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051040011 GNSO Council - Shared screen with speaker view
James Gannon
43:12
Elsa is having tech issues joining
David Olive
43:18
Welcome ALL
Steve Chan
44:12
@Farell, all, Terri was suggesting that you change the “To:” dropdown from “All panelists” to “All panelists and attendees”, so Observers are able to see the chat.
James Gannon
44:23
Can someone from staff reach out to Elsa she is having issues
Julie Bisland
44:39
yes, thank you James
James Gannon
44:57
Thanks!
Terri Agnew
45:23
Please review ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior here: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2016-06-28-en
Farell Folly
45:26
@Steve thanks
James Gannon
45:44
We miss you too Keith! =)
Carlton Samuels
46:18
Hello everyone. Hope you're all keeping well
James Gannon
47:19
Going through airplane withdrawl syndrome, apart from that doing well!
Juan Manuel Rojas
47:39
Hello Everyone! Good to read you all again
Terri Agnew
47:54
As a reminder, councilors, please adjust your chat option to all panelist and attendees.
Terri Agnew
48:19
Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/oSWJBw
Philippe Fouquart
50:28
@Berry: lest I forget, noted that the typo year 20222 is still there on page 2 of the work plan
Flip Petillion
50:28
Please resend - I checked my IN box and I haven’t received a new version of the letter - Thanks !
Terri Agnew
51:19
Project list: https://gnso.icann.org/en/council/project
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
51:29
@Flip it was only sent about 10 minutes ago
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
51:38
well maybe 20 minutes ago
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
54:47
Makes sense Berry
Steve Chan
55:29
@Kaith, can’t raise my hand, but one quick thing to add
Keith Drazek (Verisign)
56:00
Ok Steve, you're next
Berry Cobb
56:57
Thanks James. And great point Steve.
Terri Agnew
58:16
Action items: https://community.icann.org/x/RgZlAg
Steve Chan
01:01:45
Nothing further from me
Terri Agnew
01:02:03
PTI SLA for the ccTLD Creation and Transfer Process: https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/service-levels-cctld-creation-transfer-process-change-analysis-09jan20-en.pdf
James Gannon
01:03:30
Extremely happy o have Matt there again
James Gannon
01:04:25
Agreed good idea
Tatiana Tropina
01:04:29
Same, extremely happy
Carlton Samuels
01:04:33
Good idea. Always good to have exchange of views
Philippe Fouquart
01:04:37
+1
Tatiana Tropina
01:04:46
Great idea
Marie Pattullo
01:04:50
Makes sense.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:05:01
other SO's and the ALAC does that is has been useful IM experience @Keith
Tatiana Tropina
01:05:01
Also to the strategic sessions
James Gannon
01:05:08
Question for staff: Is it intentional that attendees cant see the chat?
Terri Agnew
01:05:28
Draft work plan: https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/draft-framework-council-work-plan-14apr20-en.pdfCouncil leadership proposal: https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/draft-council-detailed-work-plan-14may20-en.pdf
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
01:05:48
James - they should be able to if you’re sending to all ?
Tatiana Tropina
01:05:53
James I am not staff but I guess as we are asked directly to write to everyone it should be intentional
James Gannon
01:05:55
Nope seemingly not
Maxim Alzoba
01:06:16
need to change chat to panelists and attendees
James Gannon
01:06:18
They just see "chat disabled"
Terri Agnew
01:06:22
@James, attendees should be able to see the chat, they can’t chat themselves. (View only access to chat)
Tatiana Tropina
01:06:33
When I tune to the meeting, I always have panelist only chat and have to switch because we are asked to :-) fair enough.
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
01:07:06
James - observers are telling me they can see what you are typing
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
01:07:14
so if they can’t see it then it’s their settings tbh
James Gannon
01:07:29
Ok will let them know
Tatiana Tropina
01:07:37
I know that it wasn’t the case before as there was only audio stream. But I guess chat compensates the fact that those who listen can’t tune anonymously anymore. We see their names. Hi, attendees, nice to see you (hope you are reading this). Miss you all
Terri Agnew
01:07:45
Attendees can see the chat but they are unable to chat themselves. Chat option is only for the panelist.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:09:49
Sorry I don't make many of the UA calls any more but if I can be asleep at 0300 local time I will be ;-) my interest has nit wained though so do rech out if my pedantry can ever be of use to you...
