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GNSO Council Meeting Part 1 - Shared screen with speaker view
Julie Hedlund - ICANN Org
58:16
Hello, my name is Julie Hedlund and I will be monitoring this chat room. In this role, I am the voice for the remote participants. Those who are not Councilors are welcome to join this session as silent observers. In addition, there will be an “open microphone” at the end of the session and you are all welcome to contribute during this part of meeting. Please note that I will read aloud comments/questions submitted in English within the time set by the Chair.When submitting a question or comment that you want me to read out loud on during the “open mic,” please start with a <QUESTION> and end with a “</QUESTION>” or <COMMENT> </COMMENT>. Text outside these quotes will be considered as part of “chat” and will not be read out loud on the microphone during the “open mic.”Please note that chat sessions are being archived and follow the ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior. http://www.icann.org/en/news/in-focus/accountability/expected-standards.
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
01:01:58
I always wondered why we do not have interpretation services like the ACs
Maxim Alzoba (RySG)
01:03:38
it could be one motion to save the text 🙂
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
01:04:08
Thank you everyone
Pam Little GNSO Council
01:04:12
Congrats, Jeff
Maxim Alzoba (RySG)
01:04:27
Congrats, Jeff
Marie Pattullo
01:04:33
Glutton for punishment, Jeff ;-).
Paul McGrady
01:04:33
Congrats Jeff!
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
01:05:09
lol. What can I say, After 25 years, I still like this stuff
Carlton Samuels
01:05:20
Yessir, congrats Jeff!
Chris Disspain
01:05:33
it’s a drug Jeff…A drug I tell you!!
Tatiana Tropina
01:05:44
Is ICANN already 25 years old? :D
Chris Disspain
01:06:14
Jeff was involved in utero
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
01:06:31
No, but I was involved in the IFWP, CORE, etc
Anne Aikman-Scalese, Lewis Roca Tucson
01:06:47
Congrats Jeff - I see a big advantage to having you serve in both roles in terms of coordination!
Tatiana Tropina
01:06:51
Now more acronyms to learn :-( after all these (not 25) years
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
01:07:40
Sorry, "Internet Forum for the White Paper", and the original Council of Registrars MoU
Martin Sutton
01:08:13
Congrats Jeff and thanks to all the candidates that stepped forward for the Liaison role
Annebeth Lange
01:08:59
Congratulations Jeff. I look forward to be following the process.
Heather Forrest
01:10:09
Congratulations, Jeff! Heartening to know that all of that knowledge of the small details of history and context from the PDP will be available through you to the Board and Org!
Maxim Alzoba (RySG)
01:15:02
this time it is about making a material change via the policy to almost all contracts of ICANN
Chris Disspain
01:18:14
Very well said Kurt
Jothan Frakes
01:18:26
+1
Volker Greimann (RRSG)
01:20:37
What is the scope of a PDP good for if it can be ignored despite objections by some of the participants.
Volker Greimann (RRSG)
01:21:04
If all participants agree to go beyond the scope, that would be fine, but if not...
Maxim Alzoba (RySG)
01:22:46
extinction of registrars and registries due to heavy GDPR fines will endanger Internet (those are part of the internet infrastructure), so we have to be careful
Pam Little GNSO Council
01:23:01
Well said, Greg.
Stephanie Perrin GNSO Council
01:23:06
+1 Greg
Kurt Pritz
01:25:26
Hi Glen - can you get on Skype?
Tatiana Tropina
01:29:25
For the record - I seconded the changes as the motion seconder.
Clement Genty - Meursault
01:29:48
Hi all !
Julie Hedlund - ICANN Org
01:31:08
As a reminder, when submitting a question or comment that you want me to read out loud on during the “open mic,” please start with a <QUESTION> and end with a “</QUESTION>” or <COMMENT> </COMMENT>. Text outside these quotes will be considered as part of “chat” and will not be read out loud on the microphone during the “open mic.”
