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051040043 - EPDP-Phase 2A Team Call
Terri Agnew
18:52
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Thomas Rickert (ISPCP)
24:57
Let’s not use the anonymous term
Terri Agnew
25:14
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Terri Agnew
25:24
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Thomas Rickert (ISPCP)
26:00
Agreed
stephanieeperrin
26:43
I find it hard to imagine a persistent pseudonymized email that is the same across all domains, as remaining opaque. You know one, you know them all.
Berry Cobb
26:51
Definitions doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vofZIqnY-xCaKMte1q_tiAwAfGwkwsu1/edit
Keith Drazek (Verisign)
28:15
Registrars not registries, correct?
margiemilam
29:44
That’s a policy argument to be had in the plenary
stephanieeperrin
30:20
I agree that it needs to go to plenary
stephanieeperrin
30:34
But lets be clear, how we use that term is a legal issue
stephanieeperrin
37:59
I will continue to argue that a persistent identifier, of lasting duration, for a unique registrant, is not properly pseudonymized.
stephanieeperrin
39:38
I understand that LEAs and cyber researchers want to know, and if they pass a balancing test they CAN know, but trying to give them access to reverse directory info through definitional shenanigans is unworthy of our efforts
Berry Cobb
40:30
LvN goog: https://docs.google.com/document/d/156jajwvAkl1l5VsdWXpznrghkKyMUD2bhKkS20X7Xrg/edit#
stephanieeperrin
51:01
Is there a difference in law between the terms legal person and legal entity in Europe?
Thomas Rickert (ISPCP)
51:37
In Germany there is none.
stephanieeperrin
51:55
And do we explain these terms in our definitions?
stephanieeperrin
52:16
I suspect they need clarification for a North American audience
Thomas Rickert (ISPCP)
52:46
:-)
stephanieeperrin
53:34
I agree with Matthew. You are asking them to estimate legal risk and they really are not in a position to understand which individuals might be implicated across jurisdictions
stephanieeperrin
54:05
( I do understand that they do this for a living, but this is a rather arcane field which they are not familiar with)
stephanieeperrin
55:49
On an administrative issue: the google documents are not accessible to anyone who is not on the team, this is not the way we normally operate. Can we open those docs for viewing, to make it easier for us to share with our teams?
stephanieeperrin
01:01:03
We need to make crystal clear to 2Birds that there are vast differences between a home based business and corporations and registered companie
Thomas Rickert (ISPCP)
01:01:14
No objection, but I am not sure how much it will help
Matthew Crossman
01:01:26
Agree Thomas that is where I am
stephanieeperrin
01:01:42
ditto
Matthew Crossman
01:01:50
I don't want to stand in the way of this going forward, just skeptical of how helpful it will be
stephanieeperrin
01:03:09
Do we have stats that we can provide on the breakdown of the population of legal persons (i.e. small business, registered business, corporations of various kinds)?
stephanieeperrin
01:04:54
Read: they would go after ICANN since they are responsible for the policy process
stephanieeperrin
01:07:38
Board is protected, Council is not
stephanieeperrin
01:09:44
Agreed.
Terri Agnew
01:12:21
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Keith Drazek (Verisign)
01:13:19
As we approach the top of the hour, would the Legal Committee benefit from re-purposing the Thursday plenary to give you another 90 minutes this week? It's unclear that the plenary will have made progress on homework. It seems the legal questions are really pre-cursors for the plenary making progress.
Matthew Crossman
01:14:40
Fair point Laureen, good to clarify if we are asking about something broader
Keith Drazek (Verisign)
01:15:52
Apologies, I have to drop for another call. Please see my question above and I'll circle back with staff.
Caitlin Tubergen
01:19:15
Yes - forgot that one - thank you, Becky!