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ICANN 67 - GNSO Council Meeting
Amr Elsadr
58:19
Question: Is this the same zoom meeting room Councilors are using? Do we get to see their chat? :-)
James Gannon - Councilor
58:30
Yup special session Amr =)
Amr Elsadr
58:32
…, oh…, and hi all. :-)
Amr Elsadr
58:38
@James: Thanks.
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
58:42
@Amr, they use invisible font
Amr Elsadr
58:57
@Maxim: Of course “they” do. How silly of me. :-)
Marie Pattullo - Councilor
58:58
You'll see how utterly fascinating we are, Amr :-).
Amr Elsadr
59:15
@Marie: Oh…, I already know, of course. ;-)
Steve Chan
59:16
Hello, my name is Steve Chan and I will be monitoring this chat room. There is an open mic session at the very end of this meeting for comments and questions for participants who are not Councilors.
Steve Chan
01:00:56
Comments or questions outside the open mic session will not be read out loud. However, If you want your question read out loud, start your sentence with <QUESTION> and end it with <QUESTION>. If you want your comment read aloud, start your sentence with a <COMMENT> and end it with <COMMENT>.
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
01:01:06
please use only parliamentary language :)
michaelrgraham
01:01:13
Those of us who have spent years “virtually attending” welcome all who are new to this experience.
Nathalie Peregrine
01:06:15
Full agenda can be found here: https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Final+Proposed+Agenda+11+March+2020
Nathalie Peregrine
01:07:28
Action item list: https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Action+Items
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
01:07:38
I have a note about project list PDF
Nathalie Peregrine
01:08:46
GNSO Project List: https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/projects-list-09mar20-en.pdf
Jeffrey Neuman
01:12:27
Where are we on the outside consultation report on the Consensus Building tools?
Heather Forrest
01:12:50
Good question, Jeff!
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
01:12:58
@Jeff try <QUESTION> </Question>
Jeffrey Neuman
01:13:21
<Questions> Where are we on the outside consultation report on the Consensus Building tools?<QUestion>
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:14:29
Indeed we were (ALAC/At-Large)
Edmon
01:17:53
asap :-D
Nathalie Peregrine
01:20:07
GNSO Project list: https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/projects-list-09mar20-en.pdf
Philippe Fouquart - Councilor
01:25:40
@Berry: in your presentation, would you please remind us of how %comp is measured (deliverables, milestones etc.). eg 81% for EPDP (not 80, not 82.. :s) Thanks.
Berry Cobb
01:26:23
@Philippe, I will talk to that when turned over to me.
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
01:26:34
@Phillippe I think it is the ‘sense of the progress’
Philippe Fouquart - Councilor
01:28:30
Thanks Maxim that's the question: _81_ doesn't reflect a "sense" to me... (but maybe that's just me....)
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
01:29:10
blurry logics
Jeffrey Neuman
01:32:20
<COMMENT> Now that SubPro got approval for an extension, shouldn't that now be Green for on target as opposed to at risk?</Comment>
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
01:32:58
@Jeff, it is still beyond pervious expectations
Cheryl Langdon-Orr - ALAC Liaison to GNSO Council
01:33:00
Well noted @Jeff (with my clear biase obviously)
Jeffrey Neuman
01:33:28
@Maxim, if that is the standard, then everything would be "at risk"
Jeffrey Neuman
01:33:34
or "in trouble"
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
01:33:57
@Jeff, I think it means attention
Flip Petillion -Councilor
01:34:07
@jeff and cheryl - yes !
Jeffrey Neuman
01:35:56
@Maxim - with all due respect, I don't believe SubPro needs attention or is at risk
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
01:37:11
@Jeff, if something slipped timelines couple of times, it is worth looking at … from the project management point of view, we are not PR agency
Cheryl Langdon-Orr - ALAC Liaison to GNSO Council
01:37:20
I am a fan of using GANTT chart/project Mx
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
01:37:48
@Cheryl , representation does not change substance
Jeffrey Neuman
01:38:56
@Maxim - it has been looked at, we did a request for extension, it was approved, and as the 2 Co-Chairs believe we are on target, that should be controlling. We are "not at risk".
Philippe Fouquart - Councilor
01:39:09
Thanks Berry. Very clear, forgot about EPDP trailblazing the application of PDP3.0
Cheryl Langdon-Orr - ALAC Liaison to GNSO Council
01:39:25
indeed @Keff
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
01:39:35
@Jeff, I think it is a good point of view, but the manager of the PDPs is the Council , not PDP WG
Cheryl Langdon-Orr - ALAC Liaison to GNSO Council
01:40:00
We are * Well Aware* of that @Maxim...