Carlton Samuels
01:37:05
Here is a written statement: <COMMENT> I have been engaged in matters pertaining registration data since 2007.I believe I have heard, ad nauseam, every conceivable rational argument for or against standardizing process and procedure for collection, curation, access and disclosure of registration data.I am well aware of the privacy issues that have been debated for as long as I have caucused in this environment. I believe certain registration data ought to be available in the ordinary in furtherance of maintaining consumer confidence in the DNS and the security and continued well-being of the DNS.The minority views recorded contra the decisions of this EPDP Phase 2A are persuasive and align with my thinking on data quality and integrity. The tentative tinkering which was reported from the PDP is, in my view, not nearly enough.The Board may yet exercise its authority and reject these recommendations from the GNSO by a supermajority vote.But I would not wish to connive at error. I vote NO. </END>
Maxim Alzoba (RySG)
01:37:09
not many legal bodies involved in the DNS abuse, so the change would not achieve much
Volker Greimann (RRSG)
01:38:40
<Comment> No one has been able to substantiate any benefits in non-redaction of pure legal person data, especially given that the wrongdoers and abusers are not going about setting up Evil, Inc’s left and right to make their registrations. Differentiation is therefore to be assumed to do _nothing_ to address abuse issues. </comment>
Maxim Alzoba (RySG)
01:39:34
Council is the manager of the PDP, not the micromanager
Volker Greimann (RRSG)
01:40:13
IPC once again voting on substance, not on process...
Julie Hedlund - ICANN Org
01:40:14
@Carlton: Your statement/comment will be reflected in the minutes.
Volker Greimann (RRSG)
01:40:32
Someone apparently does not understand the Councils role
Mark Datysgeld
01:41:15
Juan is on email
Mark Datysgeld
01:41:21
From the Council list
Maxim Alzoba (RySG)
01:41:23
he sent an email
Maxim Alzoba (RySG)
01:43:34
Kudos to the WG and the Leadership of EPDP2a for the hard work
Stephanie Perrin GNSO Council
01:45:42
Apologies for Juan’s connection problems today. Such is life.
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
01:49:49
<COMMENT /Question for Open Mic later> Thank you for your confidence in me in being the ODP Liaison for SubPro. In that role, I would love to hear from the Council (and the community) about their expectations for the Liaison (aside from what is in the role description). More specifically, I am not asking you to evaluate the performance of the current SSAD ODP Liaison, but rather what do you like about what that Liaison does, what more can be done (if anything)? Is the amount of information you are getting from the SSAD ODP Liaison enough or is there more information you would like to get? How often do you expect to be briefed and what else can I do in the role for the Council and the GNSO? The role description makes it clear that I am limited as to what I can do in my personal capacity and I understand and agree with that. What it does not say is what is expected from the GNSO perspective and that is my question for you. Thank you again. <End Comment / Question>
Chris Disspain
01:55:34
FWIW - as someone involved in the setting up of the original Nom Comm I can say that the original intention was that appointees would come through that were ‘independent’. It was envisaged that, for example, a gtld person might be very beneficial to the ccNSO etc etc. This appears to have been lost as a goal over time...
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC Liaison to the GNSO Council
01:56:30
well noted IMO @Chris
Tomslin Samme-Nlar
01:57:38
Thanks @Chris. That is exactly my reason for supporting this proposal
Chris Disspain
01:57:51
so, as a further example, Tatiana is a classic appointment to the ccNSO
Anne Aikman-Scalese, Lewis Roca Tucson
01:57:53
This seems a bit inconsistent with the position taken that certain PDPs should operate on a representative model. If individuals are excluded from participating in PDPs because they aren't sufficiently knowledgeable or representative, then how does it make sense to express a preference for that in the Nom Com voting rep? Given the GNSO role in policy, it would seem that the best candidates for Nom Com would be those with significant PDP experience.
