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GNSO Council Meeting - Shared screen with speaker view
Flip Petillion
42:09
Hello !
Carlton Samuels
43:53
Good morning all
James Gannon
44:47
Hi observers!
Carlton Samuels
46:11
@Keith +1. Hope you're all safe and keeping safe
Emily Barabas
50:50
Agenda for this meeting: https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Final+Proposed+Agenda+16+April+2020
Nathalie Peregrine
52:09
Project list: https://gnso.icann.org/en/council/project
Emily Barabas
55:22
Action Items: https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Action+Items
Osvaldo Novoa
56:48
Hello all, sorry I’m late.
Nathalie Peregrine
57:03
Welcome Osvaldo!
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
01:08:48
I’m attending way more webinars than ever
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
01:09:38
I’m attending way more webinars than ever
Tom Dale
01:10:24
Zoom is doing OK
Nathalie Peregrine
01:10:26
Reminder to councilors: please send your chat comments to All panelists and all attendees
John McElwaine
01:10:36
I know who decides to mow there lawn 8:30am on a Thursday?
Maxim Alzoba
01:10:44
soundproof helmets with headsets might be needed these times
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
01:10:48
My next door neighbour has painted his house
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
01:10:53
he’s bored
Marie Pattullo
01:11:40
One of my neighbours is 8 and learning the flute. I get Christmas medleys.
Marie Pattullo
01:12:20
But she also plays Scotland the Brave. :insert heart emoticon*
Mary Wong
01:12:37
@John, there’s always a massive burst of mowing energy (no matter what time of day) when the first glimpse of spring visits my little corner of New England suburbia-verging-on-country … i.e. this week.
Tom Dale
01:12:53
@Marie That’s braw!
Julf Helsingius
01:13:03
Here we have a lot of power (jet) washing of balconies and back terraces.
Mary Wong
01:13:18
@John, there’s always a massive burst of mowing energy (no matter what time of day) when the first glimpse of spring visits my little corner of New England suburbia-verging-on-country … i.e. it’s the main event this week.
John McElwaine
01:14:08
My new AirPod Pros with noise cancellation have worked nicely
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
01:15:49
Overall traffic across IXPs is up quite a bit
James Gannon
01:17:25
Yes this is not working from home, this is working during a pandemic.
Philippe Fouquart
01:17:26
Absolutely it is unsuprisingly, and trafic is on the increase wihtin the ISPs as well.
Marie Pattullo
01:18:05
BE ISPs have all increased data (etc) for all users, for free. (Thanks ISPs!)
Philippe Fouquart
01:19:06
Although I should have mentioned that we now see the (unfortunate) difference bw rural areas where we have xDSL (at best) and FTTH covered areas.
erikamann
01:19:29
Apologies for being late!
Maxim Alzoba
01:19:50
design attempts to save money will be more visible now (small IPS especially )
Philippe Fouquart
01:20:31
it is certainly visible here (although I realise I somewhat biaised :P )
erikamann
01:20:31
Apologies for being late!
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
01:20:31
Most of our staff have good broadband, but some live in areas where their choices are limited / non-existent
Carlton Samuels
01:20:55
Here in Jamaica the ISPs are not holding up. Lockdown was imposed on a conurbation west of Kingston from 5a yesterday Wed 15 April until 5a 22 April. Largely a bedroom community so traffic has spiked. Bandwidth like a yo-yo so y'all fade every now and again.
Nathalie Peregrine
01:21:07
Welcome Erika!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:21:22
We always stated that was our worst case date
Flip Petillion
01:21:36
That’s correct - it was a worse case scenario
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
01:25:31
audio is a bit choppy
Maxim Alzoba
01:25:52
+1
Marie Pattullo
01:27:35
But surely all of this work for inaccurate data...?
Maxim Alzoba
01:27:55
definition of ICANN accuracy is not equal to GDPR accuracy
Julf Helsingius
01:32:34
As an EPDP member, I have to agree with Rafik
Marie Pattullo
01:33:57
Agree John - on the BC list we've seen a number of members fighting COVID-related DNS abuse.
Maxim Alzoba
01:33:58
devoting more time to deliver less might be a bad strategy
Marie Pattullo
01:35:24
More time so we can do more to stop abuse - not just to chat.
Maxim Alzoba
01:35:51
In CPH many if not all members are fighting abuse (also types appeared recently)
Marie Pattullo
01:36:03
It's not making it longer for no reason, it's to ensure time to discuss all items as defined in the charter.
Pam Little, RrSG
01:36:23
@Marie, more accurate data does not and will not stop abuse.
Keith Drazek (Verisign)
01:37:05
One concern is the issues of data accuracy and legal/natural are not quick or easy topics.