Cheryl Langdon-Orr - ALAC Liaison to GNSO Council
01:40:12
let's agree to disagree on this at this stage
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
01:40:12
so I hope it is updated to at least yellow
Jeffrey Neuman
01:40:28
@Maxim - and what is the basis when the 2 co-chairs and the Council Liaison are of the same view which is different than yours
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
01:41:09
@Jeff, definetely, that is why I think it might not be need to be red, but not necessary green, probably yellow
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
01:41:34
this PDF is internal Council document
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
01:42:55
@Berry - maybe light blue for the items in hands of the Board?
Keith Drazek (Verisign) - Councilor (Chair)
01:44:35
We will move to a review of each project next...and shortly.
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
01:44:45
with RPMs there was a delay caused by one of the members
Michele Neylon (Blacknight) - Councilor
01:47:21
A couple of the PDPs have had issues
Tom Dale - Councilor (NomCom appointee)
01:48:22
There is a qualitative as well as a quantitative element to assessing progress and issues. Both need to be taken into account.
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
01:49:13
I think it is more about deliverables and milestones (about %)
Berry Cobb
01:49:21
Thank you Tom. qualitative vs. quantitative was what I was trying to say earlier.
James Gannon - Councilor
01:51:39
Cool sounds like Im not too far off the mark then good work
Greg Shatan
01:51:54
RACI Matrix = Responsible, Accountable, Consulted, and Informed
Greg Shatan
01:52:31
Or it could be the unrated director’s cut of Keanu Reeves’ greatest movie.
James Gannon - Councilor
01:52:50
Thanks Greg, sorry got caught up in project management speak there =)
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
01:53:12
targeting and execution ? thanks
Amr Elsadr
01:53:38
@Greg: A Walk in the Clouds?
Greg Shatan
01:54:03
I was impressed @James. I’ve been saying there’s not enough Project Mgmt expertise in the ICANN ecosystem....
James Gannon - Councilor
01:54:39
Been suggesting a PMP approach since 2015 =) https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/report-comments-aoc-org-reviews-13jul15-en.pdf
Greg Shatan
01:55:05
@Amr, I was thinking of Bill & Ted’s Excellent Adventure, but okay.
James Gannon - Councilor
01:55:23
(Also that makes me feel old now 5 years ago)
Amr Elsadr
01:55:24
@Greg: Oh…, you win!! :-)
James Gannon - Councilor
01:57:28
https://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-proposed-aoc-org-reviews-process-15may15/pdfRH97TBOsi7.pdf Detailed comments on Program Management approach here for those interested
Marika Konings
01:57:56
Sorry about audio issues…
Greg Shatan
01:59:08
@James, if you want to feel old, consider that The Matrix came out over 20 years ago and Bill & Ted came out over 30 years ago (and for @Amr, A Walk in the Clouds came out 25 years ago).
Mary Wong
01:59:29
@James, ICANN org is currently evaluating its approach to project/program management as well as CRM.
Rafik Dammak - Councilor (Vice Chair)
02:00:08
Council comment on icann budget asking for FTE PgM and PM in addition to tools
James Gannon - Councilor
02:00:20
Excellent Mary, super happy to hear that, please let folks know I have been commenting on this for many years so if I can be of help please pass my name along.
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
02:00:29
it looks to be JUst Do it TM approach
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
02:00:58
@James , CRM can not replace need in actual work
James Gannon - Councilor
02:01:21
Correct, but it can help with capacity planning and management for sure.
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
02:02:27
we can not use enterprise approach and kill stale projects firing people … so not necessary
Rubens Kuhl
02:03:02
We could fire up stale project killing people...
Marika Konings
02:03:06
Note this procedure is also identified in the Rec 27 Wave 1 Report
Keith Drazek (Verisign) - Councilor (Chair)
02:03:17
Thanks Marika
Mary Wong
02:03:47
@James, thank you, will do! And yes, improving our PM & CRM approach is in service to facilitating effective and efficient community work, not a replacement.
Amr Elsadr
02:06:44
“wave” being used interchangeably with “phase”?
Amr Elsadr
02:07:20
Or is wave 1 of the EPDP something other than phase 1?