Tatiana Tropina
01:59:22
@Chris 🙂
Jothan Frakes
01:59:29
+1 Maxim
Wolf-Ulrich Knoben
01:59:30
@Pam: Very interesting approach. But wouldn’t this apply for all nominations the NomCom is responsible for, for instance Board seats?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC Liaison to the GNSO Council
01:59:52
It lready does @Wolf
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC Liaison to the GNSO Council
01:59:58
already
Tatiana Tropina
01:59:59
I don’t think one needs to be a part of the GNSO to have a PDP experience
Jothan Frakes
02:00:22
I agree with @Chris' comment above as well about the cross-exposure
Maxim Alzoba (RySG)
02:00:40
I meant NomCom candidates should not be affiliated between themself
Pam Little GNSO Council
02:00:49
@Wolf-Ulrich, indeed
Pam Little GNSO Council
02:01:04
See Guidance from the ICANN Board to the Nominating Committee Regarding Important Skills for Board Members<https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/botterman-to-jacobsen-11jan21-en.pdf>"Independence. It is important that the Board has some members who come from outside of the ICANN sector and industry, while having the necessary skills to come up to speed with DNS industry nuances and ICANN-specific issues, and to connect to the community."ccNSO Council: Specific Requirements for the NomCom appointee to the ccNSO Council<https://ccnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/field-attached/nomcom-appointee-specific-requirements-18dec20-en.pdf>
Tatiana Tropina
02:01:17
Of course it is achievable
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC Liaison to the GNSO Council
02:02:07
I draw your attention to the NomCom Review specific recommendation regarding the 'unaffiliated'status (as a preference where possible and practicle) [paraphrased] for Board Appointments by the NC
Wolf-Ulrich Knoben
02:02:15
Thanks CLO
Anne Aikman-Scalese, Lewis Roca Tucson
02:02:19
@Tatiana - Well it appears it will be quite difficult for individuals to have PDP Experience to the extent that more PDPs are intended to be representative in nature.
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:02:47
I think it says you cannot be a member of an SO or AC. So it cannot be someone in the ccNO or ALAC or even GAC.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC Liaison to the GNSO Council
02:03:15
What says that @Jeff??
Stephanie Perrin
02:03:45
Sorry I dropped, could I be promoted to panelist please? Thanks!
Alan Greenberg
02:04:53
Speaking as someone WITH a deep understanding and no affiliation (and who has no intention of applying!), I think that there are plenty of people who would be excellent candidates.
Maxim Alzoba (RySG)
02:05:05
it is not possible to predict all PDPs for two years
Tatiana Tropina
02:05:20
Will NomCom go to those type of granularities asking which PDPs the person was involved in to weigh this criteria?
Tatiana Tropina
02:05:31
Maxim, +1
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC Liaison to the GNSO Council
02:05:49
If it is a preference given in the JD then YES absolutely @Tatiana
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:06:42
@CLO - "preferences will be given to candidateswho are not affiliated with a SO/AC or GNSO Stakeholder Group or Constituency."
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC Liaison to the GNSO Council
02:07:01
the term there @Jeff is "preference"
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:07:12
@ALAN - you are affiliated with the ALAC, are you not?
Maxim Alzoba (RySG)
02:07:26
there could be a short EPDP, starting right after election, how will we forbid the Councillors to participate?? it will require changes to the PDP framework
Raymond Mamattah
02:07:28
Looks like NomCom appointees to the council will soon become unattractive.
Alan Greenberg
02:07:44
No affiliation with a GNSO SG/Const. (ie the other people voting)
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:07:47
Correct, it is preference...but that is the point. If you are not a member of any SO or AC, then how will you have the requisite knowledge, etc.
