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2022 GNSO Council Meetings - Shared screen with speaker view
Thomas Rickert
45:20
Hi Nathalie, my headset was not fast enough. I am here
Kurt Pritz
45:42
In California it is just before daybreak. The sliver moon and Venus are beautiful. Going back inside.
Marie Pattullo
45:57
Sorry - had audio issues. I'm here.
Nathalie Peregrine - ICANN Org
47:10
Please review ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior here: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2016-06-28-en.
Nathalie Peregrine - ICANN Org
47:41
Reminder to all to set your chat to EVERYONE , rather than the HOST And PANELIST default option.
Jeffrey Neuman
54:57
Can we get a link to that page
Jeffrey Neuman
55:07
the "implementation page"
Berry Cobb - ICANN Org
55:11
https://www.icann.org/policy/implementation
Mary Wong - ICANN Org
57:09
And as part of ITI (the org's Information Transparency Initiative).
Desiree Miloshevic
57:09
@Berry - Would the IRT implementation status info would also be findable under individual Policies under Project list?
Tomslin Samme-Nlar
57:30
Thanks @Berry
Berry Cobb - ICANN Org
59:33
@Desiree - I'm not sure I understand your question, but yes, each project in the Implementation Phase contains its own specific section. Each thin version contains high-level milestones through the policy process, council and ICANN Board. And includes a link to the Implementation page on icann.org.
Stephanie Perrin
01:02:03
I must say Berry, I really appreciate these navigation aids. Makes tracking these things so much easier. Thanks!
Emily Barabas - ICANN Org
01:02:16
GGP Request: https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2022/draft/draft-subpro-ggp-initiation-request-clean-24aug22-en.pdf
Desiree Miloshevic
01:03:43
@Berry - thanks for further explanation. sorry for not so clearly formulated question. the implementation page seems very clear and like a great add-on
Jeffrey Neuman
01:05:10
Remember SubPro recommended a separate IRT
Jeffrey Neuman
01:05:22
so that is in line with SubPro Recommendations
Jeffrey Neuman
01:08:38
Thank you Council for moving this GGP forward. Looking forward to this being announced and getting kicked off.
Jeff Neuman (GNSO Liaison to GAC / SubPro)
01:11:27
It should be given to the Nominating Committee as well for their selections (Next year of course)
Berry Cobb - ICANN Org
01:14:53
Apologies as I forgot to also mention under agenda item #2. The EPDP-P1 IRT has initiated a public comment on the draft consensus policy. It opened yesterday with a planned close on 31 Oct 2022. https://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/proceeding/registration-data-consensus-policy-for-gtlds-24-08-2022
Paul McGrady
01:21:41
Good outcome! The more speech & views we get into the development of the document the better. I think Stephanie's point about the difference one one hand of changing minds/agendas and on the other hand the undermining a PDP outcome after the fact is an important one.
Paul McGrady
01:22:49
Seb- I'm happy to join that team as well.
Emily Barabas - ICANN Org
01:23:16
Council Commitments: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rmft4PPLzFB0rE9IWEi86eMZYrlgDaXT/edit
Marie Pattullo
01:23:17
happy to help too.
Marika Konings - ICANN Org
01:27:18
FWIW, SSAD Light is now being referred to as Whois Disclosure System
Jeff Neuman (GNSO Liaison to GAC / SubPro)
01:27:39
Which is an odd names because "WHOIS" is no longer the term we use
Tomslin Samme-Nlar
01:28:16
😮
Jeff Neuman (GNSO Liaison to GAC / SubPro)
01:28:46
It should be the "RDDS Disclosure System"
Marika Konings - ICANN Org
01:29:08
and to confirm that ICANN org colleagues shared with the small team their intent to publish the Whois Disclosure System Design Paper in the week of 12 September (with two EPDP Phase 2 small team meetings scheduled on the Saturday of ICANN75)
Justine Chew
01:30:01
ALAC wishes to propose a substitute second topic which would involved an open discussion on GNSO Council's observations on the SubPro ODP process to-date, and any expectations for the SubPro ODA
Tomslin Samme-Nlar
01:30:34
WHOIS? Do we still use the "whois" term?
Jeff Neuman (GNSO Liaison to GAC / SubPro)
01:31:18
I will also have a SubPro update after my monthly call with the ICANN SubPro team later today
Jeff Neuman (GNSO Liaison to GAC / SubPro)
01:31:39
(Sorry, the call is later today, update to follow shortly thereafter)
Stephanie Perrin
01:35:09
I think it is important to remove WHOIS in the title.
Jeff Neuman (GNSO Liaison to GAC / SubPro)
01:38:08
I am good with whatever you all want to do
Jeff Neuman (GNSO Liaison to GAC / SubPro)
01:38:41
I hope we are at least 1 and 1/2 ODPs in :)
Jeff Neuman (GNSO Liaison to GAC / SubPro)
01:39:33
Agree with Kurt. I am happy with Council permission to separately meet with the ALAC, but that is up to the Council to agree to.