Marie Pattullo
01:38:01
Of course they're not Keith - that's why they need to be addressed properly.
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
01:38:45
Legal vs natural was debated to death in the PPSAI
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
01:38:54
the discussions went absolutely nowhere
Tom Dale
01:39:01
Are there other ways forward on accuracy issues other than the already fully-loaded EPDP? RDAP? Compliance?
Maxim Alzoba
01:39:08
if it is not doable then adding deadlock items kills the process
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
01:39:13
exactly Maxim
Pam Little, RrSG
01:39:29
@Tom, the draft work plan is proposing a scoping team on accuracy
Marie Pattullo
01:39:58
@Pam - surely more accurate data would allow all of us (the goods actors) to stop abuse more effectively, and rapidly?
Carlton Samuels
01:40:24
@Michele, riffing on process, I think the one on Transfer Policy is the poster boy. It seems to me the problem is well defined. Where I come from a good problem definition always project the solution; one set of fellas say the data delivered on a transfer is problematic and could be more so with Temp Spec and GDPR. We know what those are. So, why not just make an alignment adjustment and solve the problem? So now, here we are, contemplating a PDP to take 2 years to solution. Gotta be a better way.
Maxim Alzoba
01:40:25
@Marie, but removing ability to use it (via delay in implementation) will not
Pam Little, RrSG
01:41:20
The bad guys can easily fill out perfectly accurate data when they register a domain name.
Maxim Alzoba
01:42:04
formally if bad guys are using real life data of some poor guy - it might be both accurate and totally non suable
Maxim Alzoba
01:42:41
Flip: the way where it was 3-4-5 is not good, and PDP 3.0 is the answer
Carlton Samuels
01:42:46
Data accuracy is another one. Is anybody sentient willing to argue that inaccurate data is not worth the keyboard that wrote it?
Tatiana Tropina
01:42:47
hi all, sorry for missing the first hour. Teaching schedules are mystery and misery
Rafik Dammak
01:43:26
EPDP is almost in its 2nd year
Nathalie Peregrine
01:43:29
Welcome Tatiana!
Tom Dale
01:45:19
The meaning of the term “expedited” is looking a little strained - albeit for practical reasons.
Emily Barabas
01:45:31
Draft Work Plan: https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/draft-framework-council-work-plan-14apr20-en.pdf
erikamann
01:45:41
Maybe it’s a good time to remind that the European Commission started the GDPR first review … maybe there’s a way to connect topics one can’t solve now, closer in alignment with the EC process.
Maxim Alzoba
01:46:20
waiving fines would be great (in cases related to accuracy )
Philippe Fouquart
01:47:04
Hope the third year on the planning isn't 20222....
Maxim Alzoba
01:47:10
without it there is a legal liability and there is no way DPAs take into account just words of EPDP team
Rafik Dammak
01:47:21
@phillipe why not :)
Philippe Fouquart
01:47:44
@Rafik :) Just wishful thinking I guess
Philippe Fouquart
01:48:03
we won't be there to know anyway... :s
Emily Barabas
01:57:09
Scoping Team Report: https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/transfer-policy-review-scoping-team-06apr20-en.pdf
Keith Drazek (Verisign)
01:57:20
Thanks Emily
Philippe Fouquart
02:00:06
Thanks Pam, & leadership for putting this on hold and defer to the next meeting. Given the circumstances, it woud have been very difficult to consult with our consistuency.
Emily Barabas
02:03:29
Suggested approach document: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/council/attachments/20200324/70f17810/Wave1Rec27-Possiblenextsteps-24March2020-0001.docx
Nathalie Peregrine
02:10:01
GNSO Chair election timeline: https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/proposed-council-chair-27mar20-en.pdf
Pam Little, RrSG
02:12:00
Maybe we can extend Keith’s term given the COVID-19 pandemic?
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
02:12:08
hah
James Gannon
02:12:09
=)
Maxim Alzoba
02:12:18
+1 at least until it ends?
Rafik Dammak
02:12:36
@pam we need to stress it is not a punishment :D
Emily Barabas
02:14:29
EPDP package is available here: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=105388008
Keith Drazek (Verisign)
02:22:30
Can we put that doc back up on the screen?
Keith Drazek (Verisign)
02:22:37
The work plan doc
Maxim Alzoba
02:23:03
audio issues?
James Gannon
02:23:07
yup
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:23:12
yes
Marie Pattullo
02:23:13
Keith - can't hear you
Philippe Fouquart
02:23:17
you're "fading away" Keith....