Susan Payne (Temporary Alt. Flip Petillion)
02:08:11
@Alan, in the initial draft I think you would be disqualified (or downgraded) too since you have an affiliation with At large
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:08:20
@Alan - you are included in that statement as someone that would not be preferred
Anne Aikman-Scalese, Lewis Roca Tucson
02:08:56
@Alan - are you sure you think there are plenty of well-qualified candidates not affiliated with any SO or AC?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC Liaison to the GNSO Council
02:09:06
NC's always hve to balance these oftentensioned needs and requirements as well as the availability of candidates characteristics in any goven year... good JD's are essential to get good outcomes from that NC work
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:09:15
So, who would have the requisite knowledge of how the GNSO works if you are not in the GNSO, ALAC, SSAC, GAC, ccNSO, etc?
Maxim Alzoba (RySG)
02:09:17
@Alan, ALAC is AC
Wolf-Ulrich Knoben
02:09:29
@Raymond: not at all! Council needs people like you
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC Liaison to the GNSO Council
02:09:32
which is NOT an easy task one that few who have not served in a NC will understand or appreciate
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC Liaison to the GNSO Council
02:10:17
@Maxim Alan is not a Member of the 15 person ALAC nore does he hold a Leadership role in any part of At-Large FYI
Raymond Mamattah
02:10:29
If being a member of an AC/SO is not a hindrance to joing NCSG and its affiliates, why then should this now become a concern when becoming a Council member?
Maxim Alzoba (RySG)
02:10:57
@Cheryl, I underlined that the ALAC is an AC, nothing more
Tatiana Tropina
02:11:04
I think the crux of the issue here is a “current affiliation” with the GNSO SG/C — e.g., say, if somebody very active in the NCSG right now would be appointed to the NCPH as the NCA — this might be an issue.
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:11:09
@CLO - I believe being a member of the At-Large qualifies under that provision.
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:11:17
Or at least that was what was intended
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC Liaison to the GNSO Council
02:11:37
back to the term "preference"@Jeff
Tomslin Samme-Nlar
02:11:48
@Raymond, this doesn't cover SG/C appointments. Only NomCom appointments
Maxim Alzoba (RySG)
02:12:01
NomCom can check versus the list of qualifications, and if there is not enough info in the list - they can not read our minds to predict what we wanted
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:12:02
I think the NomCom has done a good job so far, so I am not sure we need to amend the description at this point
Raymond Mamattah
02:12:32
@Tomslin, yes, know the concern is for NomCom appointees.
Pam Little GNSO Council
02:13:00
ccTLD: “Requirements for NomCom Appointees In order to preserve the balance and diversity of Council, the ccNSO needs the Nominating Committee to refrain from appointing to the Council any persons who are directly or indirectly associated with a ccTLD Manager (whether that Manager is a ccNSO Member or not). For the same reason, the ccNSO needs the Nominating Committee to refrain from appointing a Board Member or employee of a ccTLD Regional Organisation to the Council."
Mark Datysgeld
02:13:05
@Philippe Noted
Maxim Alzoba (RySG)
02:13:10
a Registry, who is not a member of RySG is not affiliated, or a Registrar, who is not a member of RrSG
Tatiana Tropina
02:13:22
Yes, ccNSO does have it in a job description, which doesn’t exclude the wider ICANN community, only the ccTLD affiliates so the balance won’t be broken
Stephanie Perrin
02:13:22
A simple rule for Nomcom would be to ask people to apply for the Board or the ALAC or the GNSO, not offer them a GNSO seat as a consolation prize. Does not seem to work
Maxim Alzoba (RySG)
02:13:26
but has enough knowledge
Wolf-Ulrich Knoben
02:15:08
That’s ICANN as it lives: there are many entrance doors
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:15:34
@Wolf - with very few exits
Maxim Alzoba (RySG)
02:15:51
Please add me to the small list for this item
Wolf-Ulrich Knoben
02:16:05
Nobody really likes to leave…
Mark Datysgeld
02:16:08
I want to be a part of the small list as well
Olga Cavalli
02:16:13
I volunteer for the small group
Kurt Pritz
02:16:19
If a reasonably intelligent person from outside the icann community cannot follow the GNSO Council work and contribute, I think that might reflect more on the opacity of our process rather than the ability of the independent candidate.
