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051040040 New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group call - Shared screen with speaker view
Paul McGrady
35:18
Congrats Phil!
Jim Prendergast
35:48
hello
Taylor Bentley
35:55
Congrats. Updating the wiki makes it ICANN-official
Paul McGrady
37:57
"The Plan Going Forward: the extraordinary life and times of Jeff Neuman" in bookstores now.
Karen Lentz
40:49
GDS = Global Domains & Strategy
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
43:47
and of course Time Line..... ….. …. …. ….
Jim Prendergast
44:49
Nope - that was helpful
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
46:58
Noted CW we only speak to Our PDP completion timeline not any implementation timelining/plan... But your point is well taken for Board consideration no doubt...
Elaine Pruis
47:30
the internet is one industry that has done just fine through Covid
Steve Chan
48:46
Link to the WG Guidelines here: https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/annex-1-gnso-wg-guidelines-24oct19-en.pdf
Alexander Schubert
48:51
What's folk's best guess: when will the 2nd round application window close (doesn't matter when it opens, right)?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
49:21
thx for the zoom in @Steve
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
52:23
We have mode no call on consensus of course
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
52:47
I doubt your alone in that @Jamie
Alexander Schubert
53:07
+1 Jamie
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
53:24
but we also need to progress to an end of our work (perhaps not *all* work on some matters...
Giacomo Mazzone
53:26
+ Jamie
Jamie Baxter
54:28
So where is the transparency around why it was rejected if no one spoke out against it?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
54:49
rejected is strong terms here
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
58:41
perspective is indeed a key here thus I believe @Jeff's reference to "case by case"earlier @Jamie
Alexander Schubert
59:05
+1 Jamie - there is probably almost nobody who did or will do Community Apps.
Maxim Alzoba
59:46
hello all, sorry for being late
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:00:28
For example I am assured that the told experiences of those who did engage in Community Applications and CPE in last round have deeply influenced at least AC views and opinions, that I assume we will see in PC's received
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:00:55
should read PC's when rec'd
Steve Chan
01:00:57
Here is the link to the doc on screen: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ih_1NARViJXNNewDg-q87sQzQoC1dCtC/edit
Steve Chan
01:01:42
And Justine’s redline here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RS13a70f3BGx0b1gOyjvvRCoAKvxtlfO/edit
Steve Chan
01:01:51
BUT, talking about the former at the moment
Alexander Schubert
01:06:47
Like Tampa and Tampanians: The community of Tampa consists of Tampanians and not "Tampas".
Alexander Schubert
01:07:40
So "tampa" doesn't describe community members but the community
Alexander Schubert
01:08:18
Tampa is a city in Florida
Anne Aikman-Scalese
01:08:25
Support that change in Implementation Guidelines
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:08:39
I was wondering @Alexander ;-)
Steve Chan
01:09:23
Yes :)
Alexander Schubert
01:10:29
I did 5 month community outreach in Tampa this winter 🤗
Maxim Alzoba
01:11:45
applicants will not deal with text of WG directly
Jamie Baxter
01:12:02
+1 Christopher
Alexander Schubert
01:13:51
Maybe this time we can show them the AGB BEFORE we finalize it - so the EIU can point out if they need more input?
Justine Chew
01:15:07
@Alexander, it is not certain that EIU will be reappointed as CPE evaluator. Any guidlelines we recommend is intended to apply to ANY evaluator appointed to do CPE
Jamie Baxter
01:16:07
I think this is excellent guidance
Alexander Schubert
01:16:57
Justine: agreed
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:17:31
That is what I am hearing @Jeff
Justine Chew
01:19:45
+1 Jamie. What At-Large has produced here have been done so to ensure things like "Community" definition is kept flexible throughout the Guidelines.
Giacomo Mazzone
01:20:05
the problem was not EIU but having somebody that cannot understand what Community are and that doesn't deal with communitities in its normal activity.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:21:03
well noted @Giacomo
Giacomo Mazzone
01:23:01
correct Justine you recall well what was the problem...
Alexander Schubert
01:23:25
+Justine
Jamie Baxter
01:23:55
+1 Justine
Justine Chew
01:24:20
We should make clear that there should be independence between evaluation / scoring of each Criterion and sub-criterion.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:24:41
Noted @Justine
Alexander Schubert
01:28:57
Correct community description - but EUI said it's not the "right name"....
Alexander Schubert
01:29:14
But that was the string the community wanted....
