Monthly Round Table 8 (by EURALO):Encryption challenges in the French and European regulatory space – presented by Lucien Castex - Shared screen with speaker view
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Hello from the French audio channel
hi everyone Frank Anati from Ghana https://www.linkedin.com/in/frank-anati
nice to meet you all
Bonjour tout le monde. Great to join you all from Toronto. - Hans, CyAN
Greetings. - Dr. T V Gopal, Professor, Department of Computer Science and Engineering, College of Engineering, Guindy Campus, Anna University , Chennai, INDIA.
It is thoughtful of the French legal framework to recognize "abuse of the few should not be blamed on everyone" as an important priciple --- thoughtful of the framework to search for a balance
Joining the English channel now :-)
Hope that was a good use case of using interpretation :-)
Thank you J-C
Indeed Jean Christophe
Most excellent presentation Lucien, the French system is quite interesting and the historical background allows for a better understanding of current debates!
Do you have pointer about the French case law (French or English)?
For example here: https://www.conseil-constitutionnel.fr/decision/2018/2018696QPC.htm
Quite a tricky resolution indeed :-)
First doc 5 Eyes
Encryption has always been a tradeoff between "User Privacy" and "National Security". What are the provisions based on French National Security on encryption ? - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, INDIA
Also @Marc and all, the Wassenaar Arrangement is quite interesting
dual-use goods and technologies witch includes encryption ;-)
Trade-off indeed. But the speed at which information spreads is often not considered and really difficult to factor in.
Should we regulate the practice of lawful hacking and the process of finding vulnerabilities and developing exploits?
<question> Rather than attempt to maintain positions as close to the extremes of "Encryption" and "No Encryption" as a technology decision, why don't we try and find a balance by entrusting encryption to trusted providers, trusted by users, with the providers instituting a responsive system to unveil encryption in situations of extreme harm and in real emergencies but maintain truthful to the need to encryption?
Comment: Thank you Lucien & Jean. The National Security concerns have been very intriguing even for Password Protection. I suppose each nation takes a call on this. Currently, at least Passwords have become easier on this. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, INDIA
... that would be an approach distinct from the present law and order position that all encryption should be designed to be breakable.
In the US the industrial military complex is a historical fact. A lot of business is based around it. The very same will (and is) happening around the topic at hand
Sorry, still no question ;)
... would that be a governance solution to the encryption conundrum?
Indeed, quite important
What we call in France, les “moyens de l'État soumis au secret de la défense nationale”
Basically hacking in
The key is strict scrutiny
... <supplementary, or a clarification> The idea expressed is that such a trusted entity (not a person, but a balanced group of persons entrusted to keys) would guard the encryption keys and algorithm, and not weaken the encryption by wide open back doors, or by disclosure of keys in a manner that affects all parties, but in situations truly warranted ('warrant' in a legal sense), the trusted provider would decrypt that specific data segment of that dangerous communication from the malignant person, and still preserve the encryption environment for all users (sorry, my hand was lowered because my phone with microphone powered down)
... entrusted with the keys) ....
('warrant' NOT in a legal sense)...
Different legal grounds. In France for example article 434-15-2 of the French Penal Code
On providers, article L. 871-1 French Code de la sécurité intérieure : obligation to cooperate (decrypt if possible)
Thanks! So the can’t do option :-)
My first reflex, because I got raided at 6am, was: I forgot my password.
Which raised eyebrows, but they were 2 coffees ahead ;)
Thank you Steve for the experience sharing. One justification is to project "password" as a way of tracking the user in a multi-user environment in addition to "protection and security". Are such justifications legal in France? - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, INDIA.
Laxmi Prasad Yadav
hello everyone. sorry 4 delay. it is too late night 1:: AM in Nepal
Lively chat indeed. Only 8pm here in Paris :-)
C'était un plaisir vous rejoindre.
+1 Lucien - well said
Quite true Lucien !
Lucien: In India it is the other side of midnight now. Thank you for a very refreshing presentation. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, INDIA
Excellent speakers and moderation tonight. Merci to Euralo !
THank you very much
Do not hesitate to drop me a line firstname.lastname@example.org
Great speakers and moderation by Pari. Interesting presentations by these experts. Thank you EURALO
Kudos EURALO !
thanks for such informative presentations - Robert from Uganda
Olévié from Sénégal
Hopefully! Looking forward to next f2f ICANN :-)
Merci Jean-Christophe et Lucien.
Merci Pari pour une excellente modération :-)
Thank you Sebastian and EURALO. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, INDIA
Congrats for a great session!
Thank you all for this MRT8!Sebastien we like all EURALO events a lot!-)
Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org
Thank you all so very much for joining today’s EURALO Roundtable!
Will be an excellent way to engage the community to have it integrated within Zoom
Hope to meet you all in ICANN hybrid meeting in June in The Hague
Thank you everyone, specially our great speakers Merci Jean-Christophe et Lucien and to MERCI Sebastien.
Merci à tous
Jean-Christophe Le Toquin
Great honor for Encryption Europe to be invited, thank you !
Thank you everyone