00:40:49 Amr Elsadr: Hello Maryam and all. 00:41:00 Elsa Saade: hey everyone! 00:41:15 Tatiana Tropina: Hi all 00:41:25 poncelet: Hi All 00:41:26 Bolutife Adisa: Hi everyone! 00:42:29 Maryam Bakoshi: Welcome all to the NCSG Policy Call on Wednesday 18 September 2019 at 1200 UTC 00:45:11 Maryam Bakoshi: https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2019/agenda/agenda-council-19sep19-en.pdf 00:45:23 Rafik Dammak: https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Documents+19+September+2019 00:45:44 Arsene Tungali: hello every one 00:46:01 Yusif Amadu: hi everyone 00:46:07 Yusif Amadu: just joined 00:47:20 Maryam Bakoshi: Welcome Yusif 00:47:47 farzaneh B: hi all. i am only listening in. sorry if I am not that active on this call 00:48:30 Amr Elsadr: Someone needs to mute their line. 00:48:30 Arsene Tungali: noted, farzi 00:48:47 Arsene Tungali: I will also have to drop in an hour or so to join another meeting 00:49:14 Vrikson Acosta: Hi everyone 00:51:05 Amr Elsadr: Proposed GNSO Council Response to CCT Review Team Recommendations: https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/proposed-council-response-cct-review-team-recommendations-30aug19-en.pdf 00:54:16 Amr Elsadr: My only comment would be that rec#10 by the CCT-RT is kinda nuts, assuming I understand it correctly. Good proposed response from the GNSO Council. 00:58:51 Maryam Bakoshi: https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/transfer-policy-review-briefing-13sep19-en.pdf 00:59:02 Maryam Bakoshi: GNSO Transfer Policy Review: https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/transfer-policy-review-briefing-13sep19-en.pdf 01:00:45 farzaneh B: oh Kabir, happy belated birthday 01:03:42 Amr Elsadr: Don’t any of our other councilors want to take over briefings on some of these topics? To give Rafik an audio break? 01:09:22 farzaneh B: ooh weird voice! 01:12:31 farzaneh B: immunity from courts? thats just not gonna happen 01:14:17 farzaneh B: that’s just caving into GAC . it should not set a precedent 01:14:24 Elsa Saade: we talked a lot about how this decision sets a precedent before gnso council made the decision 01:14:58 farzaneh B: so did you vote on it? how was the decision made? 01:15:44 Elsa Saade: yea there was a gnso council vote on igo-ingo recomms 01:15:59 Elsa Saade: post board comments 01:16:03 farzaneh B: how did our councilors vote 01:16:35 Tatiana Tropina: we voted to approve 1-4 recommendations which was already making GAC unhappy 01:17:15 Tatiana Tropina: and of course we were advocating for approving them all 01:17:34 Amr Elsadr: My issue right now is not with what happened with the earlier recommendations. 01:17:38 Elsa Saade: there were 3 suggestions: approve all (which we were calling for), reject all, or 1-4 approval and 5 deferral 01:18:00 Amr Elsadr: It’s more that new recommendations can go ahead and supersede the recommendations (1-4) that have already been adopted. 01:18:12 Elsa Saade: no that should not happen 01:18:40 Tatiana Tropina: yes we can hear you 01:18:51 Elsa Saade: and that’s why we should be careful about the addendum’s vagueness 01:20:14 Tatiana Tropina: thanks Amp super helpful 01:20:24 Tatiana Tropina: Amr even 01:20:43 Tatiana Tropina: sorry for my typing and typos 01:21:11 Amr Elsadr: Sometimes, Amr is Amped up, so no worries. ;-) 01:23:46 Elsa Saade: we’ve done it over and over again but it hasnt changed much Farz 01:24:32 Elsa Saade: especially on the igo ingo issue 01:24:55 farzaneh B: you need a strategy. 01:25:34 Elsa Saade: not just section 3 01:25:39 Elsa Saade: all of it needs review 01:26:01 Elsa Saade: although Amr’s suggestions are always great ;) 01:26:08 Tatiana Tropina: Elsa, yes, we say everything again and again, we position ourselves against — what else can we do on the council? saying strategy strategy will not create a new strategy. 01:26:45 Tatiana Tropina: I loved Amr’s suggestion, super helpful and always on the spot as usual :-) 01:28:36 farzaneh B: no i can’t come up a strategy for you. sorry if my suggestion is not so helpful. I will think of something when I take my sear at the council 01:28:48 farzaneh B: seat. 01:28:50 Amr Elsadr: @Carlos: To my knowledge, the IPC has been resisting inclusion of any IGO/INGO protections in any RPMs. 01:29:13 Amr Elsadr: So their interests should be aligned with what I believe ours should be. 01:29:24 Tatiana Tropina: Farz, I don’t mind strategy. It’s just what you said we said on the Council many times so I don’t see how this would change things 01:29:26 farzaneh B: i have to leave now. bye 01:30:00 Tatiana Tropina: if you have any new idea how to resist that doesn’t involve sharp objects, you are welcome. Otherwise we were very vocal and said many times what you said on this call 01:31:22 Amr Elsadr: On previous Councils, there were attempts to get the GAC more (properly) engaged with GNSO PDPs. A lot of work was done on this, which was actually coordinated with the GAC. Then they basically ditched it all, and decided they prefer their loopholes. 01:31:52 Amr Elsadr: But that’s a broader issue. Right now, would be good to just focus on this proposed draft charter amendment. 01:32:11 Tatiana Tropina: Amp, I was actually super much against involvement of GAC at all. Then I realised I was wrong and we need to engage with them. But then there’s this loophole strategy. 