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Monthly Round Table 8 (by EURALO):Encryption challenges in the French and European regulatory space – presented by Lucien Castex - Shared screen with speaker view
Lucien CASTEX
29:47
Hello from the French audio channel
Frank Anati
29:57
hi everyone Frank Anati from Ghana https://www.linkedin.com/in/frank-anati
Frank Anati
30:11
nice to meet you all
Hans Bathija
36:20
Bonjour tout le monde. Great to join you all from Toronto. - Hans, CyAN
Gopal Tadepalli
38:59
Greetings. - Dr. T V Gopal, Professor, Department of Computer Science and Engineering, College of Engineering, Guindy Campus, Anna University , Chennai, INDIA.
Sivasubramanian M
52:06
It is thoughtful of the French legal framework to recognize "abuse of the few should not be blamed on everyone" as an important priciple --- thoughtful of the framework to search for a balance
Lucien CASTEX
53:47
Joining the English channel now :-)
Sébastien Bachollet
55:47
Welcome Lucien
Lucien CASTEX
56:51
Hope that was a good use case of using interpretation :-)
Steve Clement
57:27
Thank you J-C
Marc Daron
01:02:02
Indeed Jean Christophe
Marc Daron
01:02:15
Most excellent presentation Lucien, the French system is quite interesting and the historical background allows for a better understanding of current debates!
Marc Daron
01:02:46
Do you have pointer about the French case law (French or English)?
Lucien CASTEX
01:02:55
Thanks!
Lucien CASTEX
01:02:57
Sure thing
Lucien CASTEX
01:05:04
For example here: https://www.conseil-constitutionnel.fr/decision/2018/2018696QPC.htm
Lucien CASTEX
01:07:29
Quite a tricky resolution indeed :-)
Sébastien Bachollet
01:07:53
First doc 5 Eyes
Sébastien Bachollet
01:07:55
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/international-statement-end-end-encryption-and-public-safety
Gopal Tadepalli
01:11:02
Encryption has always been a tradeoff between "User Privacy" and "National Security". What are the provisions based on French National Security on encryption ? - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, INDIA
Lucien CASTEX
01:12:02
Also @Marc and all, the Wassenaar Arrangement is quite interesting
Lucien CASTEX
01:12:26
dual-use goods and technologies witch includes encryption ;-)
Steve Clement
01:13:18
Trade-off indeed. But the speed at which information spreads is often not considered and really difficult to factor in.
Lucien CASTEX
01:15:00
Sure
Greg Mounier
01:16:51
Should we regulate the practice of lawful hacking and the process of finding vulnerabilities and developing exploits?
Sivasubramanian M
01:18:06
<question> Rather than attempt to maintain positions as close to the extremes of "Encryption" and "No Encryption" as a technology decision, why don't we try and find a balance by entrusting encryption to trusted providers, trusted by users, with the providers instituting a responsive system to unveil encryption in situations of extreme harm and in real emergencies but maintain truthful to the need to encryption?
Gopal Tadepalli
01:19:04
Comment: Thank you Lucien & Jean. The National Security concerns have been very intriguing even for Password Protection. I suppose each nation takes a call on this. Currently, at least Passwords have become easier on this. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, INDIA
Sivasubramanian M
01:19:06
... that would be an approach distinct from the present law and order position that all encryption should be designed to be breakable.
Steve Clement
01:19:41
In the US the industrial military complex is a historical fact. A lot of business is based around it. The very same will (and is) happening around the topic at hand
Steve Clement
01:20:00
Sorry, still no question ;)
Sivasubramanian M
01:20:36
... would that be a governance solution to the encryption conundrum?
