout problem. 03:00:46 Collin Kurre: Remember that the MS model is the source of ICANN’s legitimacy. A radical (but not very constructive) idea would be to boycott formal processes until there is sufficient clarity on the path forward to allow for the necessary prioritization of scarce resources. 03:01:33 Collin Kurre: I’ll keep thinking, though. Surely there’s a better way 03:02:22 Ekue Farell Folly: Stephanie, you are pretty right. It came to my mind yesterday that that could be an ICANN strategy to keep us busy on many things while they use that opportunity to conduct extra procedural decisions 03:02:27 Kathy Kleiman: Every change I have seen in the last few years in ICANN strengthens the contracted parties. 03:03:42 Stephanie Perrin: I think boycott is not crazy Collin, although it it pretty risky…. 03:03:57 Tatiana Tropina: Collin, that would be a real coup! 03:04:09 Rafik Dammak: Les absents ont toujours tort 03:04:14 Stephanie Perrin: It is wise to remember that we are short of allies, aways have been and I don’t see that changing. 03:04:54 Elsa Saade: i kind of had a feeling we had good allies in the CPH during our last meeting concerning EPDP for instance? 03:04:57 Tatiana Tropina: my only worry here is how At Large can play into legitimacy because if we stop everything policy-related, there is still CS as a part of At Large (okay not in policy but policy is open) 03:05:44 avri doria: If you boycott there is a chance some people will just assume you do not care any more. 03:05:49 Stephanie Perrin: Good job Louise! 03:05:57 Tatiana Tropina: Elsa, CPH is a good ally. When the interests align. Even CSG could be an ally sometimes. But I really think that alliances are a very flexible thing, always 03:06:18 Elsa Saade: open WGs are being scrutinized in pdp3.0 btw 03:06:40 Tatiana Tropina: Yes but if we move to EPDP model there will be ACs as a part 03:07:30 Tatiana Tropina: I doubt we will have close WGs without inclusion of ACs. It already happened in EPDP, precedent set. Plus, the general sentiment is that we have to do it. I was against, but I shut up already. 03:07:32 Stephanie Perrin: NCUC has been focusing on these issues more than NPOC, I think, is the short answer to that question 03:08:50 Ayden Férdeline: thanks all 03:08:52 Elsa Saade: thanks Rafik! 03:08:53 Collin Kurre: Agree with folks that any type of boycott would be extreme and anti-social to boot. I don’t think it’s a path forward, it just sprung up because I was thinking about how the multistakeholder can’t exist without participation from civil society and non-commercials, but if demands outstrip resources this participation may be rendered moot 03:09:03 Tatiana Tropina: thanks rafik and all, great call, and great discussions 03:09:25 Ekue Farell Folly: Thanks Rafik, thanks all for this meeting. 03:09:25 Stephanie Perrin: Yes thanks everyone! 03:09:26 Collin Kurre: anyways, thanks everyone! Have a nice rest of day 03:09:26 Julf Helsingius: Thanks Rafik and all! 03:09:28 avri doria: bye 03:09:30 Poncelet Ileleji: Thanks Rafik, much appreciated great meeting bye all 03:09:33 Louise Marie Hurel: Thanks bye 03:09:35 Bukola Oronti: Thank you all. It was a nice period and discussions 03:09:38 Bukola Oronti: bye 03:09:39 Maryam Bakoshi: Thanks all 03:09:41 Vrikson Acosta: bye everyone 03:09:45 Stu Reid: Thank you