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IDNs EPDP Charter Drafting Team - Shared screen with speaker view
Maxim Alzoba
27:03
Hello all
Julie Bisland
27:09
Please review ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior here: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2016-06-28-en.
Julie Bisland
27:20
Welcome Maxim!
Julie Bisland
28:39
Welcome Mark!
Edmon Chung
29:11
looks good
Mark Datysgeld
29:20
Hello, Julie. Slightly late due to connectivity issues, but should be good now.
Julie Bisland
32:00
Happy to hear you were able to join, Mark, and sorry to hear there were issues.
Steve Chan
47:59
For the Operational Track, you will see some suggestions from Council leadership on next steps in the near future
Donna Austin, GoDaddy Registry
48:45
where will we see these Steve? During Ariel's presentation?
Steve Chan
48:57
Separately, afterwards
Steve Chan
49:22
Although we can speak about it today if you’d like and if there is time?
Donna Austin, GoDaddy Registry
50:04
I'd be interested to understand the dependency, but do not have to cover today if there's not enough time.
Maxim Alzoba
50:15
the same entity item is the most poisoned from the legal perspective
Philippe Fouquart
50:49
Do we have people here involved with ccNSO PDP4 already?
Maxim Alzoba
51:25
for the definitions there is a need of the actual text
Dennis Tan
51:41
@Phillipe, I am
Philippe Fouquart
51:54
Thanks Dennis.
Maxim Alzoba
52:38
there were no legal review of the same entity principle , and how it affects URDP , URS e.t.c. and especially in existing TLDs
Jeffrey Neuman
53:00
Many of these subjects are addressed in SubPro as well, so we are not starting from Square 1
Steve Chan
53:37
@Maxim, as Ariel noted in her comments, that question about impact from IDN variant gTLDs on things like RPMs, is envisioned as part of the charter.
Maxim Alzoba
53:50
@Jeff, it is not just SubPro, but potentially RPMs too, so putting this EPDP in front of the next round is almost the sure way to delay it for a long time
Steve Chan
54:33
@Donna, I forgot Ariel had these steps in the slides
Steve Chan
54:39
There you go :)
Maxim Alzoba
56:30
the suggested guidelines were made by tech persons, without much of legal / operational review
Maxim Alzoba
56:43
and outside of the multistakeholder model
Jeffrey Neuman
58:15
Where is the latest version of IDN Guidelines 4
Donna Austin, GoDaddy Registry
58:40
Important that this is made clear in the Charter, and we should also consider putting a time limit on the Op. Track 1 work.
Dennis Tan
58:50
@Jeff https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/idn-guidelines-10may18-en.pdf
Maxim Alzoba
01:00:18
what is the current state of affairs - IANA full of wrong IDN tables?
Sarmad Hussain
01:06:04
@Maxim, we have additional information about the design of IDN tables from the script communities. It is being reviewed if any the the IDN tables in IANA repository may be impacted.
Maxim Alzoba
01:07:11
@Sarmad, it would be important for work of this EPDP to know the % of the overall IDN TLDs , which tables need to be changed
Philippe Fouquart
01:07:13
Agree with Donna. Although I still have to get my head around what "consistency" means here technically, it's important that alignment goes as far as is reasonably conceivable.
Jeffrey Neuman
01:07:26
The draft final report was published in August
Edmon Chung
01:07:28
I see the liaison as having a dual and complementary roles:To identify and report back discrepancies and how it may impactTo contribute to bringing the GNSO and IDN EPDP WG perspectives to the ccPDPand agree with inviting in the reverse cc liaison to the gnso epdp
Jeffrey Neuman
01:07:43
Or are we talking about the latest version that the WG is looking AT
Steve Chan
01:07:51
@Jeff, the latter.
Steve Chan
01:08:12
It’s in respect of the iterative versions we are sharing with the WG.
Maxim Alzoba
01:08:16
Subpro is only about next round TLDs, not about all existing TLDs
Maxim Alzoba
01:09:41
what does it mean - IDN tables published by ICANN? currently those are published by IANA (PTI)
Jeffrey Neuman
01:11:09
I would add to Donna's point that there should not be divergence from the SubPro recommendations in general since that did use input from a number of public comments, comments from Org, etc.
Maxim Alzoba
01:12:46
SubPro is not a policy yet, and it is a separate PDP
Maxim Alzoba
01:13:18
we should try
Maxim Alzoba
01:13:54
but SubPro had no review of the existing TLDs and what to do in those with the same entity principle there
Donna Austin, GoDaddy Registry
01:14:27
@Jeff, I'm not sure I agree with your starting premise. The IDN Scoping Team was run in parallel, so this is why from a process perspective that we understand the two efforts, potential for intersection and divergence and how that is managed.