Marie Pattullo - Councilor
02:07:22
When is the call for volunteers going out for the IGOs - any idea?
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
02:07:22
wave is more about shell-shock after the blast [phase]
Rafik Dammak - Councilor (Vice Chair)
02:07:26
@amr no “wave" is more used for the Rec 27 context :)
Amr Elsadr
02:07:40
Ah…, ok. Thanks, Rafik.
Berry Cobb
02:08:05
There will be a Wave 2 report for other consensus policies impacted from the EPDP-P1.
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
02:08:52
@Keith, is chair for RPMs 2 a work for SSC?
Julf Helsingius GNSO Council Liaison to the GAC
02:10:01
I guess it should
James Gannon - Councilor
02:10:05
Music to my ears Berry =)
Marie Pattullo - Councilor
02:10:15
Aren't we generally asking a WG to choose its Chair?
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
02:10:32
toothpick tossed?
Julf Helsingius GNSO Council Liaison to the GAC
02:10:52
Marie: we didn't for the EPDP
Julf Helsingius GNSO Council Liaison to the GAC
02:11:13
but the EPDP is of course special in many ways
Rafik Dammak - Councilor (Vice Chair)
02:11:21
@marie for that work track, council will do the selection as indicated in the charter.
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
02:11:41
@Marie, EPDP Chairs were chosen by the Council leaership with the help of SSC
Marie Pattullo - Councilor
02:11:48
Sure - but yes, difference. Don't think we specified that in the IGO charter?
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
02:11:52
more consultaion of SSC
Marie Pattullo - Councilor
02:12:10
Ah - sorry Rafik, missed that. Thanks!
Julf Helsingius GNSO Council Liaison to the GAC
02:12:19
Or actually use SSC for what it is there for? :)
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
02:13:00
@Julf, it was during my term
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
02:13:26
in SSC
James Gannon - Councilor
02:13:41
Much better audio Marika
Julf Helsingius GNSO Council Liaison to the GAC
02:13:42
@maxim indeed
Marika Konings
02:14:19
@Marie - the GNSO WG Guidelines foresee that “Unless a Chair has already been named by the Chartering Organization, normally a Chair will be selected at the first meeting of the WG.” So it is within the remit of the Council to appoint to Chair should it decide too, like it did for the EPDP.
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
02:16:15
in RPMs the pace changed to better than it was (personal opinion as a member of that WG)
Marie Pattullo - Councilor
02:16:48
+1, Maxim.
Julie Hedlund
02:17:52
@Keith: We are on track for 18 March, at which point the status will change.
John McElwaine - Councilor
02:19:00
Also I was remiss to not mention a huge thanks to staff that worked hard to keep the RPM WG on track during three intense meetings.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr - ALAC Liaison to GNSO Council
02:19:11
Nothing from me
Greg Shatan
02:19:14
whatgoodlookslike.com is for sale for $5500.00
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
02:19:24
@Greg, no ads
Pam Little - Councilor (Vice Chair)
02:19:47
Re RPM WG - really good to hear all the positive developments.
Greg Shatan
02:20:01
I’m not selling, @Maxim. Must be Keith.
James Gannon - Councilor
02:20:17
whatgoodlookslike.ie only 5.99 =)
Jeffrey Neuman
02:20:45
Who filled this in
Jeffrey Neuman
02:21:21
Shouldn't the Co-Chairs be consulted on this?
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
02:21:34
Council should
Jeffrey Neuman
02:21:42
@Steve - I completely disagree with these determinations
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
02:22:42
the counsultation should be with the GNSO Leadership
Cheryl Langdon-Orr - ALAC Liaison to GNSO Council
02:22:46
I think the term is *consulting at all* @Steve ;-)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr - ALAC Liaison to GNSO Council
02:23:36
We are surprised if Flip is seeing this condition but so be it...
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
02:26:46
RySG delivered the rating of the issues
Marika Konings
02:27:56
In order to provide some more context to this list, it may be worth trying to quantify what the possible impact is of not addressing the issue?
Michele Neylon (Blacknight) - Councilor
02:30:57
<comment> That’s not true - RrSG polled its members
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
02:31:08
RySG represents more that 3 councillorsm it was opinion of members
Tom Dale - Councilor (NomCom appointee)
02:31:10
@Marika That is a very helpful suggestion
griffinbarnett
02:31:13
So did IPC
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
02:31:20
RySG used poll
Rubens Kuhl
02:31:51
RySG+RrSG = 90% of CPH
Michele Neylon (Blacknight) - Councilor
02:32:04
And 95%+ of domain registrations
Michele Neylon (Blacknight) - Councilor
02:34:09
The RrSG polled its members on this
Michele Neylon (Blacknight) - Councilor
02:34:12
As did other groups
James Gannon - Councilor
02:34:28
We also polled our members just for the record.
