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051040011 GNSO Council
Jeff Neuman
47:09
I was here....but not promoted
Nathalie Peregrine - ICANN Org
47:45
Welcome Jeff!
Jeff Neuman
47:51
sorry, I couldn't respond before :)
Nathalie Peregrine - ICANN Org
47:58
No worry, all noted!
Maxim Alzoba
52:37
we can not start work for sake of starting the work (unlimited items kill bandwidth(
Maxim Alzoba
53:30
we see the same Agenda on the screen, it is not very illustrative (for the project management)
Pam Little
54:12
https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Action+Decision+Radar?preview=/150178775/160727047/GNSO_Council_Program_ADR_20210324.pdf
Steve Chan
57:04
Right, Maxim is spot on.
Tomslin Samme-Nlar
57:37
Is there a process anticipated as to how the council can move the items around in the different sections of the ADR?
Maxim Alzoba
58:29
@Tomslin, we can not play with it, it is more for assessment of the current status
Maxim Alzoba
59:44
Decisions are r
Maxim Alzoba
01:00:09
triggers for the processes , so when it is made - it starts something
Marie Pattullo
01:01:11
Unpause them. Simple. ;-)
Maxim Alzoba
01:01:34
we are not here for rubber-stamping everything
John McElwaine
01:04:28
@Berry where is the Program Management Framework? Sorry I missed that.
Berry Cobb
01:04:47
Frameowrk: https://community.icann.org/x/0YvzC
stephanie e perrin
01:05:52
Fully support Maxim
stephanie e perrin
01:06:04
Fully support Maxim
Maxim Alzoba
01:06:36
new hand - 1-2 minutes
Kurt Pritz
01:13:25
Point of information
Nathalie Peregrine - ICANN Org
01:16:10
Voting Direction from the RySG for Kurt Pritz: https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/council/2021-April/024656.html
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:21:18
Ì when I last looked was unable to see data in the SOI BTW
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:21:33
I have not checked in the last 36 hrs thpugh
Nathalie Peregrine - ICANN Org
01:26:16
@Flip: For a proxy vote to be valid, please note, it will need to be submitted via the correct form, submitted by an SG/C officer, and received ahead of the vote on the GNSO Council mailing list: https://forms.icann.org/en/gnso-council-absence-notification-form Thank you!
John McElwaine
01:31:39
When did move this from a Consent Agenda item to a Discussion and Vote?
stephanie e perrin
01:31:55
+1 Pam that would have been a much better procedure
Jeff Neuman
01:32:14
I like that saying: "In hindsight, every fool is a wise person."
Carlton SAMUELS
01:33:46
Thank you Pam!! I was about to take us there.
Maxim Alzoba
01:34:15
there are recommendations about diversity in the SSC charter, and I would recommend to read it
Nathalie Peregrine - ICANN Org
01:34:31
@John https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/council/2021-April/024653.html
Pam Little
01:35:20
7. The SSC shall strive as far as possible to achieve balance, representativeness, diversity andsufficient expertise appropriate for the applicable selection process. In order to achieve balanceand diversity on the Review Teams, the SSC is strongly encouraged to employ a system of rotationto Review Team selections. Any Stakeholder Group which nominated candidates(s) for a ReviewTeam but did not have a candidate selected for that Review Team shall be preferred as a qualifiedapplicant from their Stakeholder Group for one of the three guaranteed slots for the next GNSOReview Team appointment processes.
Carlton SAMUELS
01:39:27
Representation is very important indeed!
Mark Datysgeld
01:42:43
It's a pleasure to see the GNSO Council investigating the matter of DNS Abuse. Hope we'll get to facilitate these discussions moving forward.
Jeff Neuman
01:42:47
Actually the Board technical gave it to the Council who gave it to SubPro, and SubPro politely gave it back :)
Mark Datysgeld
01:42:51
It's a pleasure to see the GNSO Council investigating the matter of DNS Abuse. Hope we'll get to facilitate these discussions moving forward.
Maxim Alzoba
01:49:31
such thresholds will give third parties an opportunity to extort money out of registries / registrars
Mark Datysgeld
01:58:17
https://www.rysg.info/wp-content/uploads/archive/DNS-Abuse-RY-Choice-of-Action-22-March-2021.pdf
Reg Levy - Tucows
01:59:15
thank you, Mark!
stephanie e perrin
02:07:41
Do you have any draft materials for the evidentiary guidelines that you are willing to share?
Reg Levy - Tucows
02:08:14
Let me look into it, Stephanie, and get back to you about whether or not the group is ready to share more broadly in its in-progress state or not
stephanie e perrin
02:09:19
Thanks Reg!
Reg Levy - Tucows
02:09:35
this is the paper referenced in the RrSG slide: https://rrsg.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Guide-to-Registrar-Abuse-Reporting-v1.8.pdf
Reg Levy - Tucows
02:10:12
it addresses some of the evidence necessary for each type of DNS Abuse
Brian Cimbolic
02:10:24
Stephanie - Internet and Jurisdiction also has good guidance on “Minimum Notice Components for Technical Abuse"
Brian Cimbolic
02:10:27
https://www.internetjurisdiction.net/uploads/pdfs/Internet-Jurisdiction-Policy-Network-Internet-Jurisdiction-Policy-Network-20-109-Minimum-Notice-Components.pdf
Maxim Alzoba
02:13:07
CPH is not about hosting usually
Maxim Alzoba
02:14:12
and DNS info, even if removed - does not remove IP addresses and actual data
Maxim Alzoba
02:15:33
strictly saying spam is a content, and not in all jurisdictions it is illegal
Reg Levy - Tucows
02:16:01
our definition (from slide 4): “spam when it serves as a delivery mechanism for the other forms of DNS Abuse”
Mark Datysgeld
02:16:50
Hey Maxim :) Any computer can be a host, right? Not every computer can operate a TLD tho. That's my broader point. Unless you want to create your own root and have people use it.
