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Joint meeting: ccNSO & GNSO Councils - Shared screen with speaker view
Osvaldo Novoa
22:54
Hello all!
Philippe Fouquart
22:57
Did I have the audio?
Katrina Sataki
23:02
Yes, you did!
Caitlin Tubergen
23:04
Hello and welcome to the Joint Meeting of the ccNSO and GNSO Councils. My name is Caitlin Tubergen, and I will be monitoring this chat room. If you would like me to read a question aloud during this session, please start with <QUESTION> and end with <QUESTION>. Text outside of these quotes will be considered as part of “chat” and will not be read out loud. Please note that chat sessions are being archived and follow the ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2016-06-28-en.
Javier Rúa-Jovet
23:12
Hello 2 @All
Demi Getschko
23:15
Hi all!
Philippe Fouquart
23:17
:) THanks Katrina!
Jeff Neuman (GNSO Liaison to GAC)
28:34
Can you repeat the name of the proposed ccNSO Liaison to the GNSO IDN ePDP?
Bart Boswinkel
28:48
Alireza Saleh
Jeff Neuman (GNSO Liaison to GAC)
28:55
Thanks Bart!
Jeff Neuman (GNSO Liaison to GAC)
29:01
Congrats Alireza
Bart Boswinkel
29:02
Still to be appointed by the ccNSO Council
Javier Rúa-Jovet
29:05
Thanks!
Bart Boswinkel
30:23
Current Schedule is as Ai-Chun said to have an Intertim report by December this year
Philippe Fouquart
30:41
Thanks Bart
Mark Datysgeld
33:16
If anybody could give me insight into the difference between per-ccTLD vs. per-terriroty, it would be appreciated. Any examples?
Maxim Alzoba
34:11
is it the highest bidder :)?
stephanieeperrin
35:31
Apologies for late arrival!
Maxim Alzoba
35:44
what happens when 2 entities do not agree - is it an abstention vote in that case?
Nathalie Peregrine
35:47
Welcome Stephanie!
Bart Boswinkel
35:57
@ Mark: In addition to what Katrina said, in some Territories there are over 10 IDNccTLDs
Maxim Alzoba
36:11
.UA .GE at least
Mark Datysgeld
36:40
Thank you, I was thinking about examples like the India case and so on.
Bart Boswinkel
38:26
@ Maxim,
Bart Boswinkel
39:10
In principle the first members will hold the vote, up and until in Territory they have reached agreement.
Maxim Alzoba
39:45
@Bart, thanks for the clarification of the principle, it is important.
Tatiana Tropina
40:08
Bart, this is interesting, thanks a lot.
Tatiana Tropina
40:15
(And important of course)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
40:15
Agreed @Jeff, Annebeth was a godsend!
Mark Datysgeld
40:38
@Bart @Maxim, but just for clarity, the IDN could independently join the ccNSO and be their own legal person with a vote?
Tatiana Tropina
41:38
Further to that — can IDN join if there is already a cc from the same territory? And IDN and cc both want to be the vote holder?
Tatiana Tropina
41:50
(Sorry if the question is stupid, am trying to grasp the idea!)
Bart Boswinkel
43:29
@ Mark: the IDNccTLD manager can join independently and participate and vote, except in case both the IDn and ASCII ar remember and vote Council election, Board member nomination, and final vote on policy recommendations
Mark Datysgeld
43:55
@Bart that is very helpful, thank you.
Maxim Alzoba
48:56
or at least to try to limit it to 200 pages :)
Tatiana Tropina
49:04
:)))
Mark Datysgeld
49:33
200 pages? That would traumatize them. 300 is the shortest length possible.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
49:47
:-)
Bart Boswinkel
50:46
@ Tatiana, as soon as the membership definition is adjusted, IDNccTLD Managers can become members, just like the (ASCII) ccTLD Manager
Tatiana Tropina
51:18
@Bart, thank you so much
Maxim Alzoba
53:00
is RDAP in those texts? (WHOIS is going to die soon)
Kurt Pritz
54:44
Hi. Could someone post a link to this presentation or a link to the CENTR response
Jeff Neuman (GNSO Liaison to GAC)
55:53
Off Topic: How on zoom do you get your slides to be your background?
Tatiana Tropina
56:14
Jeff, I have the very same question!
Joke Braeken | ccNSO Secretariat
56:33
https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/360046912351-Sharing-slides-as-a-Virtual-Background
Katrina Sataki
56:35
https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/360046912351-Sharing-slides-as-a-Virtual-Background
Tatiana Tropina
56:44
Wow thanks so much
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
57:02
You should join one of the use of cams and presentation sessions Jonathan Zuke runs for ALAC/At-Large
Kimberly Carlson
57:05
After selecting share, select advanced (then you can share ppt as a virtual background)
Bart Boswinkel
57:12
@Tatiana: with respect to second part of your question. As said to Maxim, the Manger that is member first will intitally hold the vote up and until the parties involved have resolved the issue. One important factor in the internal, local discussion is the role of the Significant Interested Parties ( formerly known as Local Internet Community). The thinking in 2011-2012 when the original proposals were developed, is that the SIP will force the two to sort it out in territory
Maxim Alzoba
57:14
Please share the URL for the presentation
Bart Boswinkel
57:25
SIP includes the governemnt
Tatiana Tropina
58:00
Bart, massive thanks!