Justine Chew
01:39:42
Again, it's not about the subject matter, but more the ODP process as experience through the SubPro ODP
Justine Chew
01:39:55
*experienced
Paul McGrady
01:40:18
I guess I don't see what Jeff would tell ALAC separately from what he tells us, keeping in mind that Justine is always with us and can relay it. Can someone clarify?
Desiree Miloshevic
01:40:45
@Justine - I find your clarification useful. +1 to Kurt about process discussion
Jeff Neuman (GNSO Liaison to GAC / SubPro)
01:41:21
Yes, so its totally up to the Council as to whether I, as the SubPro Liaison, communicate with anyone other than the Council
Jeff Neuman (GNSO Liaison to GAC / SubPro)
01:42:13
And its great that I am a lawyer :)
Paul McGrady
01:42:22
I don't understand Stephanie's concern. Jeff isn't "acting for" anyone but Council in either role.
Kurt Pritz
01:42:59
We have an ALAC liaison also who could coordinate communications between the Council and ALAC.
Jeff Neuman (GNSO Liaison to GAC / SubPro)
01:43:35
And as the SubPro Liaison, if there is ever more information the Council wants to know or anything it wants to convey to the ICANN ODP team, just let me know.
Jeff Neuman (GNSO Liaison to GAC / SubPro)
01:44:32
Why would you not include the last ODP as well
Marika Konings - ICANN Org
01:46:28
Nice linkage with the next item is that there is also an item on the tracker that focuses on how to prepare for a review of the ODP.
Marika Konings - ICANN Org
01:46:45
(not the substance but the concept of doing an ODP)
Justine Chew
01:47:11
:)
Marika Konings - ICANN Org
01:48:26
Survey Preview: https://engage.clicktools.com/v2/3ujm1360xw3f3#page1Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/e4OLD
Paul McGrady
01:48:38
@Staff, I have to step away for a couple of minutes. I will note when I return.
Nathalie Peregrine - ICANN Org
01:49:04
Thanks Paul!
Justine Chew
01:49:23
@Jeff, true, perhaps even a comparison of the SSAD ODP and SubPro ODP and any observations thereof
Emily Barabas - ICANN Org
01:49:52
As a reminder, here is Marika's email: https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/council/2022-August/025901.html
Marika Konings - ICANN Org
01:51:06
Note that a 30 minute slot is planned for the GNSO weekend session (on Sunday) to review the survey results and discuss next steps (assuming a go ahead on the survey)
Kurt Pritz
01:51:36
Is there a pdf of the entire survey on one page?
Marika Konings - ICANN Org
01:52:23
@Kurt - no, sorry, it only comes in a preview mode (or at least I have not been able to find how to extract it as a separate document)
Paul McGrady
01:52:36
@Staff - I'm back
Desiree Miloshevic
01:56:13
+1 Philippe No concerns with the survey. However if not all council members had time to review it a one pager form, it is a good suggestion to do that now
Nathalie Peregrine - ICANN Org
01:57:28
Welcome back, Paul!
Marika Konings - ICANN Org
01:58:36
To preview, please see https://engage.clicktools.com/v2/3ujm1360xw3f3#page1 - if you click past the first page (respondent info), the other pages are largely the same as it basically asks about support for each improvement and proposed next steps (with the ability to provide suggestions if there is no support or changes suggested).
Marika Konings - ICANN Org
01:59:13
and as noted, the survey is to collect initial input to help inform further discussions on this.
Mary Wong - ICANN Org
02:01:21
Updated UDRP Policy Status Report (July 2022): https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/udrp-status-report-13jul22-en.pdf
Flip Petillion
02:06:20
Happy to take the mike but here are some of my main comments regarding this item #8:First, I think we could complete this slide 11 with the following: there are a number of other workstreams which are underway, and which require attention in order to land. I hope we have fuel for these workstreams till touch down. Let’s keep in mind that volunteer resources are finite.Therefore, I think resolving the SSAD/WHOIS and implementing the phase 1 RPMs recommendations should be dealt with before embarking on the UDRP review. Maybe I can add the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Implementation (PPSAI) to this.Second, I also think it is very important that any review is evidence-based and gives due deference to those with real-life expertise.
Marie Pattullo
02:09:32
Wouldn't it make more sense to have the providers/experts themselves do that, Mary? So the state of play from (e.g.) WIPO?
Flip Petillion
02:09:38
Thanks Lars
Flip Petillion
02:10:24
And thx Mary
Mary Wong - ICANN Org
02:10:52
@Marie, that's really not for org to say; we're just offering to help facilitate that (and other) convos to the extent they are helpful and we can be of assistance, including pro-actively as appropriate.
Jeff Neuman (GNSO Liaison to GAC / SubPro)
02:12:29
FYI, a great site for data on the UDRP Is UDRP.tools
Mary Wong - ICANN Org
02:12:42
As I mentioned, we have been thinking through our collective experience with Phase 1 where there was extensive work with the URS providers. it may be that the GNSO believes that kind of work is best done during Phase 2, but if starting those conversations before Phase 2 launches is helpful, then org will be happy to help facilitate.
