Congrats Phil!

hello

Congrats. Updating the wiki makes it ICANN-official

"The Plan Going Forward: the extraordinary life and times of Jeff Neuman" in bookstores now.

GDS = Global Domains & Strategy

and of course Time Line..... ….. …. …. ….

Nope - that was helpful

Noted CW we only speak to Our PDP completion timeline not any implementation timelining/plan... But your point is well taken for Board consideration no doubt...

the internet is one industry that has done just fine through Covid

Link to the WG Guidelines here: https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/annex-1-gnso-wg-guidelines-24oct19-en.pdf

What's folk's best guess: when will the 2nd round application window close (doesn't matter when it opens, right)?

thx for the zoom in @Steve

We have mode no call on consensus of course

I doubt your alone in that @Jamie

+1 Jamie

but we also need to progress to an end of our work (perhaps not *all* work on some matters...

+ Jamie

So where is the transparency around why it was rejected if no one spoke out against it?

rejected is strong terms here

perspective is indeed a key here thus I believe @Jeff's reference to "case by case"earlier @Jamie

+1 Jamie - there is probably almost nobody who did or will do Community Apps.

hello all, sorry for being late

For example I am assured that the told experiences of those who did engage in Community Applications and CPE in last round have deeply influenced at least AC views and opinions, that I assume we will see in PC's received

should read PC's when rec'd

Here is the link to the doc on screen: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ih_1NARViJXNNewDg-q87sQzQoC1dCtC/edit

And Justine’s redline here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RS13a70f3BGx0b1gOyjvvRCoAKvxtlfO/edit

BUT, talking about the former at the moment

Like Tampa and Tampanians: The community of Tampa consists of Tampanians and not "Tampas".

So "tampa" doesn't describe community members but the community

Tampa is a city in Florida

Support that change in Implementation Guidelines

I was wondering @Alexander ;-)

Yes :)

I did 5 month community outreach in Tampa this winter 🤗

applicants will not deal with text of WG directly

+1 Christopher

Maybe this time we can show them the AGB BEFORE we finalize it - so the EIU can point out if they need more input?

@Alexander, it is not certain that EIU will be reappointed as CPE evaluator. Any guidlelines we recommend is intended to apply to ANY evaluator appointed to do CPE

I think this is excellent guidance

Justine: agreed

That is what I am hearing @Jeff

+1 Jamie. What At-Large has produced here have been done so to ensure things like "Community" definition is kept flexible throughout the Guidelines.

the problem was not EIU but having somebody that cannot understand what Community are and that doesn't deal with communitities in its normal activity.

well noted @Giacomo

correct Justine you recall well what was the problem...

+Justine

+1 Justine

We should make clear that there should be independence between evaluation / scoring of each Criterion and sub-criterion.

Noted @Justine

Correct community description - but EUI said it's not the "right name"....

But that was the string the community wanted....

yes .. not a contest among possible community names

For example, if the Southern Baptist Convention applied for .Christian, we don't want the evaluator to tell them they aren't Christians and can't have it. Right?

Or tell them they have to amend their application to .Baptists

+1 Jeff … you have stated that correctly

Especially: The community itself needs to associate the name; cause THEY will use the domains.

Well, there are many Christian denominations

Correct Christopher and they could all apply and then we could have an auction.

Of course it is hard to imagine the Quakers outbidding the Holy See...

@Paul Nightmare scenario. Nooo

@Christopher - for sure.

that would give opportunity for Community Objection

@Jeff - but all the denominations could pass and then its auction time.

it will be a disaster of world scale

I would suspect we might see some objections here.

I think Paul and cw have effectively buried .christian

No Paul: just one to pass is mission impossible - but two for 1 string doesn't work on real life

Can you imagine a CPE evaluator favoring the Anglicans over the Greek Orthodox Church? Disaster. Surely the evaluator would pass everyone under the test and let the auction sort it out.

It really depends on EACH APPLICATION. And remember we are not evaluating an application just on the Uniqueness sub-criterion alone.

Paul: this would be sorted out via objections

i think that the CPE evaluators need to have the power to ask all pretenders to find an agreement among them using the stick not to assign it at all.

@Jeff, understood.

@Giacomo - that is a scary thought. We should talk it through since, until now, the only way out is an auction or private resolution.

hot button issue indeed for many @Jeff

ICANN should not decide for the congregations

Back in 2012 the concept was oriented on the .xxx case I have the impression

Especially a SIZEABLE community will have a network of organizations

Is all of this really easier than timestamping the application submission and giving it to the first filer?

First come first serve priority over community?

Yes. That is the error Jeff.

@Steve, it's the "the" in bullet a.

Correct

I know, but the allowance for there being multiple institutions is already there

So, it seems like it’s a matter of emphasizing that aspect?

@Alexander - it was a rhetorical question. :-)

is ghere a problem with the "the" to á'edit @Jeff suggested though @Steve?

Paul: you never know 🤗

It may be worth noting that opposition cannot be considered when scoring 4A

Justine & Colleagues have put an enormous amount of effort into this. Even if we don't end up adopting all or even some of this, I think it is important to recognize the heavy lifting that went into this. Thanks Justine.

10 min left time check

+1 Paul

+1 Paul

Lots of great work today people Good discussions and views shared... Thank you all ! and special kudos to the work prepared for us in this by @Justine... and sharing of experience by @Jamie B.... Bye for now until next week...

+1 Jamie, that is why At-Large has proposed a major change to the source (documents) for Criterion #4: Community Endorsement evaluation.

NEXT CALL: Thursday, 01 October 2020 at 03:00 UTC for 90 minutes.

so 3 meetings the week of ICANN? we received a calendar item for Monday the 19th

Bye