Jeff Neuman (GNSO Liaison to GAC)
58:07
Thanks for that link. That's great!
Kimberly Carlson
58:29
I will post the recording as well as slides shortly: https://community.icann.org/x/MAFACQ
Olga Cavalli
58:31
Thanks
Maxim Alzoba
58:50
does illegal include copyright issues?
Maxim Alzoba
58:57
in this context
Juan Manuel Rojas
59:31
This apply only for Europe or is already being applied worldwide?
Tatiana Tropina
59:51
Juan, this hasn’t been applicable yet, it’s a proposal for regulation.
Stephen Deerhake (ccSNO Council)
59:51
This slide as a backdrop is the closest thing to "being in the room" I've seen yet... Very cool...
Tatiana Tropina
01:00:04
But it will certainly have extraterritorial reach
Tatiana Tropina
01:00:09
Outside Europe
Marie Pattullo
01:01:02
@Maim, yes - see Recital 12.
Marie Pattullo
01:01:09
MAxim - sorry.
Marie Pattullo
01:01:24
AAGGHH . Breathe, Maxim. Even.
Maxim Alzoba
01:01:27
@Marie, thanks for the clarification
Maxim Alzoba
01:02:46
Europe never ends :) from the legal perspective ?
demi
01:02:59
quite worrisome proposals...
Maxim Alzoba
01:03:28
even “whois like” will be better than WHOIS
Mark Datysgeld
01:05:46
Accurate
Mark Datysgeld
01:05:53
being the key word huh
Marie Pattullo
01:06:12
(Draft DSA - Recital 12) In order to achieve the objective of ensuring a safe, predictable and trusted online environment, for the purpose of this Regulation the concept of “illegal content” should be defined broadly and also covers information relating to illegal content, products, services and activities. In particular, that concept should be understood to refer to information... that under the applicable law is either itself illegal... or that relates to activities that are illegal, such as ... the non-authorised use of copyright protected material ...”
Katrina Sataki
01:06:26
@Maxim - as you can see, they say “provide efficient access”. They do not refer to any specific technology
Mark Datysgeld
01:06:49
You're a star, Marie.
Maxim Alzoba
01:06:50
then it will still be relevant
Marie Pattullo
01:07:41
Nope. Just spent far too long on the DSA lately ;-)). Joys of Brussels.
Marie Pattullo
01:11:13
Clarification: the tools being developed by the EUIPO (nascent) are different from the draft Toolbox (Commission Recommendation).
Stephen Deerhake (ccSNO Council)
01:12:06
Thank you Peter for that presentation!
byron.holland
01:12:33
Thanks Peter...and I loved the way you floated around the presentation itself!
demi
01:12:51
Thank you, Peter!
Pablo Rodriguez - (.pr)
01:12:53
Byron +1
Tatiana Tropina
01:14:36
That’s great to hear. Thank you. Centralised base sounds good.
Maxim Alzoba
01:15:12
thanks, all!
Flip Petillion
01:15:27
Thx Peter - Very useful
Kimberly Carlson
01:15:40
Again, here is the link to the wiki: https://community.icann.org/x/MAFACQ
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:20:01
@Jordan that is in keeping with ATRT3 Recommendations of course
Jeff Neuman (GNSO Liaison to GAC)
01:22:21
@Stephanie - Does that mean no implementing reviews already done?
Jeff Neuman (GNSO Liaison to GAC)
01:22:53
Or does that mean no new reviews?
Jordan Carter
01:22:56
Have to run to my next meeting, nice to see you!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:24:30
Bye for now then and do all look at the Board Approved ATRT3 Recommendations that are now to be implemented re that Review of Reviews
Kristian Ørmen (one.com)
01:26:02
No new ones :)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:26:12
The Prioritisation of Implementation is also Rec from ATRT3
Jeff Neuman (GNSO Liaison to GAC)
01:26:41
ok. I get the no new reviews. BUt we would have lots of unhappy people if we didn't implement ATRT3, cct-rt, SSRT2
Jeff Neuman (GNSO Liaison to GAC)
01:26:53
Especially since the board approved them
Kurt Pritz
01:26:57
Thinking out loud, I wonder whether we should use a one year hiatus on reviews to revolutionarily reinvent how they are done, so they are not so burdensome.
Tom Dale
01:27:17
@Kurt, a good thought
Carlton Samuels
01:27:19
@Kurt +1
Kristian Ørmen (one.com)
01:27:34
Thank you all, thank you Katrina
Carlton Samuels
01:27:47
There has to be an improvement on how reviews are executed.
Juan Manuel Rojas
01:27:51
Thanks everyone! Bye all!
Tatiana Tropina
01:27:52
Thank you all, thanks Katrina!
Pam Little
01:27:52
Thank you all. Great session.
Mark Datysgeld
01:27:55
thanks all
Carlton Samuels
01:27:58
Thank you all
Nathalie Peregrine
01:27:59
Thank you all!