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:10:16
not and reach Sigh damn hitting send before reading for typos ;-)
Flip Petillion
01:13:51
Thx Steve !
Steve Chan
01:17:05
I can wait to the end
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
01:17:17
audio bad?
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
01:17:24
or is it just me?
Philippe Fouquart
01:17:27
tis
Julf Helsingius
01:17:33
Echo or noise
Julf Helsingius
01:17:41
Someone has mic open?
Marie Pattullo
01:18:41
Can we make sure that the IDN experts talk to the UA experts?
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
01:20:13
aren’t they mostly the same people?
Maxim Alzoba
01:20:40
handful of experts
Marie Pattullo
01:21:17
There seems to be a disconnect - it would be great to have formal contact with the UASG.
Berry Cobb
01:21:24
yes, except Rec 7
Steve Chan
01:21:42
Thanks Berry
Berry Cobb
01:21:47
and data reminder policy review is not on there. So two.
Rafik dammak
01:22:05
@steve dont forget to respond :)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:22:10
audio?
Maxim Alzoba
01:22:13
UA is about use of IDNs by entities
Maxim Alzoba
01:22:24
IDN here is about use by Registries
Maxim Alzoba
01:22:33
there is no overlap
Philippe Fouquart
01:22:46
Thanks Berry & Steve. (Broadly speaking I would expect the two to be consistent,)
Maxim Alzoba
01:22:59
Registries have to do what is written about IDNs due to RA contract
Philippe Fouquart
01:22:59
or should they...?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:23:41
Wow
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:23:45
phew
Carlton Samuels
01:23:45
Atto\
Carlton Samuels
01:24:01
Sorry... too late
Berry Cobb
01:24:13
As I noted in the email on the list about the Projects List, is that this is one aspect that can still use some work. "• One aspect outstanding is how the Council better represent the pipeline of work ahead. Looking at the “Council Future Work Plan” that Steve sent last week, some of those items appear here on the project list, and some are reflected on the Action Items list. How can we recognize this future work without reducing the effectiveness of managing current work?"
Tom Dale
01:24:14
+1 Pam
Maxim Alzoba
01:24:20
+1
Maxim Alzoba
01:24:34
bandwidth should be taken into account
Maxim Alzoba
01:24:55
old
Carlton Samuels
01:25:12
I would suggest we wait till some more info is available. Reading the SubPro list is interesting
Maxim Alzoba
01:25:19
coffee icon removed :(
Steve Chan
01:25:25
Hand up
Philippe Fouquart
01:26:59
yes, thanks Steve.
Carlton Samuels
01:28:17
Yes Steve. Thks
Steve Chan
01:29:55
One thing to add, inspired by Berry’s comment
Maxim Alzoba
01:32:03
do we have a URL for the blog post of Theresa?
Tom Dale
01:32:18
Berry makes an important point. Council workload will also be driven by external/reactive issues.
Berry Cobb
01:32:26
https://www.icann.org/news/blog/moving-toward-implementation-next-steps-for-work-stream-2
Tatiana Tropina
01:34:04
I would definitely join that group
James Gannon
01:34:05
Happy to contribute to a small group on that
Philippe Fouquart
01:34:15
count me in please
Tatiana Tropina
01:34:18
James, high 5 :)
Mary Wong
01:34:37
On WS2, staff is continuing to work on a detailed implementation plan (as anticipated by the initial assessment report that informed the Board’s adoption of the WS2 recs).
Tom Dale
01:34:38
I would be happy to contribute on any WS2 work.
Mary Wong
01:36:01
I don’t have a specific date right now where we can come back to the community with that detailed plan, as there’s a lot of moving parts and budget considerations - but for the GNSO Council’s current purpose, you may wish to look at the initial assessment report, as it does include resource estimates (in terms of high v low).
