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GNSO Council SPS 2022 - Shared screen with speaker view
Terri Agnew - ICANN Org
22:53
Please review ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior here: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2016-06-28-en
Tomslin Samme-Nlar
23:09
Greetings everyone
Anne Aikman-Scalese
23:54
Greetings Tomslin and everyone!
Tomslin Samme-Nlar
24:25
I might not be able to speak much since it is school drop offs time at my end. So will be listening while driving sometimes
Nathalie Peregrine - ICANN Org
24:52
Thanks Tomslin, noted
Sebastien Ducos - GNSO/RySG
26:20
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/1/folders/1JnhbB5ADwpX9iHWyahWrDn60xJvTw_Z1
Anne Aikman-Scalese
36:49
The Operating Procedures contain a nice chart of the voting threshold requirements.
Jeff Neuman
38:16
I am only slightly offended :)
Jeff Neuman
38:59
Lol
Anne Aikman-Scalese
39:58
@Jeff - I thought we were talking about the GAC liaison to the Council versus the Council liaison to the GAC?
Jeff Neuman
40:54
There is no GAC Liaison to the GNSO. Jorge is a point of co tact but not liaison.
Marika Konings - ICANN Org
40:56
@Anne - there is currently no GAC liaison to the Council. I think in a far past there has been one, but if I recall well, the GAC decided not to have a liaison because only the GAC Chair can speak for the GAC.
Anne Aikman-Scalese
41:49
Ok thank you. I was thinking of Jorge but I guess he's not an official "Liaison".
Paul D. McGrady
42:47
Thanks Seb! Yes, we may vote in our own name, but it is really important that we have feedback from everyone (which is why I always ask!). Always happy to listen!
Desiree Miloshevic
44:15
A NomCom appointee if not belonging to any constituency may get less information than others on GNSO that are part of 2 Houses
Sebastien Ducos - GNSO/RySG
47:15
@Anne - Jorge is the GAC’s liaison to the GNSO. In the graph we had our GNSO Liaisons to the ALAC, ccNSO or GAC.
Kurt Pritz
51:50
Are guidelines really guidelines (meaning there can be a departure from them depending on the situation): or they rules (meaning they must be followed)?
Marika Konings - ICANN Org
52:48
Correct, the timelines are included in the Bylaws
Anne Aikman-Scalese
53:19
I think of EC Powers as the 3 Bs - power over (1) Board of Directors recall, (2) Budget approval, and (3) ByLaws amendments. Is that correct?
Marika Konings - ICANN Org
54:03
What is in the Bylaws is what is required - some of what is in the guidelines is derived from that, other aspects are to assist the Council in working towards those timelines and requirements.
Jeff Neuman
54:23
To be fair, these powers were designed not to be used.
Julie Hedlund - ICANN Org
55:29
See “Guidelines and Templates that Help the GNSO Fulfill Its Role & Obligation as a Decisional Participant in the Empowered Community” at https://gnso.icann.org/en/council/procedures
Kurt Pritz
56:12
Is the GNSO role in the empowered community going to be discussed in the SPS
Mark Datysgeld
57:03
In practice the EC is a concept
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:00:46
Could we have a live link to the GNSO Chair Handbook?
Berry Cobb - ICANN Org
01:01:14
https://go.icann.org/consensus
Marika Konings - ICANN Org
01:01:15
https://gnso.icann.org/en/council/gnso-handbook-17nov20-en.pdf
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:02:57
Thanks Marika!
Marika Konings - ICANN Org
01:03:34
The role description for liaisons can be found here: https://gnso.icann.org/en/council/gnso-liaison-wg-28sep21-en.pdf
Jeff Neuman
01:04:54
To clarify, these are for PDP liaisons not structural ones lol GAC an ALAC
Marika Konings - ICANN Org
01:06:59
For structural liaisons, the Bylaws include the following: “There may also be liaisons to the GNSO Council from other ICANN Supporting Organizations and/or Advisory Committees, from time to time. The appointing organisation shall designate, revoke, or change its liaison on the GNSO Council by providing written notice to the Chair of the GNSO Council and to the ICANN Secretary. Liaisons shall not be members of or entitled to vote, to make or second motions, or to serve as an officer on the GNSO Council, but otherwise liaisons shall be entitled to participate on equal footing with members of the GNSO Council”.