Michele Neylon (Blacknight) - Councilor
02:34:31
To say that the “vote” only reflects the input of the councillors is simply not true
Michele Neylon (Blacknight) - Councilor
02:34:43
We represent our SGs + Cs
Michele Neylon (Blacknight) - Councilor
02:34:49
We channel their views
Rubens Kuhl
02:36:13
At least for RySG, RrSG and CSG. NCSG councillors are not bound, although sometimes guided.
Rubens Kuhl
02:36:31
NCAs also not bound.
stephanieeperrin
02:40:03
As Rubens has suggested, sometimes NCSG is a wee bit misguided…..
stephanieeperrin
02:40:23
(That was supposed to be a joke, in case anyone is wondering)
Rubens Kuhl
02:40:54
Stephanie, every family has a problem child... ;-)
Philippe Fouquart - Councilor
02:41:25
Audio problem
Philippe Fouquart - Councilor
02:41:28
I'll pass
stephanieeperrin
02:41:31
Yes, in the NCSG we fight over that role a lot....
Philippe Fouquart - Councilor
02:41:32
Thx
Amr Elsadr
02:41:49
<QUESTION> To Rafik’s point, is there a reason why IRD is not on this list at all? Not even at the bottom? <QUESTION>
Michele Neylon (Blacknight) - Councilor
02:42:33
IRD?
Amr Elsadr
02:43:15
The phase 1 final report also stated that requirements regarding data accuracy are not affected by any of the phase 1 recommendations.
Pam Little - Councilor (Vice Chair)
02:43:48
“EPDP Team Recommendation #4.The EPDP Team recommends that requirements related to the accuracy of registration data under the current ICANN contracts and consensus policies shall not be affected by this policy.”
Marika Konings
02:43:52
@Amr - What is the open item on IRD? The expert report was forwarded to the RDS PDP WG, as per the letter. it was just input provided to the RDS PDP WG, no specific policy issues were identified, as far as I recall. If there are specific issues that the Council should consider, it would be good to frame these up?
stephanieeperrin
02:44:09
I strongly support what Keith is saying about accuracy. I do not recall including it as a topic in scoping the Charter.
Amr Elsadr
02:44:10
@Pam: Thanks. :-)
Rubens Kuhl
02:44:27
We should note that GDPR definition of accuracy is data subject-centric, not 3rd-party-centric.
Pam Little - Councilor (Vice Chair)
02:44:28
No worries, @Amr
Marie Pattullo - Councilor
02:44:53
Accuracy is vital and is being debated by the legal team in the EPDP, including asking Bird & Bird more questions.
Amr Elsadr
02:44:57
@Marika: There were 3 high-level policy issues identified by the IRD-EWG.
Rubens Kuhl
02:45:04
So we need to keep GDPR definition and ICANN-sphere definition apart and reflect which one we are talking about.
stephanieeperrin
02:45:13
Precisely Rubens, and trust me I have pointed that out so many times my head is getting flat from hammering against the wall...
Amr Elsadr
02:45:18
@Marika: 1. Registrants should only be required to input registration data in a language(s) or script(s) with which they are skilled.2. A Registry must be able to accept and store any language or script that might reasonably be expected to be used in its target market.3. Unless explicitly stated otherwise, all data elements should be tagged with the language(s) and script(s) in use, and this information should always be available with the data element.
James Gannon - Councilor
02:45:28
I’ve invited Amr to the April meeting to discuss the open IRD topics (Marika its on the google doc if u want to see the background mail from Amr)
Philippe Fouquart - Councilor
02:45:35
Aplogies for the audio issue. For the record, re prioritisation, the ISPCP identified two areas of importance to them: a) structural/PM reform: PDP 3.0 and evolution of the MS model and b) the follow-up on IDN scoping
Marie Pattullo - Councilor
02:45:43
Accuracy has continuously been brought up by the GAC, including he European Commission.
Marika Konings
02:45:50
Note that some issues were deferred from phase 1 to phase 2, although for this one it did not specifically mention phase 2 but “is expected to be considered further”.