Carlton Samuels
02:16:34
I have made my comments on the Council list and will not reprise them here. I can agree the GNSO needs at least one independent mind. But I submit the independence in perception and thought cannot be divorced from some knowledge of what the thinking is about.
Tatiana Tropina
02:16:40
Kurt 🙂 I agree with you
Tatiana Tropina
02:17:02
And this also is connected to Pam’s comment about ICANN bubble
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC Liaison to the GNSO Council
02:17:18
Indeed @Tatiana
Mark Datysgeld
02:17:25
@Kurt we were trying to work on that with the ICANN Reform proposal led by Brian Cute, but that seems to have been washed away by COIVD.
Tatiana Tropina
02:17:47
Mark, that one was from when, 2018-2019?
Mark Datysgeld
02:17:54
That one, yes
Tatiana Tropina
02:17:56
Feels like 150 years ago
Mark Datysgeld
02:17:58
Then COVID hit
Mark Datysgeld
02:18:00
Exactly
Stephanie Perrin
02:19:20
Agreed Kurt although the scope and complexity (ie. breadth and depth) of the work is quite demanding for those who do not work in the industry.
Maxim Alzoba (RySG)
02:19:33
we totally miss the idea of a working lunch with all these zoom meetings
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:20:59
I would love for meetings to assume we have read the materials that we were previously provided so we can get on to the discussion.
Lori Schulman
02:22:45
@Steve Chan - Antonietta is sounding a bit muffled. Can that be adjusted?
Nathalie Peregrine - ICANN Org
02:24:16
Thanks Lori, we’re working on this, thank you for raising 🙂
Zak Muscovitch
02:27:35
You can get a lot more data from UDRP.tools
Brian King
02:27:43
Ask us next time. Our Darts-ip database compiles domain dispute case data https://clarivate.com/darts-ip/
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:29:31
UDRP.tools I highly recommend
Justine Chew
02:30:17
@Zak @Brian, might those sources include some feedback of experiences by parties in UDRP cases?
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:30:19
I believe you can find RDNH data at UDRP.TOOLS
Maxim Alzoba (RySG)
02:30:21
requests for data should be sent to SOs
John McElwaine
02:30:35
How do we get those suggestions to GDD
Maxim Alzoba (RySG)
02:30:35
and ACs
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:30:42
@Justine - no, just objective data
Justine Chew
02:31:14
@Jeff, thanks. Was hopeful but alas.
Lars Hoffmann
02:31:16
@John - you can email Antonietta, me, or Karen directly. Probably easiest.
Lars Hoffmann
02:33:11
@John, you can email Antonietta, me, or Karen directly. Probably easiest.
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:33:28
I personally believe that there should be discussions with a group of frequent filers, counsel for respondents and actual panelists
Zak Muscovitch
02:33:44
+1 Susan; Might as well ask the RPM Phase 2 WG what data they want/need...
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:33:55
I have a list of issues that some of us that are panelists have been working on
Justine Chew
02:33:59
+1 Susan, Jeff
Zak Muscovitch
02:34:11
+1 Jeff
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:34:27
The list of issues that I have are issues that we as panelists encounter every day
Michael R
02:34:58
COMMENT—The survey should include or be based partly upon data the RPM2 Review PDP requests for its consideration.
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:34:59
And for which I really wish there were policy answers so that panelists did not have to "make it up as they went along:
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:35:28
And I would argue that this information is not available from the Providers, but rather just to the panelists
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:35:38
the panelists may or may not discuss them with the providers
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:36:00
So talking just to the providers will not give you a complete picture
Michael R
02:36:15
The survey should in part be based on seeking data that the RPM2 requests.
Kurt Pritz
02:37:16
Agreeing with Susan: the collection and analysis of data is likely to raise or indicate the questions that must be answered to determine “effectiveness.” Data on # of complaints, case length, etc will likely not, on their own, define issues or allow a judgment about effectiveness.
Justine Chew
02:37:32
The proposed datasets appear to get to more quantitative rather qualitative data. We need to a way to get the latter.
