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ccTLD News #2 | Thu, 7 October 2021 (6 UTC) - Shared screen with speaker view
Joke Braeken
35:44
Hello everyone, thank you for joining today
Joke Braeken
36:02
Welcome to the second ccTLD News Session, held on Thursday, 7 October 2021. (6-8 UTC).
Joke Braeken
36:11
Please note that this session is being recorded and follows the ICANN Expected Standards of behavior.http://www.icann.org/en/news/in-focus/accountability/expected-standardsPlease make sure your name and affiliation are clearly visible in the Zoom room.
Joke Braeken
37:58
There is an opportunity to ask questions and raise comments during the time set by the Chair of this session. A few minutes are set aside to ask questions, after each presentation. Before the break, after the 3 presenters have spoken, there is an opportunity for a conversation between the audience and the speakers. This conversation will be moderated by Session Chair Annaliese Williams.
pierre.bonis
38:23
Hi everyone. Welcome to this new IGLC open meeting ! A huge thanks to our great meeting team, to all our pannelists, and to you for taking the time to participate. And a special thanks to Annaliese !
Joke Braeken
39:15
https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/michael.musya/viz/africa_cctdl_domains/Sheet1
pierre.bonis
43:22
Mary, Strange map shared, where, exception made from .za, only the "freenom" cctlds are showed…
pierre.bonis
53:05
OK, very clear Mary. So maybe the weak part of the chain is the lack od lacal registrars putting local ccTLDs on the front line no?
Leonid Todorov
53:39
I wonder if there are data on how many ccTLDs in Africa are "closed" (open for local residents only) and how many are open (for international customers) and whether it affects cctlds uptake.
Calvin Browne
54:43
@leonid - it definitely affects uptake. We can't take to market, ccTLD's that don't allow us to.
pierre.bonis
56:42
Hi Leonid, Hi Calvin. Not sure a ccTLD restincting registration to registrants of the country should be qualified as a "closed one".
Joke Braeken
57:53
If there are further questions for Mary, there will be an opportunity later on
Leonid Todorov
58:34
@Calvin, thank you. And @Pierre, this is just to use this term in this very context, but yes, you are right the term is not particularly suited to the phenomenon
Jordan Carter (.nz)
59:15
https://www.accessnow.org/who-is-shutting-down-the-internet-in-2021/#facts-figures
Bart Boswinkel
59:23
@Mary: I believe I heard you say that (lack of) trust in the ccTLD is underlying issue is marketing the ccTLD you were talking about. What do see is happening to build trust in the ccTLD?
Calvin Browne
01:00:12
Pierre, yeah, he did mention 'open for locals only' definitely does affect uptake - particularly prevents non-local companies who would like to market to 'locals' in a brand they trust.
Angela Matlapeng -bw
01:01:10
@Leonid, it really does affect uptake as Calvin says, but for those that are open comes the challenge of data sovereignty and protection, in our case as .bw we have to redact info to be compliant with the GDPR for our EU clients and we have had some local registrants choose an international Registrar over a local one because they want their info hidden on the WHOIS since the Data Protection Act here has not commenced yet.
Leonid Todorov
01:02:31
@Angela, this is an interesting perspective worth research: compliance costs of staying "local" vis-à-vis compliance costs of getting "international"
Calvin Browne
01:03:31
It's also a self fulfulling thing - if international brands are not in the local ccTLD (because they're not local and rules exclude them) then the local ccTLD has less marketing force and is thus less trusted. Rinse, repeat ;(
Bruce Tonkin
01:04:48
Our way of addressing that issue Calvin is to allow overseas companies that have an Australian trademark to register names in .au as they have an "Australian presence".
Calvin Browne
01:05:53
Bruce - yeah - a sensible compromise.
Bruce Tonkin
01:08:39
I also find the regular CENTR updates very helpful in terms of seeing what is going on in Europe.
Bruce Tonkin
01:10:09
Lots of new issues emerging, and unfortunately the existing issues are not being solved.
pierre.bonis
01:11:53
Thank you Jordan for this presentation. I just wanted to ask you what you mean by the lack of social licence. (really, it's because I Don't understand the concept in English).
Jordan Carter (.nz)
01:12:47
Ahh good question Pierre! It’s a phrase referring to public tolerance for the way things are done
Jordan Carter (.nz)
01:13:20
If the public loses confidence in the way we do Internet governance, another way to say it is that the social license has eroded. Sorry to have used that jargon!
pierre.bonis
01:14:54
OK Jordan. Totally agree. Not specific to IG, but we see the same thing in France. On all subjects, the tolerance is decreasing, eagerness is rising, specifically on the so called domain name abuse for instance
Calvin Browne
01:24:44
Peter - Thanks - as usual a pretty good summary of things in that realm.