Marie Pattullo - Councilor
02:45:57
Bird & Bird has given answers on this,
Marie Pattullo - Councilor
02:46:27
The EPDP's questions on accuracy are very narrow,
Farell Folly - Councilor
02:46:27
If some people are still getting confused about the term “vote” and “views” I used, please don’t get me wrong, I was only tackling the statistic validity of the survey, but The chair corrected that it was not a binding survey. So all is clear.
Rubens Kuhl
02:46:32
Both accuracies might be important... but they are like water and oil.
Marie Pattullo - Councilor
02:47:47
I am told that many - most? - of the legal team did agree that these questions should be addressed, Taya,
Rubens Kuhl
02:47:57
GDPR-wise, if I type "Mickey Mouse" as the registrant, it's accurate. If someone changes to "Donald Duck", no longer accurate.
Michele Neylon (Blacknight) - Councilor
02:48:10
Rubens - exactly
James Gannon - Councilor
02:48:17
Correct Rubens
Michele Neylon (Blacknight) - Councilor
02:48:19
Nice example
Marika Konings
02:48:23
@James / @Amr - are you proposing to commence a PDP on that topic or does it belong in one of the ongoing efforts? I would need to refresh my mind, but I recall that the Board passed the report on to the Council which passed it on to the RDS PDP WG which did not produce any recommendations in response.
Amr Elsadr
02:48:44
There are only a few minutes left on the call? When will the floor open up to non-councilors to offer comments?
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
02:48:52
8
Rubens Kuhl
02:48:57
And neither Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck is the real person registering the domain, so it fails ICANN-accuracy.
vgreimann
02:49:02
data accuracy is not relevant for our work
stephanieeperrin
02:49:05
This accuracy issue is a classic case of a Review team’s recommendations being dropped into a pdp in my opinion…..there was undue focus on accuracy in the WHOIS review team 2 exercise.
Amr Elsadr
02:49:08
@Marika: I’d say it needs to stay on the Council’s radar for a future PDP.
vgreimann
02:49:21
it is already regulated in the RAA sufficiently
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
02:49:22
@Rubens, people can change IDs to those names
Marie Pattullo - Councilor
02:49:25
Thanks but disagree: if it's outside the scope, why was it mentioned in the Phase 1 report?
stephanieeperrin
02:49:46
Not of course to imply that accuracy did not exist as a priority for data requestors forever
Rubens Kuhl
02:49:56
@Maxim, in some jurisdictions, yes. In mine it would put me in trouble.
Keith Drazek (Verisign) - Councilor (Chair)
02:50:11
Noting Marie's disagreement for the record.
Rubens Kuhl
02:50:50
Unless I get a court order to change my name, which will likely not happen with those examples.
Marie Pattullo - Councilor
02:51:00
Thanks Keith - given the comments above, better make that "noting the BC's disagreement". We've polled/asked/discussed/delete as appropriate...
Keith Drazek (Verisign) - Councilor (Chair)
02:51:16
Right, thanks Marie.
vgreimann
02:51:39
surprise surprise
Rafik Dammak - Councilor (Vice Chair)
02:51:53
@volker kinder surprise :)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr - ALAC Liaison to GNSO Council
02:52:46
quite a bit of side chatter
Cheryl Langdon-Orr - ALAC Liaison to GNSO Council
02:53:25
that is a Flag for action
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
02:53:25
Do I understand it right that Jeff is asking for escalation?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr - ALAC Liaison to GNSO Council
02:53:40
No Maxim not at all
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
02:53:42
for formal reasons
Berry Cobb
02:53:59
It did trigger the action. That was the PCR the PDP just went through.
Flip Petillion -Councilor
02:54:11
no not at all Maxim
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
02:54:13
then it should be there is not need for escalation, because the PDP is back on track
Greg Shatan
02:54:17
@Jeff, maybe there are even worse categories that would trigger escalation.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr - ALAC Liaison to GNSO Council
02:54:26
he is asking if our PDP *is* Ät-Risk"what does that mean to our work and in PD Action
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
02:54:37
please paint it yellow
Berry Cobb
02:54:38
The PDP3.0 contain definition of the Status / Health. There is also a change procedure.
Berry Cobb
02:55:13
PDP3.0 Final Report.
Jeffrey Neuman
02:55:18
@Berry - THe request is approved, yet it is still labeled at yellow
Cheryl Langdon-Orr - ALAC Liaison to GNSO Council
02:55:22
and so we will expect that action to occur now Berry …
Jeffrey Neuman
02:55:28
which means it should have further escalation, right?