Jeff Neuman (GNSO Liaison to GAC / SubPro)
02:13:11
They have aggregated data by panelist for WIPO, FORUM, Czech Arb., CIIDC
Manju Chen
02:13:18
thanks Lars
Marie Pattullo
02:13:54
Thanks Mary; I can't help but feel (repeat - I know I've said it before ;-) )that asking the actual hands-on-every-day-experts for their assessment /experience first makes sense. Section 13.1 ICANN Bylaws etc.
Julie Hedlund - ICANN Org
02:15:21
@All -- the redlined revised UDPR PSR was provided to the Council on 20 July. Here it is again: https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/udrp-status-report-redlined-13jul22-en.pdf [gnso.icann.org].
Lars Hoffmann - ICANN org
02:15:41
thank yuo, julie!
Mary Wong - ICANN Org
02:17:36
@Marie, thanks for the reference to Section 13.1, which specifies that either the Board or a "constituent body” - including the GNSO - can seek advice from external experts; so whether that is WIPO and the other UDRP providers or other sources external to ICANN, org can facilitate those kinds of discussions (and data gathering, as Flip has just noted).
Paul McGrady
02:17:52
We always complain that the community has too much to do. This may be an opportunity slow this down so that we can get other things, e.g. Next Round, WHOIS Disclosure, etc. out the other side of the pipeline. Agree that we can use the time to collect the data that Staff wants. That would be a good use of the interstitial time.
Paul McGrady
02:18:14
Thanks Lars! Thanks Mary!
Greg DiBiase (Amazon Registrar)
02:18:14
Thanks Lars!
Greg DiBiase (Amazon Registrar)
02:18:19
Thanks Mary!
Mary Wong - ICANN Org
02:18:27
Thank you, Philppe and Councilors!
Lars Hoffmann - ICANN org
02:19:27
just plug: GDS’ policy reserach and stakeholder research team - led by Karen Lentz - will produce a pre-icann75 briefing (based on the good example from the gnso pre-icann meeting briefings). please look out for it in the community digest on 5 september.
Lars Hoffmann - ICANN org
02:21:39
quick plug: GDS’ policy research and stakeholder research team - led by Karen Lentz - will produce a pre-icann75 briefing (based on the good example from the gnso pre-icann meeting briefings). please look out for it in the community digest on 5 september.
Marie Pattullo
02:22:31
Exactly Mary - and as WIPO does the vast majority of UDRP cases, and (I think?) are the only provider that's invested in the policy itself, (and have all the trainings, jurisprudential overview, meetings etc etc), surely it's better to let them give us the facts/data/how it works on the ground rather than trying to answer questions that may be a misinterpretation of how it works? I just really don't see any efficiency in staff doing this, but loads in WIPO doing it.
Mary Wong - ICANN Org
02:24:07
Thanks, Marie! To be clear, org isn't saying we wish to presume or represent the providers, only that we in our role as approving each provider are happy to facilitate any convo the GNSO and Council wishes to have with WIPO and/or the other providers.
Mark Datysgeld
02:25:56
I have a very small AOB
Jeff Neuman (GNSO Liaison to GAC / SubPro)
02:26:35
FYI - whatever the Council decides, which is up to the Council, it just needs to get socialized with the GAC as the role was subject to a joint agreement.
Jeff Neuman (GNSO Liaison to GAC / SubPro)
02:27:32
FWIW, I do support term limits and 4 years or whatever the Council wants to do is a good thing.
Stephanie Perrin
02:28:07
Jeff you raise a good point, discussion with the GAC is essential, we cannot unilaterally do this
Manju Chen
02:28:10
yes thanks
Mark Datysgeld
02:28:37
thank you
Jeff Neuman (GNSO Liaison to GAC / SubPro)
02:29:09
Every year, Council leadership meets with the GAC leadership to discuss the performance of the GNSO Liaison to the GAC. Philippe mentioned that during the last discussion of this issue.
Emily Barabas - ICANN Org
02:30:25
Here is the proposal on Closed Generics GNSO seats: https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/council/2022-August/025864.html
Flip Petillion
02:31:53
Sorry if i missed this but when are the discussions on Closed G start? Will there be a meeting in KL?
Paul McGrady
02:32:36
@Philippe - I am sure it will be fine. It just made me chuckle a bit.
Mary Wong - ICANN Org
02:33:57
@Flip, we had originally factored in the possibility that the dialogue could start at ICANN75, but at this stage that looks unlikely, given that the GNSO needs to appoint its participants and then all the participants need to review the draft Problem Statement and Briefing Paper that staff will circulate (hopefully by end of this month) as well as agree on norms and commitments related to participation in the dialogue.
Flip Petillion
02:34:17
THx Mary
Flip Petillion
02:34:58
Thank you, everyone !
Flip Petillion
02:35:04
in KL !
Paul McGrady
02:35:08
Thanks Philippe and Staff!
Desiree Miloshevic
02:35:11
thank you all
Tomslin Samme-Nlar
02:35:19
bye all