Mark Datysgeld
01:07:18
Thank you Greg and John
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:11:53
How has Council dealt with Liaison to ODP?
Sebastien Ducos - GNSO/RySG
01:13:33
Good question @Anne. Can you re-ask it during the wrap up part of the call?
Marika Konings - ICANN Org
01:13:42
@Anne - I think for both liaisons the Council developed an expression of interest document that outlined the expectations. See, for example, for the SubPro ODP Liaison: https://gnso.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-31aug21-en.htm.
Mark Datysgeld
01:16:46
We are spoiled with so many great staff members.
Osvaldo Novoa
01:17:41
That's right Mark!
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:17:56
Thanks Marika. That's very clear. Separately and BTW, I note the Council now has Question Set #6 from the Sub Pro ODP and I had previously asked to join the small team for drafting responses. I had some questions on the list about Question Set #6 and was thinking Jeff may have replied?
Jeff Neuman
01:18:34
Understanding the past is important but unless barcoded in the operating procedures, we should not be afraid to try new things where allowed.
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:19:43
@Jeff - given the tight timing on the Sub Pro ODP, are you convening the small team to address Question Set #6?
Jeff Neuman
01:19:51
Anne there really is no small team. We only had one for one or two question sets.
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:20:22
There is one listed with people assigned to it. Nathalie went over that list with me in orientation.
Jeff Neuman
01:20:51
Hmmm. That’s news to me :)
Mark Datysgeld
01:20:58
Q: Can anybody who is more familiar with that please explain the architecture of an ODP?
Mark Datysgeld
01:21:10
(if anybody knows)
Marika Konings - ICANN Org
01:21:51
@Mark - you can find more information here: https://www.icann.org/odp
Jeff Neuman
01:21:53
Anne , if you have comments, just post them
Marika Konings - ICANN Org
01:22:09
And especially: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/odp-concept-paper-05mar21-en.pdf
Mark Datysgeld
01:22:35
thanks for the paper, Marika
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:22:49
jeff - my question goes to the substance of drafting a response to Question set #6. The questions looked odd because they ask about interpretation of Implementation Guidance but they recite actual "must" Recommendations approved in the Sub Pro Final Report.
Steve Chan - ICANN Org
01:23:01
@Anne @Jeff, there was indeed a small team established to review SubPro ODP questions/answers in the past, but as Jeff notes, this latest set is limited to a single point of inquiry and probably does not require spinning up the small team in this instance.
Desiree Miloshevic
01:23:13
Was there a liaison for the ODA too?
Jeff Neuman
01:23:37
I cn address at sps
Jeff Neuman
01:23:49
I am driving now :)
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:24:07
@Steve - I don't agree that Question Set 6 doesn't deserve a small team to review it.
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:25:06
@Jeff - What is the date for delivery of the Sub Pro ODA? I thought is was still December?
Jeff Neuman
01:25:26
I am happy to participate in a call if one is merited
Marika Konings - ICANN Org
01:25:27
@Desiree - are you referring to the SSAD ODP/ODA (note the ODP is the process, while the ODA is the product that is produced as a result of the ODP)?
Jeff Neuman
01:25:59
I would like to get a response to them next week
Jeff Neuman
01:26:35
Ok. Need to focus on the road :)
Desiree Miloshevic
01:26:37
@Marika yes - indeed a big difference…
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:26:49
I am readily available for a call - assume others on the small team may wish to participate.
Steve Chan - ICANN Org
01:27:10
@Anne, I didn’t mean to reach a conclusion about whether convening the small team is needed or not, just restating where things seemed to be trending. As for the SubPro ODA, target publish date is 12 Dec.
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:27:28
I also assume Council has to approve our response to the Sub Pro ODP.
Desiree Miloshevic
01:27:30
The slides do not change
Marika Konings - ICANN Org
01:27:30
@Desiree - For the SSAD ODP, Janis Karklins was the liaison
Jeff Neuman
01:28:52
@anne - council only has to approve responses if a councilor asks to put it on the agenda.