Berry Cobb
02:55:37
4 Years, 8 previous date changes.
Jeffrey Neuman
02:55:43
FOr the record, I disagree completely with the designation
stephanieeperrin
02:55:44
“In trouble” should include rushing ahead and ignoring buried land mines, in my opinion. Making progress is great, parking difficult issues in order to get ahead is buying trouble. Those charts are excellent, I am sure Berry has a code in there somewhere for these buried treasures, but I missed it…
Ariel Liang
02:55:54
Please check PDP 3.0 Final Report page 100 about the meaning of the various status/condition: http://go.icann.org/pdp3dot0
Jeffrey Neuman
02:56:06
@Ariel - of course I have read it
Berry Cobb
02:56:12
The procedure here, is PDP leadership should work with support staff and liaison to discuss what the codes should be.
Greg Shatan
02:56:18
“Dumpster Fire” or “Clown Show” status levels will trigger escalation.
Jeffrey Neuman
02:56:19
but something is broken
Berry Cobb
02:56:34
If there is disagreement, the Liaison should take it back to the Council.....as managers of the process.
Berry Cobb
02:56:39
That's the escalation.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr - ALAC Liaison to GNSO Council
02:56:47
He is NOT alone in that @Keith
Jeffrey Neuman
02:56:51
Its not the color...it should have meaning
Jeffrey Neuman
02:57:00
that's all, it should trigger action
Jeffrey Neuman
02:57:11
and I would love suggestions as to what we can do better
vgreimann
02:57:12
I like the in scope part best
Cheryl Langdon-Orr - ALAC Liaison to GNSO Council
02:57:26
we have arranged to follow up with Flip on Monday so we *WILL* get back to you
Flip Petillion -Councilor
02:57:49
Yes and Flip does not agree
Jeffrey Neuman
02:58:43
Thanks Flip. But Again I don't want to make this about the color. I want to make sure that when something has a status, it has meaning and triggers action
Rubens Kuhl
02:58:48
Also some local laws might have penalties for misrepresenting one's identity.
griffinbarnett
02:59:07
GDPR states: Personal data shall be: … rate and, where necessary, kept up to date; every reasonable step must be taken to ensure that personal data that are inaccurate, having regard to the purposes for which they are processed, are erased or rectified without delay (‘accuracy’). (Art. 5).
Marie Pattullo - Councilor
02:59:07
It's in the Temp Spec, Amr.
griffinbarnett
02:59:13
The GDPR does not define the word ‘accurate’. However, the Data Protection Act 2018 does say that ‘inaccurate’ means “incorrect or misleading as to any matter of fact”.
griffinbarnett
02:59:45
Sorry above quote from GDPR was cut off at the beginning… “Personal data shall be … accurate and, where necessary….."
Rubens Kuhl
03:00:09
Data Protection Act 2018 is UK, not EU.
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
03:00:35
UK is not there anymore
griffinbarnett
03:00:35
It’s just an example of how to interpret… I can probably find other examples if not doing it on the fly
Rubens Kuhl
03:00:36
So, it's applicable to UK registrants.
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
03:00:58
TempSpec was in response to GDPR
Greg Shatan
03:01:34
Temp Spec was used to scope EPDP
Marie Pattullo - Councilor
03:01:42
And Temp Spec includes accuracy.
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
03:01:55
@Marie, not ICANN Accuracy
vgreimann
03:02:01
Amr said it like it is
vgreimann
03:02:27
context, Greg, context.
Greg Shatan
03:02:32
Temp Spec 4.1, 4.3, 4.4.2 and Appendix C all reference accuracy.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr - ALAC Liaison to GNSO Council
03:02:40
Bye for n0w
Pam Little - Councilor (Vice Chair)
03:02:41
Thank you all
Tatiana Tropina (NCSG) - Councilor
03:02:45
thanks all!
Amr Elsadr
03:02:45
Thanks all. Bye.
Philippe Fouquart - Councilor
03:02:45
Thanks. Bye all.
Carlton Samuels - Councilor
03:02:45
Thank you all. Thanks staff!
Rafik Dammak - Councilor (Vice Chair)
03:02:45
Thanks all
Maxim Alzoba- Councilor
03:02:46
thanks all , good night
James Gannon - Councilor
03:02:51
Slan!