Jordan Carter (.nz)
01:28:33
Part of the challenge for us is that showing up is one of the best ways to get voice, and to shape th discussions. Yet there are so many places to show up, these days! And governments often want to shape their presence internationally to ‘decision making forums’, which often IG forums try not to be
pierre.bonis
01:32:33
For the same of time, I will refrain to take ask a question to you Peter, thank you for this very intersting presentation. a very fruitfull discussion ahead on that question. How can we be perveived as diverse because we are all from diffrent countries if our links with our own governement is not strong enough for them to defend this approach on a more multilateral approach?
Mary Uduma
01:33:52
Please check out stats.aftld.org for the full moving graph that will show other countries on Africa ccTLD Domain Registration.
pierre.bonis
01:34:43
Thank you Mary !
Joke Braeken
01:44:50
Thank you for joining part 2 of today’s ccTLD News Session on Internet Governance Hot topics from a regional perspective.
Leonid Todorov
01:44:59
@Oscar, a great notion
Joke Braeken
01:45:02
Currently speaking: Oscar Robles
Yuliya Kharsane
01:50:11
Thank you all! Unfortunately I need to leave now. Have a nice day/ evening :)
Katrina Sataki
01:50:45
Sorry, I have to leave the 2nd part too. I just wanted to say that this was probably the most interesting session on IG I have ever attended: presentations, discussions among speakers and in the chat. Thanks a lot to the organisers and everyone who participated and shared their insights! Have a great rest of the day!
pierre.bonis
01:56:04
Thank you Katrina ! Have a great day
pierre.bonis
01:56:31
Thank you very much Oscar ! very interesting presentation !
Alyssa Quinn (.ca)
01:56:31
+1 to that, Katrina.
Joke Braeken
01:59:38
If you would like to ask your question or make your comment, please raise your hand. Go to ‘Reactions’ in Zoom. When called upon, kindly unmute your microphone and take the floor.
Leonid Todorov
02:00:16
Thank you, Oscar:)
Bruce Tonkin
02:01:12
Very good idea Annaliese - would be very interesting to hear from the GAC what we could do to help education and inform on Internet issues.
pierre.bonis
02:01:51
Sorry Joke. This is just to continue the discussion while not delaying too much the flow of the meeting...
Joke Braeken
02:03:10
Sure Pierre! Just reminding people of the option, not to be hesitant to speak up. The conversation is very good, both in chat and on microphone.
pierre.bonis
02:07:44
LOL ! in some countries, looking at the level of expected votes for the far right, an election that could confirm the current balance of powers would not be seen as useless...
Leonid Todorov
02:15:05
Blessed is the nation for which illegal streaming of ice hockey is the biggest issue and the pretext for IP blocking:)))
Alan Cameron
02:16:09
👏
Adriana Lazzaroni (.it)
02:16:35
Thank you Alyssa, a very interesting presentation also on the side of national legislative and regulatory aspects related to IG matters
Joke Braeken
02:19:01
Not related, but for your information, here are some ICANN72 links to bookmark now:• ccNSO Schedule Hubhttps://community.icann.org/x/BQAuCg• ccTLD News & ccNSO Members Meetinghttps://community.icann.org/x/hAEuCg• Tech Dayhttps://community.icann.org/x/zgJyCg
Vadim Mikhaylov (.RU)
02:21:52
How do you block steaming videos in technical aspect? Do you use human resource to identify abusive streams or a AI-based algorithms? Does it work for all variety of streaming platforms? And what the false positive/negative rates?
Peter Koch
02:23:30
so-called “DNS blocking” is increasingly popular in the EU, as well; of course, only as “last resort”, but helpfully also to support IP interests;
Vadim Mikhaylov (.RU)
02:26:14
Thank you
pierre.bonis
02:28:17
I may be cynical, but I prefer DNS blocking to doain name blocking, or even worese, deletion. In the first case, the rollback is easy. UN the second case, this can be expropriation
pierre.bonis
02:30:30
I just wanted to thank you all for this excellent debate ! Kudos to IGLC members for organizing it, and to Joke and Bart for helping us to do so ! I have to leave at 9 sharp ( a negocation on dns abuse at the national level ;-)
Alyssa Quinn (.ca)
02:32:17
:)
Peter Koch
02:32:36
@pierre, might agree with blocking vs deletion from the ccTLD perspective, but it provides “examples for success” that will not help maintaining a stable identifier system