Lucien CASTEX
01:21:12
Indeed, quite important
Lucien CASTEX
01:22:15
What we call in France, les “moyens de l'État soumis au secret de la défense nationale”
Lucien CASTEX
01:22:43
Basically hacking in
Lucien CASTEX
01:23:01
The key is strict scrutiny
Sivasubramanian M
01:27:26
... <supplementary, or a clarification> The idea expressed is that such a trusted entity (not a person, but a balanced group of persons entrusted to keys) would guard the encryption keys and algorithm, and not weaken the encryption by wide open back doors, or by disclosure of keys in a manner that affects all parties, but in situations truly warranted ('warrant' in a legal sense), the trusted provider would decrypt that specific data segment of that dangerous communication from the malignant person, and still preserve the encryption environment for all users (sorry, my hand was lowered because my phone with microphone powered down)
Sivasubramanian M
01:27:53
... entrusted with the keys) ....
Sivasubramanian M
01:28:34
('warrant' NOT in a legal sense)...
Lucien CASTEX
01:29:42
Different legal grounds. In France for example article 434-15-2 of the French Penal Code
Lucien CASTEX
01:31:13
On providers, article L. 871-1 French Code de la sécurité intérieure : obligation to cooperate (decrypt if possible)
Marc Daron
01:32:55
Thanks! So the can’t do option :-)
Steve Clement
01:34:32
My first reflex, because I got raided at 6am, was: I forgot my password.
Steve Clement
01:35:06
Which raised eyebrows, but they were 2 coffees ahead ;)
Gopal Tadepalli
01:37:05
Thank you Steve for the experience sharing. One justification is to project "password" as a way of tracking the user in a multi-user environment in addition to "protection and security". Are such justifications legal in France? - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, INDIA.
Laxmi Prasad Yadav
01:37:15
hello everyone. sorry 4 delay. it is too late night 1:: AM in Nepal
Lucien CASTEX
01:37:23
Lively chat indeed. Only 8pm here in Paris :-)
Hans Bathija
01:38:04
C'était un plaisir vous rejoindre.
Steve Clement
01:38:21
Au plaisir.
Olivier Crépin-Leblond
01:39:32
+1 Lucien - well said
Marc Daron
01:40:12
Quite true Lucien !
Gopal Tadepalli
01:40:48
Lucien: In India it is the other side of midnight now. Thank you for a very refreshing presentation. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, INDIA
Marc Daron
01:40:51
Excellent speakers and moderation tonight. Merci to Euralo !
Olévié Kouami
01:41:13
THank you very much
Olévié Kouami
01:41:23
Merci infiniment
Lucien CASTEX
01:41:25
Do not hesitate to drop me a line castex@afnic.fr
Marc Daron
01:41:33
Will do.
maureen hilyard
01:41:50
Great speakers and moderation by Pari. Interesting presentations by these experts. Thank you EURALO
Olévié Kouami
01:42:08
Kudos EURALO !
Robert Nkambwe
01:42:18
thanks for such informative presentations - Robert from Uganda
Olévié Kouami
01:42:27
Olévié from Sénégal
Olévié Kouami
01:42:58
Merci Sebastien
Lucien CASTEX
01:43:15
Hopefully! Looking forward to next f2f ICANN :-)
Olévié Kouami
01:43:39
Merci Jean-Christophe et Lucien.
Olévié Kouami
01:43:49
Merci Pari
Lucien CASTEX
01:44:00
Merci Pari pour une excellente modération :-)
Gopal Tadepalli
01:44:17
Thank you Sebastian and EURALO. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, INDIA
Andrea Beccalli
01:44:29
Congrats for a great session!
Natalia Filina
01:44:34
Thank you all for this MRT8!Sebastien we like all EURALO events a lot!-)
Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org
01:44:55
Thank you all so very much for joining today’s EURALO Roundtable!
Lucien CASTEX
01:45:00
Will be an excellent way to engage the community to have it integrated within Zoom
Olévié Kouami
01:45:00
Hope to meet you all in ICANN hybrid meeting in June in The Hague
Pari Esfandiari
01:45:03
Thank you everyone, specially our great speakers Merci Jean-Christophe et Lucien and to MERCI Sebastien.
Robert Castonguay
01:45:05
Merci à tous
Jean-Christophe Le Toquin
01:45:08
Great honor for Encryption Europe to be invited, thank you !
ADAM PEAKE
01:45:13
Thank you everyone