Jeff Neuman
01:29:28
In the past if the council wanted to discuss then we did
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:29:35
I think The liaison role says the liaison responds with Council authority to do so.
Desiree Miloshevic
01:29:47
@Marika yes I recall. thanks
Marika Konings - ICANN Org
01:30:09
Note that the slides of the webinar have also been posted in the SPS Google Drive
Jeff Neuman
01:30:48
Yes. Steve can you elaborate what we did for question sets 1-5
Steve Chan - ICANN Org
01:31:22
The Council established a lightweight review process for ODP question and answers. You can see that here: https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2022/draft/draft-council-review-inputs-odp-11jan22-en.pdf
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:33:41
Thanks Steve. I was referring to the "non-objection" process and it looks as though there is no way we can make the three week desired time frame for response. We definitely need to bring the small team together as soon as possible to address Question SEt 6 and get a response drafted that can be posted to the Council list.
Steve Chan - ICANN Org
01:33:44
For sets 1-3, Jeff prepared draft responses and they were approved by Council non-objection. For sets 4-5, which were more substantial in depth and length, a small team was convened to review Jeff’s draft responses in greater detail. For approval by Council, they were still approved via Council non-objection.
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:37:23
Yes - I was actively involved in commenting on those responses by providing my comments directly to Jeff before being appointed to Council. I'm familiar with the process that was followed there. Time frames are short on Question set 6 and I agree with Jeff we need to get a draft response to the Council list rapidly. I asked questions about Quastions set 6 as soon as it was posted to the Council list. We should get on this.
Steve Chan - ICANN Org
01:37:43
@Anne, I can provide an answer to your ODP-related question on list. Jeff can validate once he’s no longer driving 🙂
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:38:46
@Steve - my question is when will the small team review the question? Even if that is only via email to the small team?
Sebastien Ducos - GNSO/RySG
01:38:49
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/1/folders/1JnhbB5ADwpX9iHWyahWrDn60xJvTw_Z1
Mark Datysgeld
01:40:56
Super rested after Ethiopia 🙃
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:41:08
Question Set 6 re Implementation Guidance should not be "buried". Karen Lentz had advised that ICANN Org takes Implementation Guidance very seriously and that it should be implemented in that manner unless not feasible. The Question Set recites actual Recommendations which contain the word, "must" which has a special meaning in the Sub Pro Final Report.
Jeff Neuman
01:44:17
There is a proposed response in Google docs
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:44:46
Was that posted to the list?
Jeff Neuman
01:44:55
Yes
Jeff Neuman
01:45:13
The link was.
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:45:49
does it require a sign-in to Google docs?
Jeff Neuman
01:45:56
I can’t d send that now.
Jeff Neuman
01:46:03
Driving.
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:46:28
Steve - may I have the link and a Word draft?
Steve Chan - ICANN Org
01:47:20
Sure, will respond in email Anne.
Marika Konings - ICANN Org
01:47:24
This is the link to the google doc draft response: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fdocs.google.com*2Fdocument*2Fd*2F18C6Vulnv6V0Akyq3IeehWuSGg1TAHCYJEBGXHrAVRx8*2Fedit*3Fusp*3Dsharing&data=05*7C01*7Csebastien*40registry.godaddy*7Ce21657625e724106c3ec08dac3627c19*7Cd5f1622b14a345a6b069003f8dc4851f*7C0*7C0*7C638037126406400846*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=ME31m*2F*2BmMuhpNH8*2FqNV4*2F7i0mRSBXMF4RmR7e5JuYtg*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!PtGJab4!7YSci-Dw-JrpblDgrj0Rp8K2zy7exyPiOi3DnLKBZaJ2Yl-aFa6iMIdD3jCgmWed2u960ca4ooFAX0XZqAOFAItM0ml5ueo$
Marika Konings - ICANN Org
01:47:41
Apologies for the long link
Paul D. McGrady
01:48:21
Thankful for all of you!
Osvaldo Novoa
01:48:23
Thank you Sebastien, John, Greg and the rest of the team. Bye all.
Mark Datysgeld
01:48:26
thanks all
Nathalie Peregrine - ICANN Org
01:48:26
Thank you all!
Wisdom Donkor
01:48:35
Thank you all