Maxim Alzoba
01:40:54
URL of the letter , if possible Ж)
Maxim Alzoba
01:40:55
:)
Maxim Alzoba
01:41:00
please
Terri Agnew
01:41:27
https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/draft-council-response-to-icann-board-14may20-en.pdf
John McElwaine
01:45:53
@Rafik and @Pam you all covered this topic well. Thanks!
Tatiana Tropina
01:48:09
Aha okay thanks
Tatiana Tropina
01:52:46
Agree that it’s important. One week is enough for me, don’t know about others
Maxim Alzoba
01:52:59
typical reaction of SG members is two weeks
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
01:53:12
no issue with one week for me
Carlton Samuels
01:54:19
Seeing this is 'time sensitive and critical', I only wish I have a better sense of the Board's eyesight on the "potential impasse". But as to process, the letter covers it very well.
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
02:01:49
audio super low
Maxim Alzoba
02:01:50
sound issues
Tatiana Tropina
02:02:02
Very very distant sound
Maxim Alzoba
02:02:02
barely hear
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
02:02:05
I think I’m going deaf
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:02:08
audio
Maxim Alzoba
02:02:16
yelling might help
Terri Agnew
02:02:16
@Marie, could we dial out via telephone?
Tatiana Tropina
02:02:26
Not really
James Gannon
02:02:28
Nope still very faint
John McElwaine
02:02:40
@Carlton agree with you on the lack of clarity on the specific impasse and respective positions.
Terri Agnew
02:02:42
Will do
Terri Agnew
02:03:48
Marie is on the telephone
Tatiana Tropina
02:03:50
Didn’t we already discuss the data accuracy here on the GNSO with regard to EPDP within/outside?
James Gannon
02:04:00
Yup I thought so also
Rafik dammak
02:04:12
it is about next steps
Tatiana Tropina
02:04:37
Rafik, great, I was afraid that Keith is bringing it back (in terms of old discussion)
Maxim Alzoba
02:06:47
I do not think we might stretch Janis
Maxim Alzoba
02:07:36
just Chair selection might be selected in a month or two or about that
Maxim Alzoba
02:07:42
might be done
Marie Pattullo
02:11:29
We have explicit questions answered by the external counsel that the EPDP has not yet answered. There are "voluminous & complex" public answers. Don't they deserve to be considered properly?
Marie Pattullo
02:13:35
Accracy
Elsa Saade
02:13:43
Absolutely agree with Tanya
Maxim Alzoba
02:13:50
+1
Juan Manuel Rojas
02:13:55
+1
Marie Pattullo
02:13:56
Sorry - accuracy is 100% in scope. It's in the GDPR itself.
Maxim Alzoba
02:14:21
accuracy of ICANN is a term of contract and not equal to accuracy from GDPR
Maxim Alzoba
02:14:31
just same word - different meaning
Maxim Alzoba
02:15:25
we should not conflate rights of the person and wishes of ICANN
Tatiana Tropina
02:15:39
Marie, as I said - I do not mind revising the discussions from the 11th of March, but lets make it a proper discussion then and highlight what exactly happen since then so GNSO will revisit what we pushed back then?
Marie Pattullo
02:16:30
Legal vs natural. Are the NCSH and CPH opposed to any disclosure of legal persons' data?
Marie Pattullo
02:16:40
*NSCG
Maxim Alzoba
02:17:02
it is about following law not wishes
Marie Pattullo
02:17:32
The law makes that differentiation, Maxim.
Tatiana Tropina
02:17:35
Well we have to be realistic with that extension. It’s *not* going to be 3 months if we extend
Maxim Alzoba
02:18:02
yes, and the reading of contractors is different than third parties, the same about fines
Marie Pattullo
02:19:09
But the legal advice to the EPDP agreed, Maxim?
Maxim Alzoba
02:19:26
DPAs opinion is what matters
Marie Pattullo
02:19:58
DPAs have read the GDPR.
Maxim Alzoba
02:20:26
we do not have assurance from them about our ideas waiver from GDPR fines
Marie Pattullo
02:21:14
I'm not talking a new phase - an extension of 2. That's what the BC reps tell me they need.