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:38:11
Costs are good for brand owners, but also to be fair for respondents who have to retain counsel and end up prevailing.
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:38:16
They are substantial on all sides
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:38:32
Sorry, I didn't mean "good" in that way
Susan Payne (Temporary Alt. Flip Petillion)
02:38:32
Noting the comment about extending the timeline - Frankly does that really matter? what's the point of rushing to beginning a review of the UDRP when the phase 1 report hasn't even been reviewed and adopted by the board let alone moved into implementation and Goran/Xavier have spent this whole week telling us recommendations need to be prioritised and not everything can go forward to be implemented
Volker Greimann (RRSG)
02:38:39
Costs are lower than taking these issues to court
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:38:40
I meant is a good topic to include ;)
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:39:07
Costs is a Good TOPIC to include for brand owners and for respondents as well
Marie Pattullo
02:40:03
Ah!!! Thanks Jeff - must not speed read chat while talking ;-).
Susan Payne (Temporary Alt. Flip Petillion)
02:40:08
I put it in the chat above - a comment on timing
Tomslin Samme-Nlar
02:40:09
Agree on the abuse comment @Marie. We need to keep it narrow to avoid P2 being wrapped up in DNS abuse conversations like you said
Maxim Alzoba (RySG)
02:40:20
my zoom reloaded, please promote me
Philippe Fouquart GNSo Council
02:40:25
Thanks Susan!
Maxim Alzoba (RySG)
02:40:48
to the panelist, not just mic
Susan Payne (Temporary Alt. Flip Petillion)
02:41:27
forgot to send to everyone: Noting the comment about extending the timeline - Frankly does that really matter? what's the point of rushing to beginning a review of the UDRP when the phase 1 report hasn't even been reviewed and adopted by the board let alone moved into implementation and Goran/Xavier have spent this whole week telling us recommendations need to be prioritised and not everything can go forward to be implemented
Maxim Alzoba (RySG)
02:42:05
please
Lori Schulman
02:42:07
Agree with Susan's point about urgency. Not urgent
Martin Sutton
02:43:20
+1 Susan - it will sit in the PDP warehouse waiting for Board and Staff to do something
Brian King
02:43:28
big +1 Susan
Marie Pattullo
02:44:21
Tend to agree with Susan I think. If we're going to be helpful to RPM2 (whenever that may be), it's worth doing it well.
Stephanie Perrin
02:44:24
Better there than on one of Berry’s spreadsheets of doom….
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:44:29
I would argue that quantitative information about the UDRP is likely going to be basically useless.
Pam Little GNSO Council
02:44:33
+1 Kurt
Stephanie Perrin
02:44:36
(We love them, Berry….)
Brian King
02:44:38
let's focus on the work that already needs to get done: PPSAI, SSAD, Sub Pro
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:44:40
We need actual information about the issues
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:44:48
What are the issues that need resolution
Anne Aikman-Scalese, Lewis Roca Tucson
02:44:56
Revisions to the scope should occur to take into account the comments made rather than approving a review process with too narrow a scope.
Lori Schulman
02:44:57
As a veteran of Phase 1, the key to success with be a well researched and clear charter.
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:45:00
What are the issues that we do not need to look at
Marie Pattullo
02:45:50
There's also the concern about staff overload as well that we keep hearing about (and fully understand). So why so keen on this?
Lori Schulman
02:45:56
We suffered with unclear questions, and as someone else noted, lack of meaningful data. Data gathering hampered the progress of the PDP by a year.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC Liaison to the GNSO Council
02:46:22
Good chartering *is* essential @Lori agreed
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:48:10
I understand I am not a member of Council, but can we ask the ICANN Board to be more clear in their letter. What specifically concerns them?
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:48:31
The RySG asked this question directly to the Board at the last ICANN meeting and the Board never responded
Tatiana Tropina
02:49:59
🙂 thanks to all the fellow councillors! Was great working with you
Stephanie Perrin
02:50:12
We will miss you all!
