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Sue Schuler
25:29
Welcome to the meeting of the RA/RAA Amendment Discussion Group. Please announce your name before speaking for purposes of the transcript. Please mute your microphone when not speaking to help maintain sound quality. Thanks
Zoe Bonython
26:09
Graeme will join shortly
Zoe Bonython
26:15
He’s stuck on another call
Sue Schuler
26:31
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iQ0QxIlOS_ObSyHdF0lguuZ_EYAa8-tU0iiiLaeH3eM/edit
Graeme Bunton (Tucows)
28:15
Made it.
Sue Schuler
28:34
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iQ0QxIlOS_ObSyHdF0lguuZ_EYAa8-tU0iiiLaeH3eM/edit
Rubens Kuhl
30:30
We should define "responded", like if HTTP queries that do not match RDAP specs (so be invalid) are included or not.
Rubens Kuhl
35:14
Yes.
Rubens Kuhl
37:55
Searchability is provided only in Web-WHOIS.
Owen Smigelski
38:15
And that’s only for the RA, I am not aware of search ability in the RAA
Rubens Kuhl
40:40
AFAIK, no application would fail if haven't scored the extra search ability point.
Rubens Kuhl
41:01
Some TLDs already removed search ability from their agreements, using RSEP.
Rubens Kuhl
42:11
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/rsep-2019074-natura-request-07feb19-en.pdf
Rubens Kuhl
42:20
(example of RSEP to remove search)
Rubens Kuhl
44:51
Currently, if there is no search in a registry agreement, an RSEP is required to include Web-WHOIS search.
Catherine Merdinger
44:58
+1 to Jim
Rubens Kuhl
46:20
If a future RDAP search is added to the Fast-Track RSEP, it's likely that the service will have low variability, because most registries will prefer the fast track.
Maxim Alzoba
46:41
most probably this feature is going to be for local LEAs
Maxim Alzoba
46:57
so not necessarily we will be able to compare uniformity
Rubens Kuhl
49:19
Pssst, Maxim. We are supposed to refer LEAs to SSAD. ;-)
Brian King (MarkMonitor)
51:19
+1 Jim
Rob
51:33
Jim. I agree. its the 3000ms PER DOMAIN - searched or returned.
Rob
51:44
it will clarify for ICANN the problem
Rob
52:21
if I have to search 40,000 names to get the result, even if the result is 10 domains, I should get 40,000 times the SLA, which would get them to the table pretty quickly.
Rob
52:29
But I agree, it is really about getting it excluded at this point
Rubens Kuhl
57:11
Our Web-WHOIS SLA could be just for serving a redirect to https://lookup.icann.org ...
J.C. Vignes (Uniregistry)
01:00:11
Couldn’t we offer 4K ms as a compromise?
J.C. Vignes (Uniregistry)
01:00:24
meets the actual situation, and it’s lower than 5K
J.C. Vignes (Uniregistry)
01:01:17
makes sense, thanks
Rob
01:01:24
They may also just be using this as a “give” to give us down the road for something they want. I agree with holding tight on it.
Rob
01:05:33
Excellent point. If we have to go to a third party to authenticate the request, our SLA should be plus that time. So whatever their SLA is should be added to this
Maxim Alzoba
01:06:14
ssad should be underlined to be out of equation
Maxim Alzoba
01:06:37
we need that it is for public
Catherine Merdinger
01:09:44
You read my mind
Sam Demetriou
01:09:55
we’re all applauding wildly, we’re just politely on mute
Rubens Kuhl
01:12:20
Because the registry might not have the data.
Rubens Kuhl
01:12:36
This might work or not on a per-TLD basis.
Rubens Kuhl
01:13:25
If that source exists, why not... but there is no guarantee that it does.
Sam Demetriou
01:17:49
Isn’t that currently under discussion?
Owen Smigelski
01:18:40
Sounds good to me, but I don’t think ICANN will go for it
Rubens Kuhl
01:19:30
Just offer ICANN a link to https://lookup.icann.org ? ;-)
Rubens Kuhl
01:20:48
BTW, we could all change our Web-WHOIS to redirects (registries) or links (registrars) to https://lookup.icann.org and turn this into fait accompli.
Brian King (MarkMonitor)
01:22:59
Optional is good
Graeme Bunton (Tucows)
01:23:03
I am going to need to drop, appreciate the solid discussion.
Graeme Bunton (Tucows)
01:23:32
Thanks to Rick for running the meeting!
Beth Bacon
01:30:28
That’s accurate
Maxim Alzoba
01:30:38
forum shopping is freedom of third parties to act
Maxim Alzoba
01:30:43
the way they want
Beth Bacon
01:30:55
Registrars have the relationship with the customer so generally the practice is to refer first to the Registrar
Maxim Alzoba
01:36:07
next amendment next time
Rubens Kuhl
01:36:07
Thick WHOIS is GDPR-doomed. But RDAP works on both, by referring and following referrals.
Rob
01:39:53
Except when the “CLIENT” us run by ICANN on the otherside of our contracts
Rob
01:40:02
Client IS run ...
Maxim Alzoba
01:40:22
lcann will surely abuse it
Rob
01:44:34
is the meeting next week with ICANN, or just us ?
Brian King (MarkMonitor)
01:45:06
Just us would be good
Brian King (MarkMonitor)
01:45:51
sounds good, Rick
Brian King (MarkMonitor)
01:45:54
thanks
Catherine Merdinger
01:46:02
Sounds good to me
Catherine Merdinger
01:46:41
Thanks everyone!
Beth Bacon
01:46:45
Bye all
Maxim Alzoba
01:46:48
bye all