Maxim Alzoba
02:21:26
3 months is not realistic
Keith Drazek (Verisign)
02:21:29
@Michele: I understand about the level of interest and fatigue. We may have to start a new group with new members and a new chair.
Tom Dale
02:21:37
Agree with Michele. It is not just the Chair.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:21:49
audio fade
Maxim Alzoba
02:22:03
we can not grow new expert members in a month
James Gannon
02:22:15
We have processes for raising new issues however
Julf Helsingius
02:22:15
As an EPDP member, I have to agree - most of us are not prepared to do yet another stretch
Marie Pattullo
02:22:21
Exactly. Which is why we need the same members.
James Gannon
02:22:27
I don't belive we should shortcut those
Tatiana Tropina
02:22:41
3 months is *not* realistic.
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
02:22:42
Some of these “issues” are NOT new and are not ones that have not been discussed ad nauseam for years
John McElwaine
02:22:43
@Michele I know some folks that are willing to tackle these issues
Tatiana Tropina
02:23:02
Even scoping will take 3 month with people asking the same questions trying to have different answers.
Maxim Alzoba
02:23:05
why do we think that extension clears the same positions?
Tatiana Tropina
02:23:17
Apologies for being so frank but just really. Unrealistic.
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
02:23:26
there’s an impasse on certain topics - it’s been that way for years
Tatiana Tropina
02:23:39
Michele +million
Julf Helsingius
02:23:46
The reason we haven't sorted them out yet is that they are hard - or political deadlocks.
Maxim Alzoba
02:23:50
if there is no overlap of opinions = no consensus
Maxim Alzoba
02:24:51
asking the same questions in the same group will not help
Philippe Fouquart
02:27:28
+1 to what you said about having the ccs "involved"
Mary Wong
02:27:41
FYI, the SSR-2 team agreed yesterday that its new targeted completion date is October.
Philippe Fouquart
02:27:43
and gain from their experience
Marie Pattullo
02:27:44
If ever we've needed proof of urgent action on abuse, see the COVID upsurge in cybercrime/fraud etc.
Maxim Alzoba
02:27:44
ccTLD experience might not help, they are free to do whatever is not against the local law, not being tied by ICANN contracts
Philippe Fouquart
02:28:25
not reason enough no to consider that experience IMO Maxim
Maxim Alzoba
02:28:46
We need proof of abuse to act, and most sources do not give anything, some ‘public sources’ do not give access to their websites
James Gannon
02:29:15
COVID has actually shown how well the current set of tools available are working
Maxim Alzoba
02:29:23
phistank oficially denied requests of some registries to access their website
Marie Pattullo
02:29:47
Should be for all TLDs - all consumers have the right to be protected!
Tom Dale
02:30:08
Wasn’t DNS abuse flagged as an issue for community discussion (in some form or other) at ICANN68?
James Gannon
02:30:18
Yes I believe so
Philippe Fouquart
02:30:29
yes
Keith Drazek (Verisign)
02:30:32
@Tom: Yes, it will be one of the plenary/cross-community sessions.
Maxim Alzoba
02:31:06
Marie, it would be nice if someone helps to provide access to cybersecurity sources to Registries and Registrars
Marie Pattullo
02:31:28
https://www.europol.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/catching_the_virus_cybercrime_disinformation_and_the_covid-19_pandemic_0.pdf
Pam Little, RrSG
02:31:44
There is also a related ICANN org initiated effort https://www.icann.org/news/blog/introducing-the-dns-security-facilitation-initiative-technical-study-group
Maxim Alzoba
02:32:14
proofs is what lacks greatly, not just emails from cybersecurity companies
Tatiana Tropina
02:32:25
And in chat, too, Keith :D
Tatiana Tropina
02:32:32
We are quite chatty
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
02:32:37
Prime example the “lists” of COVID domains
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
02:32:58
most of the lists are just domains that *might* be problematic
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
02:33:04
very few lists are properly vetted
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
02:34:24
TBH Keith I recall being on a DNS abuse panel at an ICANN meeting over a decade ago
Marie Pattullo
02:34:35
All of us want the abuse to be managed, and all of us need to find a way forward. We're all together on this.