01:32:26 Tatiana Tropina: and yes it is a broader issue that we bring up again and again and again 01:34:01 Tatiana Tropina: we can 01:40:21 Rafik Dammak: "An EPDP may be initiated by the GNSO Council only in the following specific circumstances: (1) to address a narrowly defined policy issue that was identified and scoped after either the adoption of a GNSO policy recommendation by the ICANN Board or the implementation of such an adopted recommendation; or (2) to provide new or additional policy recommendations on a specific policy issue that had been substantially scoped previously, such that extensive, pertinent background information already exists, e.g. (a) in an Issue Report for a possible PDP that was not initiated; (b) as part of a previous PDP that was not completed; or (c) through other projects such as a GGP. The EPDP should not be used as a tool to reopen a previously explored policy issue only because a constituency or stakeholder group was not satisfied with the outcome of a previously held process on the same policy issue, unless the circumstances have changed and/or new information is available." 01:41:07 Amr Elsadr: @Rafik: Understood, but this should be easy to address, but has been on the Council agenda for a few months now, and is still not resolved. 01:47:40 Maryam Bakoshi: https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/epdp-gtld-registration-data-specs-final-20feb19-en.pdf 01:53:38 poncelet: I concur with @Amr 01:53:58 Amr Elsadr: @Rafik: Right. 01:56:14 poncelet: Thanks for the clarity @Amr 01:56:23 Amr Elsadr: Thanks, Poncelet. 01:58:13 tatianatropina: sorry all, my internet disappeared somehow. Hope I didn’t create any noise with unmuting while trying to reconnect :-) 02:00:33 Rafik Dammak: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iCi08gUMdwERcwwHT9C5DIYApz91SEU8LrjsvToMNZk/edit?pli=1#gid=1965278072 02:01:12 Amr Elsadr: Welcome back, Tanya. 02:03:22 avri doria: after PDP 3.0, will there be further PDP x? 02:03:34 Rafik Dammak: No idea 02:03:55 Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: do like apple, and skip numbers, straight to PDP X ;) 02:04:34 tatianatropina: even iPhone got Xs and Xr after :-) 02:05:49 Amr Elsadr: Burper: Better out than in, right? ;-) 02:06:31 Amr Elsadr: @Rafik: Thanks. 02:09:51 Rafik Dammak: We are hearing NYC background from Elsa 02:13:41 Amr Elsadr: “To some extent”?! 02:13:48 Elsa Saade: lol 02:18:52 avri doria: so there are no policy concerns that should motivate the board's decision? 02:21:26 Kathy Kleiman: Agree with Amr. 02:21:57 Elsa Saade: i couldn’t hear Amr through 02:22:16 Amr Elsadr: I believe there are, Avri. For one thing, I don’t believe transition to “thick” whois should take place until some form of data protection agreements exist between VS, ICANN and registrars, but this is actually true for all “thick” registries. Not unique to VS. 02:22:54 Amr Elsadr: I also wouldn’t count on the legal advice from Bird and Bird on this, although I suspect that is a somewhat politically incorrect thing to say. ;-) 02:23:15 avri doria: Amr is what you are saying consistent with the letter? I am reading the letter and did not see the correspondance.. 02:25:11 Amr Elsadr: Yeah, pretty much, Elsa. Just added a few more thoughts on why a deferral would be a good thing. 02:26:32 Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: I missed a few mins earlier, so maybe it was discussed, but: do we know when the Board will make up their mind re the "repopulating" of IRP IOT? 02:26:58 tatianatropina: all, am super sorry for having to leave 15 min earlier. Rafik and all — thanks for yet another great pre-GNSO meeting discussion 02:27:19 Farell Folly: Dear all, I've got leave you. Apologies. 02:27:41 Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: Ok thx 02:29:39 Farell Folly: Very Interesting discussion and inputs from Amr 02:30:24 dave: I also was not at F2F 02:30:53 Roli: Hi everyone... I am Roli. This is my first GNSO Council Call and I learnt a bit. I hope to attend some more to catch up such that I can contribute. 02:31:46 Amr Elsadr: Hi Roli, and welcome to the call. Please do keep coming back, and if you have any questions, please don’t hesitate to ask. 02:32:03 Elsa Saade: welcome Roli! 02:32:23 Elsa Saade: i echo Amr! don’t hesitate to ask any questions 02:32:38 Rafik Dammak: thanks Roli for joining 02:34:54 Claire Craig: Sorry I have to leave the meeting now. I'm hoping to volunteer later this year or early 2020. 02:35:49 Amr Elsadr: Thanks, Kathy. 02:35:59 Amr Elsadr: Re: SubPro…, NOOOOOO!!!! 02:36:05 Elsa Saade: loool 02:36:50 Roli: Thank you people... I hope to keep coming back as I am interested in privacy and copyright issues :) 02:37:43 avri doria: there is also the GPI document that invites comment 02:38:47 Rafik Dammak: @avri I dont see it in the public comments page? 02:39:22 Rafik Dammak: But I know it was communicated through the SO/AC leaders newsletter 02:39:49 avri doria: it isn't a public comment yet. it is a SOAc/SG/RALOC/& consultation. 02:39:54 Vrikson Acosta: Bye everyone 02:40:08 Elsa Saade: Rafik thank you so much for moderating! 02:40:39 avri doria: Details at https://go.icann.org/2kMb7RB 02:40:49 Elsa Saade: thanks Avri! 02:41:02 Amr Elsadr: Thanks all. Bye. 02:41:04 avri doria: that is on the upcoming GPI Webinar. 02:41:23 Elsa Saade: thank you all, bye! 02:41:24 Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: bye everyone 02:41:29 Olga Kyryliuk: Thanks, bye 02:41:30 Roli: thank you :)