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051010040 At-Large Capacity Building Webinar: Consensus Playbook Focused on At-Large - Shared screen with speaker view
sergio salinas porto
32:27
Hi everyone!
Glenn McKnight
33:02
@Jon they used it first in WW 2 with the character with " KILROY WAS HERE"
Bill Jouris
34:12
There actually was a Kilroy. But his graffiti went viral
Jonathan Zuck
35:00
Kilroy. that was the one
Claudia Ruiz
35:08
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WhPCweO7QUlj7suMtYw0r9LvrldBm6l96fV_M2CsQ2w/edit?usp=sharing
Eduardo Diaz
35:30
Need access to tha docs
Olévié Kouami
37:02
Need access to the docs @Claudia
hanan khatib
37:09
Need access to tha docs
Priyatosh Jana
37:15
need access to the documents
Lavish Mensah
38:20
Hello to all, Lavish (EGIGFA ALS), Accra, Ghana... great to be here...
Jonathan Zuck
38:52
personal lives? We might need a glossary...
Yesim Nazlar
39:31
@All - please re-try accessing the document
Yesim Nazlar
39:42
everyone with the link should be able to access the document now
Antonio Medina Gómez
40:05
Cordial saludos a todos los participantes
Lavish Mensah
42:57
Greetings from Raymond Mamattah(EGIGFA ALS), he is currently embarking on a journey and hence apologies for his absence...🙏🙏🙏
Christian Nzhie
54:11
Please, someone has noise in the background...
Eduardo Diaz
54:19
PLease close all mics.There is someone typing
Claudia Ruiz
55:20
Please no not mute Cassandra line -it is amigo bridge line
Claudia Ruiz
55:29
We are trying to locate typing, thank you
Amrita Choudhury
56:34
What if the At Large view is yes and we genuinely agree to a yes since it is in the interest of end users, how is it possible to have alternatives? Offcourse there may be scenarios where there can be a middle path that can be somewhat agreed by At Large.
Amrita Choudhury
57:10
Does it justify just to be at the table one has to change their views?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
57:19
Amrita that will be a great thing to work through in discussion in the breakout session IMO
Jonathan Zuck
57:21
https://www.dictionary.com/e/lean-in/
Alfredo Calderon
57:28
amigo Line is creating background noise
Amrita Choudhury
57:36
Thanks Cheryl
Alfredo Calderon
58:05
Sorry Adigo line … is causing background noise.
David Mackey
58:29
@Amrita I think it’s a matter of process timing. It’s good to communicate and listen at the beginning, but form more educated opinions as the process moves forward
Jonathan Zuck
01:00:06
<Question>Is there a way to represent/document the "range" of positions, conditionals, etc., to facilitate approval by the ALAC and empowerment of the PDP rep volunteers?</Question>
Aïcha Abbad
01:01:11
Ok Alfredo. Merci. C'est dommage
Frank Anati
01:01:56
Good day everyone, Frank Anati from Ghana, link up on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/frank-anati
Alfredo Calderon
01:03:15
<Question>When a consensus is reached and one is not comfortable with the result, is it reasonable to have a section in a position paper with those points<Question>
K MOHAN RAIDU, HYDERABAD INDIA
01:03:22
Greetings to all from ISoc India Hyderabad Chapter and myself K Mohan Raidu, President.
Glenn McKnight
01:03:31
sorry, i need to go to another meeting
Marita Moll
01:04:07
Sorry to be late. Another commitment turned up
David Mackey
01:04:39
@Jonathan @Alfredo I think both of your questions are related … documentation of the identified positions and tradeoffs
Alfredo Calderon
01:04:40
Enjoy the rest of the webinar. With help of @Melissa it will be a create session.
Alfredo Calderon
01:04:56
Nee to leave to setup a another meeting.
Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong
01:05:01
some time we have minority positions in some WG is that part of consensus?
Jonathan Zuck
01:05:40
@Alfredo, I confess I'm motivated to avoid that scenario. I really believe our influence, in the greater ICANN community, is a direct function of achieving and communicating consensus, within the At-Large community.
Joanna Kulesza
01:06:06
<Question, though likely repetitive to what we have discussed in other venues> How do we effectively deal with lobbying bias? E.g. those who have it on their professional agenda to disagree, as a planned negotiation position? To stall, delay or win by exhaustion? <Question> Thanks!
Herb Waye
01:06:27
Gonna back out now and let you folks work. Great session make the most of it. Stay safe and be kind.
David Mackey
01:06:35
@Joanna Good question
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:06:42
Thx @Herb
Dave Kissoondoyal
01:08:37
is the joining to the breakout room by invitation
Claudia Ruiz
01:09:22
@Dave, yes you should get a pop up asking you to jin
Dave Kissoondoyal
01:10:08
thanks @Claudia
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:12:24
5 not 45
David Mackey
01:12:51
How does the representation model work for staying true to the voice of an end user? This moves away from IETF model
Hadia Elminiawi
01:13:37
< Comment> I always find solving for the other is very important to reach consensus <Comment>
Jonathan Zuck
01:13:42
How so, @David?
David Mackey
01:14:06
@Jonathan are you familiar with IETF consensus?
David Mackey
01:14:14
Let me find a link …
K MOHAN RAIDU, HYDERABAD INDIA
01:14:39
On issues and ethics, we can take it to any length.But some people sit there with predetermined motives, may be out of selfish goals. They don't budge.If they are key people, others follow them blindly.
Jonathan Zuck
01:15:32
Yes, @David. But the representative model also requires us to build our own consensus and "represent" that consensus in a WG. I think that's a GOOD thing, which is different from the "consensus model."
sergio salinas porto
01:15:58
I apologize, I just entered the call due to problems with my telephone connection at minute 38, I will try to understand what I should do in the exercise.