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
02:34:50
Marie - sure - but we need less hyperbolic junk
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
02:34:55
actual facts
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
02:34:56
data
Maxim Alzoba
02:35:05
the issue is that cybersecurity companies do not participate , just push
Keith Drazek (Verisign)
02:36:02
@Tatiana: Any community effort would have to be scoped very carefully within ICANN's bylaws and not focused on content.
Tatiana Tropina
02:36:35
Keith very much appreciated, but wanted to flag — never hurts :)
Keith Drazek (Verisign)
02:36:44
Agreed!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:38:07
Just to remind Council (with my SubPro PDP Co-Chair hat on), that we have received several pieces of Public Comment / input stating that "not future round of new gTLDs should be considered... until all the issues around DNS Abuse [as outlined in CCT-RT etc.,] are resolved... That was one of our triggers for our letter to Council...
James Gannon
02:38:32
Happy to be the closed minded one for once =)
Maxim Alzoba
02:38:48
@Cheryl, it is an opinion , not a trigger
Tatiana Tropina
02:39:02
I love the word “socialise” — Pam!
Tom Dale
02:39:03
Some dialogue with ccNSO seems very sensible
Maxim Alzoba
02:39:22
@Keith, audio is fading
Keith Drazek (Verisign)
02:39:34
Thanks Maxim
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
02:39:42
A lot of the ccTLDs have been doing stuff for years - but you have to be careful - you need the full context
James Gannon
02:39:53
Yeah Keith you need to get VRSN to give you a headset upgrade =) Worn out through too many Council calls =)
Keith Drazek (Verisign)
02:40:03
Indeed...
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
02:40:16
Cheap skates :)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:40:34
No it triggered our desire to inform Council of what SubPro will or will not Might or Might not accomplish within our scope @Maxime
Maxim Alzoba
02:41:03
that is worthy
Tatiana Tropina
02:41:36
We are going to have meetings from 5 am European time and this would be my best service to GNSO (crying emoji)
Marie Pattullo
02:42:10
I'll be sobbing right along with you, Tanya.
Maxim Alzoba
02:42:14
3AM … that is hard
Juan Manuel Rojas
02:42:25
All time in KL Time, right?
Rafik dammak
02:42:35
@tanya happy to share tips on how to deal with that :D
Mary Wong
02:42:36
@John, here is the latest Board action on CCT, including a link to a Board scorecard from March 2019: https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2020-01-26-en#1.e
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:42:38
Try working from APAC time zones for most of the year people ;-)
Tatiana Tropina
02:42:39
Marie, we can have video chat with a 6 am cup of coffee
Tom Dale
02:42:46
KL time sounds fine to some of us, especially after Cancun.
Tatiana Tropina
02:43:00
Forget about our ideological differences we will be in the same bought for suffering, torture and misery
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:43:02
Indeed @Tom :-)
Pam Little, RrSG
02:43:10
Thank you all. Take care and stay safe!
Maxim Alzoba
02:43:11
bye all , thanks
Tatiana Tropina
02:43:14
Keith, I am not looking forward to receiving actual schedule :)
Elsa Saade
02:43:16
thank you all
David Olive
02:43:17
Thanks All
Julf Helsingius
02:43:17
Thanks all!
Tom Dale
02:43:18
Stay well everyone!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:43:19
Bye for now stay safe people!
Osvaldo Novoa
02:43:21
Bye all, thanks.
Tatiana Tropina
02:43:21
Bye all thanks
Farell Folly
02:43:22
Thanks all
Elsa Saade
02:43:23
thanks Keith!
David Olive
02:43:24
Stay safe and healthy
Elsa Saade
02:43:25
Bye all
Marie Pattullo
02:43:27
Thanks to staff for the call out & sorry!
Farell Folly
02:43:27
stay healthy
Flip Petillion
02:43:30
Bye !
Philippe Fouquart
02:43:31
and the same to you all, all the best.
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
02:43:32
bye
John McElwaine
02:43:32
Bye
Sebastien Ducos
02:43:40
Bye all