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051040043 - EPDP-Phase 2A Team Call - Shared screen with speaker view
Terri Agnew
31:54
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Thomas Rickert (ISPCP)
34:40
And now for the benefit of panellists and attendees: I like the language, Becky.
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
34:50
becky I have my hand
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
34:52
up
Terri Agnew
36:00
@Hadia we can barely hear you.
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
36:15
ok I shall re join
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
37:12
+1 Melina
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
37:49
This is what I wanted to say
margiemilam
39:36
+1 Melina’s point
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
40:31
So what is the merit of being so precise - just accurately describing what we want serves the purpose
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
41:43
@Stephan even if this is the case - whether we mention it or not has no benefit
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
42:13
+1 Margie
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
43:15
Agree to me too makes more sense
Caitlin Tubergen
43:56
Reminder that these definitions are not the only definitions in the Google Doc.
Caitlin Tubergen
44:41
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vofZIqnY-xCaKMte1q_tiAwAfGwkwsu1/edit
Caitlin Tubergen
44:58
As Becky has noted, the GDPR definitions are already captured in the terminology table.
Thomas Rickert (ISPCP)
47:26
Why are we reopening this? We have the GDPR terminology in it and use that as the basis for policy language. Exactly as it should be done
Melina Stroungi (GAC)
47:42
indeed, so we maintain GDPR definitions mentioned in the table and only add a line for 'emails anonymized vis-a-vis third parties"
Melina Stroungi (GAC)
47:52
I don't believe is misleading
Melina Stroungi (GAC)
47:58
On the contrary
Melina Stroungi (GAC)
49:54
a unique contact shall refer to the registrant not the registration
Melina Stroungi (GAC)
51:13
precisely. This is why I suggested deleting the B& B definitions
Terri Agnew
51:26
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Melina Stroungi (GAC)
55:33
sorry have to leave for another meeting - will go to mute / no sound mode and will try to come back
Jan Janssen
01:03:18
@ Margie: agree
margiemilam
01:07:15
I like: What risks remain?
Matthew Crossman
01:09:12
Agree Margie
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
01:12:11
@Becky sorry - I was disconnected , please go ahead and rewritre the question
Berry Cobb
01:12:25
Note: Melina has to drop for another call.
Matthew Crossman
01:14:33
I believe B&B stated in the prior memo that the current obligations appeared sufficient to meet the Accuracy principle
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
01:15:43
@Mathew this was before the new eu propsal
Thomas Rickert (ISPCP)
01:18:23
Margie, let’s deal with that then and not conflate it with a question on the adequacy of measures taken. The question to be asked here is what should be done to limit the risk of wrong self-identification and unlawful publication resulting thereof. It’s not about the data quality provided by the registrant.
margiemilam
01:23:34
That’s not how the B& B memo approaches accuracy
Berry Cobb
01:25:45
Just as a reminder, Becky cannot see the chat today, so I might suggest that comments be made verbally over text in the chat.
Melina Stroungi (GAC)
01:27:46
I am back
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
01:28:08
Hi melina
Berry Cobb
01:28:17
@Melina: we're on Q4 which is the one you submitted.
Melina Stroungi (GAC)
01:28:24
ok thanks
Melina Stroungi (GAC)
01:28:35
what is the debate?
Thomas Rickert (ISPCP)
01:29:34
Let’s not go KYC - the account holder would usually be the customer having the contract with the registrar.
Terri Agnew
01:31:03
Confirm - scheduled to go 30 more minutes
margiemilam
01:33:46
The current requirements are minimal - - email validation and formatting checks — no cross field validation or other verification
margiemilam
01:42:53
Yes-- I think that’s what I was lookin g for in this question
margiemilam
01:46:13
Thanks Keith
Caitlin Tubergen
01:47:45
Melina and Margie - can you commit to rewriting this question by COB Friday so that the Legal Committee has time to review it prior to Tuesday’s meeting?
margiemilam
01:47:51
yes
Melina Stroungi (GAC)
01:48:07
Noted - although this question is already linked to the legal v. natural discussion we will try to further refine it
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
01:48:31
They are not disclosing based on consent
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
01:48:53
RIPE NCC is disclosing data based on 6(1)(f)
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
01:49:02
legitimate interest
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
01:49:21
RIPE NCC is relying on legitimate interest
Thomas Rickert (ISPCP)
01:49:31
With all due respect, I think the RIPE approach is questionable…
Terri Agnew
01:52:09
@Hadia, we are unable to hear you
Berry Cobb
01:52:19
Hadia, having trouble hearing you again.
margiemilam
01:52:30
I can’t. Hear Hadia
Terri Agnew
01:52:36
@Hadia, it sounds like your mic is very far away
vgreimann
01:52:42
Sorry, your arguments are lost to me
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
01:53:02
I am sorry no I won't be able to
vgreimann
01:54:30
Just because there boy next door jumps out of the window does not mean I have to...
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
01:56:04
RIPE-NCC states: 􀂳[f]acili􀁗a􀁗ing coo􀁕dina􀁗ion be􀁗􀁚een ne􀁗􀁚o􀁕k operators (network problem resolution, outage notification etc.)􀂫i􀁖 􀁗he one[purpose] that justifies the publication of personal data in the RIPE-NCC Da􀁗aba􀁖e􀂴, and 􀁗ha􀁗 􀂳i􀁗 i􀁖 clea􀁕 􀁗ha􀁗 􀁗he 􀁓􀁕oce􀁖􀁖ing of 􀁓e􀁕􀁖onal da􀁗a 􀁕efe􀁕􀁕ing 􀁗oa resource holder is necessary for the performance of the registry function, which is carried out in the legitimate interest of the RIPE community and􀁗he 􀁖moo􀁗h o􀁓e􀁕a􀁗ion of 􀁗he In􀁗e􀁕ne􀁗 globall􀁜 (and i􀁖 􀁗he􀁕efo􀁕e in acco􀁕dance 􀁚i􀁗h A􀁕􀁗icle 6.1.f of 􀁗he GDPR)
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
01:56:15
the study page 51
vgreimann
01:56:25
???
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
01:57:02
Sorry I just copied and pasted a paragraph which ended up as shown
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
01:57:51
Page 51 of the study says that RIPE NCC relies on 6(1)(f) for the publication of the data
Keith Drazek (Verisign)
01:57:58
Hi all, as we approach the end of today's special call, I respectfully request that members and alternates on the Legal Committee conduct work and homework in between the scheduled meetings, over email, or in separate conversations. With very limited time for the full group's work, it's critical for this group to advance its work in a timely manner. I think good progress is being made, but we need to be more focused and efficient in our use of time. Thanks for all your work!
Melina Stroungi (GAC)
01:58:29
Thank you Keith, thank you everyone
vgreimann
01:58:32
Had, I have my doubt that the blanket balancing test would pass legal review
Caitlin Tubergen
02:00:49
Q3 = Becky
Caitlin Tubergen
02:00:57
Q4 = Melina + Margie
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
02:04:45
Ok thank you all - bye for now