Jamie Baxter
01:29:16
yes .. not a contest among possible community names
Paul McGrady
01:30:04
For example, if the Southern Baptist Convention applied for .Christian, we don't want the evaluator to tell them they aren't Christians and can't have it. Right?
Paul McGrady
01:30:44
Or tell them they have to amend their application to .Baptists
Jamie Baxter
01:31:36
+1 Jeff … you have stated that correctly
Alexander Schubert
01:32:11
Especially: The community itself needs to associate the name; cause THEY will use the domains.
christopher wilkinson
01:32:16
Well, there are many Christian denominations
Paul McGrady
01:32:38
Correct Christopher and they could all apply and then we could have an auction.
Paul McGrady
01:33:07
Of course it is hard to imagine the Quakers outbidding the Holy See...
christopher wilkinson
01:33:52
@Paul Nightmare scenario. Nooo
Paul McGrady
01:34:16
@Christopher - for sure.
Jamie Baxter
01:35:00
that would give opportunity for Community Objection
Paul McGrady
01:35:04
@Jeff - but all the denominations could pass and then its auction time.
Maxim Alzoba
01:35:31
it will be a disaster of world scale
Alan Greenberg
01:35:37
I would suspect we might see some objections here.
christopher wilkinson
01:35:39
I think Paul and cw have effectively buried .christian
Alexander Schubert
01:36:02
No Paul: just one to pass is mission impossible - but two for 1 string doesn't work on real life
Paul McGrady
01:36:18
Can you imagine a CPE evaluator favoring the Anglicans over the Greek Orthodox Church? Disaster. Surely the evaluator would pass everyone under the test and let the auction sort it out.
Justine Chew
01:36:35
It really depends on EACH APPLICATION. And remember we are not evaluating an application just on the Uniqueness sub-criterion alone.
Alexander Schubert
01:36:52
Paul: this would be sorted out via objections
Giacomo Mazzone
01:37:38
i think that the CPE evaluators need to have the power to ask all pretenders to find an agreement among them using the stick not to assign it at all.
Justine Chew
01:38:34
@Jeff, understood.
Paul McGrady
01:38:40
@Giacomo - that is a scary thought. We should talk it through since, until now, the only way out is an auction or private resolution.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:40:13
hot button issue indeed for many @Jeff
Maxim Alzoba
01:40:16
ICANN should not decide for the congregations
Alexander Schubert
01:41:33
Back in 2012 the concept was oriented on the .xxx case I have the impression
Alexander Schubert
01:44:37
Especially a SIZEABLE community will have a network of organizations
Paul McGrady
01:45:43
Is all of this really easier than timestamping the application submission and giving it to the first filer?
Alexander Schubert
01:46:30
First come first serve priority over community?
Jamie Baxter
01:46:50
Yes. That is the error Jeff.
Justine Chew
01:47:44
@Steve, it's the "the" in bullet a.
Jamie Baxter
01:48:13
Correct
Steve Chan
01:48:17
I know, but the allowance for there being multiple institutions is already there
Steve Chan
01:48:27
So, it seems like it’s a matter of emphasizing that aspect?
Paul McGrady
01:48:53
@Alexander - it was a rhetorical question. :-)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:49:01
is ghere a problem with the "the" to á'edit @Jeff suggested though @Steve?
Alexander Schubert
01:49:28
Paul: you never know 🤗
Jamie Baxter
01:49:29
It may be worth noting that opposition cannot be considered when scoring 4A
Paul McGrady
01:52:52
Justine & Colleagues have put an enormous amount of effort into this. Even if we don't end up adopting all or even some of this, I think it is important to recognize the heavy lifting that went into this. Thanks Justine.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:52:58
10 min left time check
Giacomo Mazzone
01:53:12
+1 Paul
Alexander Schubert
01:57:09
+1 Paul
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:01:50
Lots of great work today people Good discussions and views shared... Thank you all ! and special kudos to the work prepared for us in this by @Justine... and sharing of experience by @Jamie B.... Bye for now until next week...
Justine Chew
02:01:52
+1 Jamie, that is why At-Large has proposed a major change to the source (documents) for Criterion #4: Community Endorsement evaluation.
Julie Bisland
02:02:41
NEXT CALL: Thursday, 01 October 2020 at 03:00 UTC for 90 minutes.
Jim Prendergast
02:02:44
so 3 meetings the week of ICANN? we received a calendar item for Monday the 19th
Alexander Schubert
02:03:22
Bye