Maxim Alzoba
02:17:18
all abuse happens over IP - maybe it is time to talk to ASO? or PTI?
Maxim Alzoba
02:17:28
I meant Internet abuse
Reg Levy - Tucows
02:17:46
ISPCP!
Maxim Alzoba
02:18:15
maybe
Mark Datysgeld
02:19:24
That conversation with ASO would be fun if short. Help us set up a meeting with them.
Maxim Alzoba
02:19:33
DNS abuse happens despite what is in the WHOIS info
Maxim Alzoba
02:20:15
@Mark, it might be something for the GNSO Council Leadership Team
Maxim Alzoba
02:21:21
only not very tech savvy criminals use their true info in registrations, it may be used as a proof against them
Reg Levy - Tucows
02:21:52
not to mention the fact that it’s impossible to prove “accuracy” of data; we can only prove whether the address exists or not
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC Liaison to the GNSO Council
02:25:35
and I note the ALAC / At-Large's appreciation of tis outreach
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC Liaison to the GNSO Council
02:25:45
this
Reg Levy - Tucows
02:25:51
thank you, Cheryl, it was extremely helpful for us as well
Kurt Pritz
02:27:26
Nicely done presentation. Thanks for taking the time to put it together.
Carlton SAMUELS
02:27:28
I would recommend an SSAC presentation!
Kristian Ørmen
02:27:28
Thank you
Olga Cavalli
02:27:34
Excellent
Maxim Alzoba
02:27:34
Thanks for the presentation
Tatiana Tropina
02:27:39
Thank you so much!!!!!
Flip Petillion
02:27:41
Thanks !
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC Liaison to the GNSO Council
02:27:41
THANKS!
Osvaldo Novoa
02:27:47
Thank you!
stephanie e perrin
02:27:59
Thanks, helpful indeed!
Carlton SAMUELS
02:28:06
Thank you all for the presentation
Mark Datysgeld
02:28:41
Thank you, very helpful.
Berry Cobb
02:30:31
Like our other WGs, the WT will be sending monthly project packages. The version being shared here is the 31 March version.
Maxim Alzoba
02:38:15
initially it was about checking if the progress is made in 3 months
Tatiana Tropina
02:38:43
Nothing to add from me except that I do think we have to check the progress as we are supposed to
Nathalie Peregrine - ICANN Org
02:41:12
EPDP P2A workspace: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=150177878
Maxim Alzoba
02:41:24
I have a concern that running in circles two times faster might not help
Kurt Pritz
02:41:37
@Tatiana: How do we “check” on progress? It is not meeting frequency or intensity; it is some progress on certain milestones?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC Liaison to the GNSO Council
02:42:15
Yes ok to stay
Olga Cavalli
02:42:17
My apologies imust leave
Mark Datysgeld
02:42:19
Yes
Sebastien Ducos
02:42:25
Yes all good
Olga Cavalli
02:42:26
I have another cmeeting to attend
Maxim Alzoba
02:42:29
I can stay for few minutes
Tatiana Tropina
02:42:33
@Kurt, I wish I knew :-) I think the criterion is whether consensus is likely in a foreseeable time
Nathalie Peregrine - ICANN Org
02:42:48
Timeline: https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/proposed-council-chair-08apr21-en.pdf
Marie Pattullo
02:43:53
We should encourage our EPDP reps to take advantage of this process to get to a consensus policy that will be aligned with NIS2.
Tatiana Tropina
02:44:15
There is no NIS2 yet. There is only a proposal :-)
Maxim Alzoba
02:44:27
@Marie, NIS2 has to became an actual directive first, and then EU laws have to be written for i
Maxim Alzoba
02:44:30
t
Marie Pattullo
02:45:34
Yes but we know what the Commission intends - and the Commission also knows what it intended in the GDPR, and expected ICANN to achieve in relation to that. And we didn't.
Maxim Alzoba
02:46:05
@Marie, there are years until it is in EU laws
Marie Pattullo
02:46:38
I know - and how long will the EPDP recs take to be implemented...?
Maxim Alzoba
02:47:20
@Marie it is per recommendation , and there are no recommendations out of epdp2a
Marie Pattullo
02:47:59
Have ANY EPDP recs been implemented yet, Maxim?
Kurt Pritz
02:48:02
I think it is good to take some extra time for the reply. In addition, this will provide time for Council to review prior & comment to meeting.
Mark Datysgeld
02:48:04
I can't help with the experience on that one, but I used to research the GAC as an academic, so... can provide a little input.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC Liaison to the GNSO Council
02:48:30
Bye for now then... Thanks everyone...
Maxim Alzoba
02:48:31
@Marie, implementation is on ICANN, not on GNSO
Pam Little
02:48:36
Thank you all
Maxim Alzoba
02:48:38
thanks all
Maxim Alzoba
02:48:40
good night
Jeff Neuman
02:48:53
Thanks all
Marie Pattullo
02:49:00
Night, all!
Kristian Ørmen
02:49:01
Thank you
Osvaldo Novoa
02:49:01
Thank you all
John McElwaine
02:49:02
Thanks, bye
David Olive
02:49:06
Thanks All
Flip Petillion
02:49:07
Bye
Sebastien Ducos
02:49:08
Thank you