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Hadia Elminiawi
22:56
Hello all
Volker Greimann
23:00
No, but where most of our members are ;-)
Volker Greimann
23:07
It is afternoon here
tatianatropina
23:55
afternoon here, too :)
Tatiana Tropina
25:12
Brian, you mean accuracy question?
Brian King (IPC)
25:24
Yes! thanks
Caitlin Tubergen
25:52
Yes, we did send the questions as no one objected by the deadline.
Berry Cobb
25:53
It is part of scope, but decoupled from work of the SSAD to a final report.
Berry Cobb
26:29
Thank you. ;-)
Tatiana Tropina
28:19
I have several comments and suggestions for the questions, just heads up :) I will put my hand up later
Becky Burr
28:34
Hadia - will go to you next
Brian King (IPC)
28:39
Great, thanks Tatiana
Hadia Elminiawi
28:46
This is an old hand
Becky Burr
28:51
ok
Hadia Elminiawi
29:02
I am not able to put my hand down
Terri Agnew
29:51
@Hadia, it is showing down on our side
Hadia Elminiawi
30:26
The participants list is frozen at my end
Tatiana Tropina
30:35
Matthew, one clarifying question concerning A (1): does the wording “this recommendation” refers to the non-binding recommendation by the Central Gateway to automate the decision to disclose the Registration Data in question?
Hadia Elminiawi
32:29
My hand is up
Tatiana Tropina
32:31
Thanks, Matthew! I thought if not, then it should be reworded — but all good then
Tatiana Tropina
32:45
I have some suggestions so hand up too
Matthew Crossman (RySG)
33:23
Sorry, I hope that was clear!
Berry Cobb
35:48
https://community.icann.org/display/EOTSFGRD/EPDP+-P2+Legal+subteam
Laureen Kapin (GAC)
37:42
So the B&B advice sounds like a type "self-certification"?
Brian King (IPC)
38:06
Right, I think so
Brian King (IPC)
38:18
It's an additional input that's not automated
Tatiana Tropina
42:56
A (1). Please describe the risk of liability for the Central Gateway and Contracted Parties related to automating this recommendation, and to automating the decision to disclose personal information to a third-party.
Tatiana Tropina
43:22
2. Is the automated decision to disclose personal information to a third-party a decision “which produces legal effects concerning [the data subject] or similarly significantly affects him or her” within the scope of Article 22?
Tatiana Tropina
43:49
5. In what manner must the Controller(s) provide the registrant with information concerning the existence of automated decision-making in processing of his or her personal information? How should this information be communicated to the registrant, and what information pertaining to the automated decision-making must be communicated to the registrant in order to ensure fair and transparent processing pursuant to Article 13?
Tatiana Tropina
43:57
6. Does the provision of the information in the answer to question 5 by the Controller(s) affect the registrant’s right to obtain confirmation as to whether or not automated decision-making to disclose his or her personal information to a third-party has taken place, in addition to obtaining associated meaningful information as per Article 15.1(h)?
Hadia Elminiawi
47:26
hands up
Brian King (IPC)
49:26
I'd like to speak to that question
Berry Cobb
52:19
Thomas, do you ever remove your legal hat? ;-)
Tatiana Tropina
52:37
My legal hat: agree with Thomas. :)
Hadia Elminiawi
52:44
@Thomas I totally agree it is very difficult at this point to define the liabilities
Thomas Rickert (ISPCP)
53:30
Sorry for the legal hat thing and Berry, I try to take it off whenever I can, but it seems glued to my head :-)
Tatiana Tropina
54:27
Thomas, as long as that glued hat doesn’t look like a sombrero….
Brian King (IPC)
55:15
I would support adding that. I resisted the urge to suggest it myself, but if the group wants it, I support.
Hadia Elminiawi
56:40
old hand
Berry Cobb
59:28
More so, they are "preliminary" and not "final" recommendations that have yet to go through a consensus call.
Margie Milam
01:00:12
+1 to retaining all scenarios
Hadia Elminiawi
01:01:16
I am fine with retaining all scenarios, I just did not want to reopen something I thought was already settled
Brian King (IPC)
01:02:15
Right, I wouldn't presuppose controllership
Thomas Rickert (ISPCP)
01:04:12
I think it is most likely ICANN will outsource that function and it might have an impact on the liability situation
Margie Milam
01:09:39
+1 Brian
Berry Cobb
01:14:10
whwere "possibility"?
Brian King (IPC)
01:14:23
instead of "existence" right where your mouse was
Brian King (IPC)
01:14:24
second line
Brian King (IPC)
01:14:31
bingo
Brian King (IPC)
01:16:01
Thanks, I think that's good
Berry Cobb
01:20:27
I think I need instruction on how to best organize C now.
Tatiana Tropina
01:20:44
Berry I am lost more than you!
Margie Milam
01:20:50
I have to drop off the call-
Matthew Crossman (RySG)
01:21:23
So those two should go together, as new 1-2 in section C
Tatiana Tropina
01:22:54
thanks Matthew and Brian and all
Laureen Kapin (GAC)
01:23:12
I have to join another call. Might we please add recognition that certain LEA requests require confidentiality which would preclude disclosing the request to the data subject?
Matthew Crossman (RySG)
01:23:13
Thanks for the comments Tatiana, helpful additions
Brian King (IPC)
01:23:29
Thank you, Tatiana
Brian King (IPC)
01:23:50
Thank you to Matt too for setting all this up and drafting. Much appreciated.
Brian King (IPC)
01:24:01
I can hang for a few minutes to do next agenda item
Matthew Crossman (RySG)
01:24:43
Fine with me
Tara Whalen (SSAC)
01:25:01
Summary looks fine, thanks
Berry Cobb
01:25:25
Representative group
Brian King (IPC)
01:25:34
I'd like for us to be able to sign off on this and send it to B&B
Brian King (IPC)
01:26:11
Thanks, Berry. Your track changes skills on the fly are impressive.
Matthew Crossman (RySG)
01:26:18
Agreed, thanks
Berry Cobb
01:26:51
Thx. Brian.
Volker Greimann
01:28:09
The RRSG still has issues with most the use cases
Hadia Elminiawi
01:28:18
Do not represent EPDP consensus
Tatiana Tropina
01:28:26
Volker, we do have issues, too :)
Tatiana Tropina
01:28:34
this is why I asked!
Tatiana Tropina
01:28:37
thanks all
Brian King (IPC)
01:28:42
Great call, thanks all.
Tara Whalen (SSAC)
01:28:47
Thanks!
Hadia Elminiawi
01:28:50
bye