Carlton Samuels
02:50:22
Thank you all. See you later.
Osvaldo Novoa
02:50:25
It was a pleasure to share the Council with you all. See you again.
Maxim Alzoba (RySG)
02:50:29
Thanks all
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC Liaison to the GNSO Council
02:50:33
Been a pleasure to work with you all
Pam Little GNSO Council
02:50:41
+1 Tatiana. It’s been a great honour and privilege to work with you all. Stay well!
Tom Dale
02:50:48
Thank you all. Best wishes for the future.
Ashley Heineman (RrSG Chair)
02:51:00
YAYYYY PAM AND TATIANA.
Kurt Pritz
02:51:08
I wish to recognize Tom Dale who brought such a wealth of experience and knowledge through his many years with the GAC and who participated with wisdom and restraint.
Justine Chew
02:51:19
+100 Cheryl Langdon-Orr
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:51:20
+1 Kurt
Ashley Heineman (RrSG Chair)
02:51:24
Oh Tom... I still miss you from "you know where." :-)
Tatiana Tropina
02:51:29
Yes MASSIVE thanks to staff
Marika Konings - ICANN org
02:51:40
❤️
David Olive
02:51:43
THANKS Philippe on behalf of the policy team
Tom Dale
02:51:55
And a special thanks to staff for their support and professionalism.
Olivier KOUAMI
02:52:33
Thank you Philippe
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:52:40
Where is the music :)
Heather Forrest
02:52:59
Best wishes and thanks to you, Pam!
Maureen Hilyard
02:53:03
Very nice!!
Olivier KOUAMI
02:53:08
Best wishes for you all
susan anthony, uspto
02:53:11
@Jeff - our mics could be opened and we could all sing??!
Nathalie Peregrine - ICANN Org
02:53:29
No music, just solemn recognition for our wonderful VCs 🙂
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:53:30
@Susan - I asked for music, not chaos
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:53:32
:)
Pam Little GNSO Council
02:53:51
Thank you all for the messages. I will read each and every one of them.
susan anthony, uspto
02:53:53
@Jeff - ROTFLOL
Susan Payne (Temporary Alt. Flip Petillion)
02:54:33
welcome Justine!!
Maureen Hilyard
02:54:35
Nice one - Cheryl
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:54:44
@Justine - Welcome to the wonderful world of Liaisonhood
Heather Forrest
02:54:46
Tatiana, all the very best and thanks!
Tatiana Tropina
02:55:08
Thank you all :-)!!
Marie Pattullo
02:56:09
You'll both - all - be missed but we WILL have a farewell drink together. Just a rather belated one. ;-)
Justine Chew
02:56:33
@Susan @Jeff, thanks.
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:57:04
I didn't expect an immediate answer....take time to think :)
Nathalie Peregrine - ICANN Org
02:57:06
GNSO Council Part 2 is taking place at 1500 PDT (22:00 UTC) Please refer to the ICANN72 schedule for the Zoom access details. 2021-2022 councilors, please join early for soundchecks
Marie Pattullo
02:57:33
Any chance we can take the open mic in part 2?
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:59:24
Sure, no problem....But keep in mind the Liaison is responsible for keeping the GNSO informed
Martin Sutton
02:59:29
Given the expanded timelines for the SSAD ODP and now the SubPro ODP (originally expected to be a 6 mth process, will the Council be taking a more pro-active role in making sure the Board/Staff progress the community’s longstanding efforts in a timely manner?
Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to GAC
02:59:42
So I am asking what you expect in terms of keeping you informed
Maxim Alzoba (RySG)
03:00:25
thanks all and bye
Tom Dale
03:00:35
Thank you and goodbye.
Pam Little GNSO Council
03:00:36
Good bye all.
David Olive
03:00:38
Thanks ALL
Olivier KOUAMI
03:00:48
Bye
Olga Cavalli
03:00:54
Thanks all see you later