Juan Manuel Rojas
02:23:18
Too low
Maxim Alzoba
02:23:19
we barely hear you , Keith
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:23:20
faded
Nathalie Peregrine
02:23:20
You’re faint
Flip Petillion
02:23:20
difficult
James Gannon
02:23:22
Very faint mic
John McElwaine
02:23:23
Little quiet
Maxim Alzoba
02:23:31
it is start to yell
Nathalie Peregrine
02:23:31
better
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:23:35
back
Maxim Alzoba
02:23:43
back
Marie Pattullo
02:26:19
On accuracy, as we no longer have the ability to file accuracy reports (no ARS) after data is collected, ensuring accuracy when it is collected seems fundamental.
Maxim Alzoba
02:29:29
do we have a URL (beyond mail)?
Maxim Alzoba
02:29:34
for the work plan
Nathalie Peregrine
02:30:01
Maxim: https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/draft-framework-council-work-plan-14apr20-en.pdf
Tatiana Tropina
02:30:10
oh god.
Steve Chan
02:30:14
@Maxim, yes, it’s the first item listed on the GNSO Drafts page here: https://gnso.icann.org/en/council/drafts
Maxim Alzoba
02:30:16
thanks
Tatiana Tropina
02:30:32
Keith, what is “core”?
Carlton Samuels
02:30:33
@Marie +1. It is at collection point the tools and requirements needed
James Gannon
02:31:12
The feedback from our constituency was to have as few meetings as possible to not disrupt and make people feel the obligation to attend
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
02:32:21
is there meant to be something on the screen about the schedule?
Nathalie Peregrine
02:32:52
@michele we don’t have anything to show yet, this should be coming shortly - next week.
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
02:32:59
ah ok
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
02:33:03
thought I was missing something :)
Tom Dale
02:33:38
The Board Resolution referenced SO/AC preference for cross-community policy dialogue, topical webinars and regular WG meetings.
James Gannon
02:34:51
4 hours per day?
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
02:34:53
3 hours for plenary I understand
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
02:35:07
5am to 8am for us James a chara
Mary Wong
02:35:18
A proposed 4-hour block at a time friendly to APAC/KL for the core sessions, yes.
James Gannon
02:35:20
Go h'iontach ar fad
Tatiana Tropina
02:35:41
KL time… Will keep us wonderfully awake at night here in Europe.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:36:07
KL is pn UTC +8
Nathalie Peregrine
02:36:10
4:00 am UTC start time 8:00 am UTC end time.
Tatiana Tropina
02:36:25
Not only Europe, but Africa and Latin America are in trouble. In terms of time zone
Pam Little, RrSG
02:36:31
Thanks Michele :-)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:36:42
:-)
Rafik Dammak
02:36:45
Icann67 hours were from midnight to 7:00am :)
Tatiana Tropina
02:36:59
Rafik we sympathise.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:37:05
INdeed @Rafik
Maxim Alzoba
02:37:21
audio
Maxim Alzoba
02:37:35
barely hear Keith again
Michele Neylon (Blacknight)
02:39:52
I though ICANN tech support was a problem outside the “core” hours?
Tatiana Tropina
02:40:22
I wonder how ICANN tech support is gong to work on APAC time at all? and where from?
Maxim Alzoba
02:40:57
Singapore hub tech guys?
Tom Dale
02:40:57
Distributed model.
Mary Wong
02:41:52
@Tatiana, the biggest technical challenge for org staff is that we will not be in a central location. For ICANN67, we had techs and LS in LA. We will not have that for ICANN68 so it will be more challenging to provide interpretation, RTT etc.
Tatiana Tropina
02:41:55
And interpreters at 5 am? :)
Keith Drazek (Verisign)
02:42:19
Apologies for my audio issues, not sure what's going on.
Rafik Dammak
02:42:24
nothing that enough coffee can resolve :p
Maarten Simon (ccNSO liaison to the GNSO)
02:42:27
Sorry, have eto leave now
Marie Pattullo
02:42:32
Can we keep Council at *our* time at least?
Mary Wong
02:42:57
@Tatiana, we are working through what our internal capacity is, as regards full-on tech and language services. But as Steve and I said, Policy support staff will be available for all the GNSO sessions.
Maxim Alzoba
02:43:01
+1 Marie, it would be great to keep current time
Tatiana Tropina
02:43:51
@Mary, thank you.
Mary Wong
02:44:08
As the GNSO does not normally require interpreters, that is fortunately not an additional limitation for your scheduling.
Marie Pattullo
02:44:10
Stay safe!
Maxim Alzoba
02:44:10
bye all
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:44:11
Bye all...
Rafik Dammak
02:44:14
Thanks all
Pam Little, RrSG
02:44:17
Thanks all
Flip Petillion
02:44:17
Thanks bye !
Tatiana Tropina
02:44:18
thanks all! Take care. Bye
James Gannon
02:44:21
Thanks All
John McElwaine
02:44:23
Bye