Jeffrey Neuman
01:14:32
That is why I used the term "build on"
Jeffrey Neuman
01:15:05
So if there is a reason that existing TLDs need to be treated differently, then that is something this group should control
Maxim Alzoba
01:16:57
we need to review it, and hopefully we find some kind of resolution, but I am bit pessimistic (example, two companies have rights for string 1 and one has string1_var1.tld1 and another has string2_var2.tld2) - who has more rights?
Maxim Alzoba
01:17:43
we can not build that bit on something not yet existing, so it needs to be developed
Maxim Alzoba
01:18:04
for future TLDs it is simpler, no legacy issues
Edmon Chung
01:18:41
if tld1 and tld2 are IDN Var TLDs they should not currently be exisiting?
Maxim Alzoba
01:18:44
old hand
Edmon Chung
01:18:45
at least for gTLD
Edmon Chung
01:19:09
i mean at least one of them should not exist
Maxim Alzoba
01:19:19
@Edmon if those are deemed to be variants - only one entity should control all variants
Maxim Alzoba
01:19:33
or a single TLD with 2 scripts
Jeffrey Neuman
01:19:56
I have to drop in 2 minutes. I believe we should put a work plan in place to get this done ASAP (since this is just the charter). This is important according to the ICANN Board and MAY create some dependencies. So can we put some dates associated with the deliverables
Donna Austin, GoDaddy Registry
01:20:09
@Jeff and Steve, is it possible to get a copy of the SubPro chartering questions as it related to consideration of IDNs?
Jeffrey Neuman
01:20:19
There is no reason why we should not be able to do this within next 60-90 days at most
Maxim Alzoba
01:20:35
@Jeff, there is no reason we should
Donna Austin, GoDaddy Registry
01:20:56
I agree Jeff, we should be able to get this done in reasonably good time.
Jeffrey Neuman
01:20:59
@Maxim?
Jeffrey Neuman
01:21:11
Your positive of my double negative is confusing :)
Steve Chan
01:21:12
@Donna, sure, added to the notes as an AI and will investigate before sharing
Mark Datysgeld
01:21:22
Having heard all perspectives, I think we can do this in good time. It could be actually Expedited;
Maxim Alzoba
01:21:24
@Jeff , the community is stretched thin, it is not the most top priority item
Jeffrey Neuman
01:21:52
@Maxim - Then the COuncil would need to go to the board and take a view as to whether there are dependencies with SubPro
Maxim Alzoba
01:22:03
EPDP is a form of PDP, do not expect the same pace as first EPDP
Jeffrey Neuman
01:22:05
This is an ePDP
Maxim Alzoba
01:22:25
I think we might have a poll for meeting times
Jeffrey Neuman
01:22:44
I need to drop. But we should work backwards to try and have a charter within 60 days
Maxim Alzoba
01:22:57
@Jeff, it does not mean we have to have a lot of meeting in a fast succession
Maxim Alzoba
01:23:02
meetings
Jeffrey Neuman
01:23:11
I need to drop...thanks :) I am from Vienna, Virginia (20 mins from Ariel )
Maxim Alzoba
01:24:02
two weeks - XMass in US , but after NY, we have two weeks of public holidays, so it is 30 days less
Donna Austin, GoDaddy Registry
01:24:19
We should be inclusive of Pitinan and Sarmad
Mark Datysgeld
01:24:29
Juan is in my general timezone, which is fine, like 1500. He probably had a work conflict.
Maxim Alzoba
01:25:00
+1 for Dennis
Donna Austin, GoDaddy Registry
01:25:02
I'm happy to second the nomination of Dennis
Dennis Tan
01:25:15
Thanks for the vote of confidence
Mark Datysgeld
01:25:15
+1 Dennis
Mark Datysgeld
01:26:14
We do have UA-EAI meetings at this exact time on alternate weeks. It wouldn't be terrible for me if we did 1600 UTC instead so it doesnt clash, but up to the group
Donna Austin, GoDaddy Registry
01:26:17
We're coming up to holiday season
Donna Austin, GoDaddy Registry
01:27:52
Good job Ariel, thanks everyone.
Edmon Chung
01:27:59
are we expecting a next meeting next week?
Philippe Fouquart
01:28:00
Thanks for leading this Ariel
Edmon Chung
01:28:16
ok thx
Dennis Tan
01:28:36
Sounds good… thank you and good bye
Maxim Alzoba
01:28:37
thanks all