David Mackey
01:16:24
@Jonathan RFC 7282 - On Consensus and Humming in IETF … does not use a representative model to build consensus. Individual voices are a fundamental component (not groups or organizations)
David Mackey
01:16:33
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:16:35
David that is in some GNSO WG specifically *not* what is intended as consensus as a yardstick in GNSO at time there I specific balancing or weighting guidance required of the Chair/Co-Chair to use when measuring what consensus is in a WG. It is important that all WG attendees fully understand the model they are working in
Olivier Crépin-Leblond
01:16:41
the problem comes when the Chair is not neutral
Hadia Elminiawi
01:17:09
<Comment>The chair should be able to tackle issues stated by Joanna <Comment>
sergio salinas porto
01:17:14
Are there possibilities to enable the document to be able to translate it into Spanish? Google docs tells me that I do not have sufficient permissions to copy the document
Dave Kissoondoyal
01:17:18
Thanks @David for the link.. very helpful
David Mackey
01:17:45
@CLO I don’t have a problem with GNSO taking one approach and At-Large taking a different approach. We are representing very different interests.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:18:11
@OCL remember these days (and yes only recently) WG Chairs are required to SHOW and be accountable for how the operate in a fair and balanced way
Olivier Crépin-Leblond
01:19:24
@CLO - I think that is actually a very welcome feature indeed.
Dave Kissoondoyal
01:19:36
+1 JZ
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:19:36
@JZ we need to practice that skill of "representation" and making effective voice in a WG
David Mackey
01:20:02
@Jonathan At-Large community identity/interest is definitely different from individual identity/interest
David Mackey
01:20:21
@CLO +1
Alberto Soto
01:27:52
Sorry, I'll only be present for five more minutes
Melissa Allgood
01:28:16
No worries - thank you Alberto
Alberto Soto
01:35:44
Thanks Melissa! I must go, unfortunately because it is very interesting. Bye bye !!
Claudia Ruiz
01:36:03
Sergio dropped, just rejoined
sergio salinas porto
01:36:11
volvi!
sergio salinas porto
01:36:35
Come back, i'm already inside
Dave Kissoondoyal
01:48:58
I am back from the breakout room.. @CLO is our presenter
Roberto Gaetano
01:49:00
I am the presenter for my team
Jonathan Zuck
01:49:06
I guess it's me
Joanna Kulesza
01:49:10
It is Joanna reporting for the Joanna moderated group.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:50:37
We did 2
Hadia Elminiawi
01:51:01
We went for scenario 3
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:52:09
between us all we may have covered all three
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:53:57
Thank you Lavish... well done!
David Mackey
01:54:10
Thank you Lavish
Dave Kissoondoyal
01:54:32
Thank-you Lavish for reporting
Lavish Mawuena Mensah
01:54:49
Thank you guys... We did it...
Lavish Mawuena Mensah
01:55:12
Thanks to Cheryl... great lead👌👌👌
Dave Kissoondoyal
01:55:39
+1 @Lavish thanks @CLO
John More
01:55:47
Well summed up.
David Mackey
01:57:29
+1 JZ - learning about others in our community is important
Dave Kissoondoyal
01:58:16
@JZ the breakout time was not enough .. perhaps for next sessions we can consider more breakout time
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:02:18
need to do MORE of these though
Hadia Elminiawi
02:02:30
+1 Cheryl
Aïcha Abbad
02:02:45
écouter l'autre et accepter son point de vue est prioritaire. L'écoute et l'acceptation de l'autre , si diffèrent de nous, permet d'établir des ponts et a partir de là construire un compromis ensemble
Lavish Mawuena Mensah
02:02:49
+1 Cheryl
Dave Kissoondoyal
02:03:26
The breakout rooms are very productive
David Mackey
02:03:38
+1 Aicha
Jonathan Zuck
02:04:36
c’est un point très important, Aicha!
Aïcha Abbad
02:05:42
svp, quelqu'un peut traduire ma position. merci
Jonathan Zuck
02:07:01
Aicha, here it is, from Bing:listening to the other person and accepting their point of view is a priority. Listening and accepting the other, if they differ from us, allows us to build bridges and from there build a compromise together
David Mackey
02:07:47
Ty JZ, I’m not a Fr/En translator lol
Aïcha Abbad
02:07:51
Thanks Jonathan pour la traduction
Jonathan Zuck
02:08:10
de rien
David Mackey
02:09:13
Thank you Hadia and Roberto - well said
Hadia Elminiawi
02:09:33
Thank you David for your ideas
Aïcha Abbad
02:09:48
Merci chers Hadia et Roberto
Jonathan Zuck
02:10:09
We need a jamboard webinar, I think
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:10:21
We need the community to practice with Jamboard please add this to the CB repertoire
Jonathan Zuck
02:12:20
this is why we NEED better asynchronous tools!
Hadia Elminiawi
02:12:26
Merci a vous Aicha
Aïcha Abbad
02:12:33
Merci bcp Melissa pour votre efficacité . Vous portez bien votre Nom All Good "tout est bien"
Siranush Vardanyan
02:12:36
Thanks all
David Mackey
02:12:38
Thank you all, good discussion!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:12:38
GREAT session THAKS Melissa!!!
Hadia Elminiawi
02:12:39
Thank you all
Amrita Choudhury
02:12:40
Thanks a lot Melissa for this session.
Sarah Kiden
02:12:40
Thank you
Alfredo Lopez hernandez
02:12:49
Gracias
Dave Kissoondoyal
02:12:51
Thanks and looking forward for the next webinar
Roberto Gaetano
02:12:51
Thanks all - Bye
Hadia Elminiawi
02:12:54
Thank you Melisssa