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APRALO Webinar on IDNs: Advancing the Internationalized Domain Names Agenda for a More Inclusive Internet - Shared screen with speaker view
Gopal Tadepalli
01:03:16
Greetings. - Dr. T V Gopal, Professor, Department of Computer Science and Engineering, College of Engineering, Guindy Campus, Anna University , Chennai, INDIA.
shehan senavirathne
01:04:10
Hello everyone
Hiren Pandit
01:04:31
Greetings from BNNRC (www.bnnrc.net)
Suhaidi Hassan
01:05:31
Good afternoon from Kedah, Malaysia!
Gisella Gruber - ICANN Org
01:05:58
IMPORTANT: Q&A Session: If you would like a question to be read out loud, please use brackets around your question: <QUESTION> . Text outside these brackets well be considered part of “chat” and will not be read aloud.
Bong Macalalad
01:10:22
Hello, can you please enlarge a bit the presmat? Thank you
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:10:48
Ahh thanx!
Roberto
01:16:51
ccTLDs were also those who started first, with the “fast track”
Roberto
01:17:25
at the TLD level, I mean
John McCormac
01:17:55
<question>Are the ccTLDs moreso than the gTLDs the natural home for most IDN domain names? From work I've been doing on measuring web usage and development in gTLDs this month (Legacy and New gTLDs), a lot of the IDNs seem to be brand protection registrations but they also have characteristics similar to ccTLDs. Would increased usage of IDNs in ccTLDs, rather than gTLDs, be a better metric for uptake?</question>
Gopal Tadepalli
01:19:47
<QUESTION>: Any "Bidi rule" of possibly mixed directionality.? - Dr. T V Gopal
John McCormac
01:24:18
W3techs data is based on a small sample (Alexa top 10M for historical data) rather than full TLD surveys.
Roberto
01:25:43
<question> It happens to have multi-lingual web sites, that is sites who have translations of the contents in different languages - as does ICAMM, btw. How are those counted in the survey, one point for every different language or just for the main (default) language of the site? </question>
Kossi Amessinou
01:25:46
When we talk to universal acceptance for people speaking a language we don't have online what that mean ?
Roberto
01:26:04
*ICANN
John McCormac
01:27:53
Control panel software also has geographical characteristics in terms of usage. There's a range of software that is more popular in some countries than others.
Lianna Galstyan
01:31:51
We'll be happy to talk about the Armenian IDNs, especially that we actively plan a series of events this year.
Georgia Osborn
01:31:57
Thank you Emily
Emily Taylor
01:37:08
Thank you for your question, John. I would be interested to hear about your results in your research on gTLD language content. I agree with you that within the gTLD environment there is not a single, uniform experience - there are several gTLDs that are city names, geographic names, or which target specific geographic or language markets
Emily Taylor
01:38:47
Dr Gopal, thank you for your question about mixed directionality - yes that is a very important aspect of second level IDNs vs top level. For right-to-left scripts (RTL) second level IDNs can be quite confusing for people to use - requiring a user to change their script half way through typing an IDN, and leaving a potential confusion about how to read the IDN itself - ie what is the top and what is the second level
Emily Taylor
01:40:44
Thanks Roberto for raising this point about multilanguage sites. We do the language analysis according to the methodology set out on the site https://idnworldreport.eu/methodology/. Very happy to receive your feedback on it !
John McCormac
01:42:24
I'll post some of the data to the At Large list, Emily, Some of the geo gTLDs are struggling. In linguistic terms, some of the websites in the surveys have mixes of content in proper HTML and in local language characters. One of the reasons for the variations in registration volume discounting promotions by the registries. They rarely have high renewal %s but the brand protection regs are incredibly sticky when it comes to renewal. They often redirect to the registrant's primary website in another TLD. The real signs of life are in the use of IDNs and local languages by small businesses and individuals rather than big brands.
Roberto
01:43:22
@Emily - I will have a look. The reason for my question is that if many sites are set in a local language but have pages translated into English for reaching out internationally, that might “artificially” increase the count for sites in English
Emily Taylor
01:45:43
thank you John - we are in full agreement on your findings. Aggressive price promotions do tend to have a low renewal rate. On the redirection issue, there can be other reasons for that occurring - although I agree that brands do tend to use redirects. Anedotally, I have heard that in some cases, redirects are used as a way of correcting for poor universal acceptance - use the IDN in advertising (because people understand and remember the website name) then discretely redirect to the ASCII name when the user types in the IDN - thereby avoiding any display / UA problems in the browser experience
Emily Taylor
01:47:06
Thanks Roberto - that’s a great point.
Emily Taylor
01:56:11
@Roberto - for our language analysis, we take a multistep approach as set out in the methodology:
Emily Taylor
01:56:24
- eliminate domains with no active services- eliminate domains with fewer than [100 characters - not sure of the exact threshold] on the site
Emily Taylor
01:56:33
- eliminate parking pages (that's 80% plus of the domains that have a website!)
Emily Taylor
01:57:59
For the remaining domains which have high quality, multipage sites, we look at the primary language - as you say we gather keywords from the home page, eliminate stop words, and run the rest through automated translation. For anomalies (we find unicode rendering quite flaky and that Google translate can either be extraordinarily good or extraordinarily bad) we run phrases through the automated translation tool and that usually corrects the anomalies - for example the automated translation gets confused between Greek and Korean language :)
Roberto
01:59:35
Thanks @Emily - I see that is a huge work!
Lianna Galstyan
02:00:50
@Emily, still, if the website has several languages, do you count all those languages or take only the default one?
Emily Taylor
02:00:53
It’s very fiddly, Roberto, and we are always looking for ways to improve our methodology
Emily Taylor
02:01:32
Lianna - thank you for raising that question. I’m going to take that back to our research team and message the APRALO if I may, so that I can be sure to answer accurately!
Lianna Galstyan
02:01:46
Thanks much!
Amrita Choudhury
02:02:45
Any questions for Sarmad. Please key it in here
Bill Jouris
02:03:19
<QUESTION>What are the plans to identify variants for SLDs? Since, after all, SLDs can contain symbols, such as numbers, which do not occur in TLDs.<?QUESTION>
Robert Nkambwe
02:06:10
Hi Emily and everyone, I wanted to say thank you for such a wonderful presentation and the excellent work you are doing. I have really enjoyed every bit, unfortunately I'm leaving for another urgent meeting. Thank you once again.
Emily Taylor
02:06:27
Thank you for your kind words, Robert
Amrita Choudhury
02:06:33
Thanks for joining Robert
Lianna Galstyan
02:08:21
Thanks Sarmad
Buddhika Karunanayaka
02:08:33
Thank you everyone who arranged this
Imran Hossen ( ICANN70 Fellow )
02:10:06
Thanks sarmad
Bendjedid Rachad Sanoussi
02:10:26
thanks
Sarmad Hussain
02:10:36
ICANN org is also publishing reference second level LGR for the community.
Sarmad Hussain
02:11:03
This is in addition to the RZ-LGR, which is focused on the top-level.
Sarmad Hussain
02:11:39
https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/second-level-lgr-2015-06-21-en - second level LGRs
Eng. Md. Selim Reza, BIDA, PMO, BD
02:12:18
Thanks
Eng. Md. Selim Reza, BIDA, PMO, BD
02:17:39
villagers root peoples need to be connected with whole globe
Edmon Chung
02:18:00
澳门 sometimes it looks different based on font too
Roberto
02:20:48
I understand the potential threat to security caused by variants, but I do not see how it could affect stability
John McCormac
02:20:56
The traditional Chinese and simplified characters can make a page more complex to parse in terms of usage surveys. That's just with existing TLDs. Traditional and simplified TLD extensions would divide a market and make things a lot more complex for brand owners. Good to see that it is being addressed.
Gopal Tadepalli
02:23:07
<QUESTION>: Any report / white paper on programmability of IDNs? - Dr. T V Gopal
Sarmad Hussain
02:24:12
@Gopal, there is a series of documents available at uasg.tech website
Sarmad Hussain
02:24:20
This includes technical documents
Sarah Kiden
02:24:26
Thank you to the speakers. This was informative
Amrita Choudhury
02:24:50
Thanks Sarah for joining in
John McCormac
02:24:52
UA isn't really Usage. The languages may be used on the Web but without their own IDNs or even ccTLDs. The .COM is often the main TLD for a lot of these sites.
Sarmad Hussain
02:24:58
There are technical training materials available at https://community.icann.org/display/TUA/UA+Training+Materials
Shah Zahidur Rahman
02:25:40
Thanks all speakers, it was very informative session
Dayanidhi Krishna
02:25:49
That's useful. Thanks Satish for bringing that up as well
Amrita Choudhury
02:25:57
Thanks Shah, Daya for joining
Emily Taylor
02:26:18
Congratulations Lianna!
Satish Babu
02:26:58
Thanks everyone for joining the session!
Justine Chew
02:27:24
@Edmon, yes. the second character simplified version was butchered.
Amrita Choudhury
02:27:40
Thanks all for joining in. Any particular policy topic you want to be discussed, please contact Justine or any of us
Sidra Jalil
02:27:41
Thank you everyone for the session. It was helpful
John McCormac
02:27:48
Thanks everyone. It was a very enlightening session.
Roberto
02:27:51
@John - often minority languages use .com or other ASCII TLDs because of the lack of universal acceptance for IDNs
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:27:55
Excellent session APRALO Policy Team... Much appreciated even by those of us who like to think we keep our fingers 'on the pulse' of this important topic... Bye for now...
Siranush Vardanyan
02:28:15
Thanks everyone for an interesting session
Bendjedid Rachad Sanoussi
02:28:17
thanks
Ali Hussain
02:28:22
Thanks bye
John McCormac
02:28:23
@Roberto Yep. It is also tied to the development of the ccTLDs in the region.
Edmon Chung
02:28:25
thx bye
Bendjedid Rachad Sanoussi
02:28:27
bye
Emmanuel Ogu
02:28:29
Bye!
Mansur Mirzoev
02:28:32
Thank you! Bye
Gisella Gruber - ICANN Org
02:28:33
Thank you all!
Maureen Hilyard
02:28:36
Thank you APRALO for this get session
John McCormac
02:28:37
Thanks/Later all.