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051040040 New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group call - Shared screen with speaker view
Andrea Glandon
29:59
Please review ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior here: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2016-06-28-en.
Steve Chan
31:26
Here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vBckhFQCCQ-zyvfGGcDB3NWQhodVsffdqbyb6kTwXL4/edit#
Paul McGrady
34:06
Support this change. It addresses the "making policy concerns"
Justine Chew
37:40
Apologies for arriving late
Donna Austin, Neustar
40:02
And isn't part of the reason for that so that the Council can consider whether the suggestions of the SPIRT had policy implications.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
41:17
That is my understanding @Donna
Paul McGrady
41:48
+1 Donna. Without GNSO oversight, the SPIRT doesn't work.
christopher wilkinson
43:45
But GNSO was responsible for the 2007 texts and for the flawed vertical integration decisions in 2010…
Kathy Kleiman
46:40
hand up
christopher wilkinson
48:13
@Steve please fix the fonts on screen to be legible
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
48:34
It should have been linked not sure why it separated @Kathy, good catch
Steve Chan
51:14
@Christopher, if you’re referring to the colors, that’s controlled by Google as far as I know
Paul McGrady
54:20
But only if the Council knows about it...
Paul McGrady
55:15
Could we say "ICANN org must inform the GNSO Council and the SPIRT of issues arising in this category and the SPIRT will have the option to collaborate with ICANN org as a solution..."
Paul McGrady
57:07
But the change log is after implementation...
Anne Aikman-Scalese
57:56
+1 to Paul's change. But we may need to may need to modify some language on page 3 of the main Predictability Index text if we go this direction. This is because - On page three of the main Predictability Framework text, we say the following, which conflicts with the language of B currently under discussion. "The Framework seeks to allow ICANN Org to make changes to its internal processes that DO NOT HAVE A MATERIAL IMPACT (emphasis mine) on applicants or other community members, change applications, or impact any of the processes and procedures set forth in the Applicant Guidebook."
Paul McGrady
58:29
The change log does not inform the Council of what is happening, it informs the Council of what has already happened.
Paul McGrady
58:45
@Jeff - that is fine.
Paul McGrady
59:00
Just so long as the Council knows beforehand what is happening
Anne Aikman-Scalese
59:14
I am okay with having SPRIT inform Council
Paul McGrady
01:00:01
Yes
christopher wilkinson
01:09:30
@Steve, NO , all text on screen
Steve Chan
01:09:53
Couple hands up Jeff
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:11:51
OK good catch
Paul McGrady
01:11:59
Good question Kathy!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:13:55
makes sense
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:14:12
BG noise
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:15:14
We do provide links to the GDocs so one can follow along in larger format
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:16:03
All of this can only be a'best effort'Christopher the processes may still need course correction if holes appear later
Julie Hedlund
01:16:23
Here’s the doc link again: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vBckhFQCCQ-zyvfGGcDB3NWQhodVsffdqbyb6kTwXL4/edit#
Robin Gross
01:16:59
time is up, Christopher. please don’t monopolize the meeting time
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:17:00
our job is to propose improvements on what happened before and minimise risks while increasing predictability
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:17:36
for Applicants and others
Susan.Payne
01:17:48
Christopher, you seem to think that contracted parties and GNSO are one and the same. In fact there are a range of perspectives in the GNSO. It would be a very rare topic on which everyone in the GNSO wholeheartedly agreed in the manner you seem to envisage
Annebeth Lange
01:18:33
@Cheryl, +1
Robin Gross
01:19:34
+1, Susan. I don’t think this diatribe against the GNSO is relevant to our work. This is a GNSO PDP - period.
Martin Sutton
01:20:05
Disagree with CW. The PDP has worked hard to make it inclusive. Whether people want to participate is another matter.
Paul McGrady
01:20:16
+1 CLO!!!
Annebeth Lange
01:22:24
I disagree with CW, as well. This is the system in ICANN, and this round has really worked hard to get all the AC/SOs aboard. For those of us that were part of the last process, this is a huge improvement
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:25:01
great improvements
Steve Chan
01:25:23
Hand up :)
Paul McGrady
01:25:42
My favorite bullet point "For avoidance of doubt, the SPIRT cannot refer an issue to itself."
Kathy Kleiman
01:27:15
For D and E shouldn't we include a note that GNSO Council oversees?
Justine Chew
01:27:30
Thanks @Steve, I was getting a little thrown off between annex and non-annex
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:28:20
is that a new hand @Kathy?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:28:37
Thx
Kathy Kleiman
01:28:40
nope
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:28:46
:-)
Paul McGrady
01:30:17
@Jeff - super dumb question - is there a limit to the size of the SPIRT? Sorry to ask when the answer is probably well settled.
Phil Buckingham
01:30:54
good idea , Donna
Donna Austin, Neustar
01:31:28
Correct.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:35:00
customised text
Kathy Kleiman
01:36:26
statement of participation is a difference concept...
Kathy Kleiman
01:36:29
different
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:36:31
declared and public management of any perceived or actual conflicts is important in this
Paul McGrady
01:38:05
Thanks Jeff.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:38:06
it would be specified in both criteria and Charter specifics would it not?
Paul McGrady
01:38:48
@CLO - thanks. That makes sense.
Steve Chan
01:39:11
Hand up
Kathy Kleiman
01:39:16
hand up
Steve Chan
01:39:33
Well, Kathy has one, but I would also like to make a comment
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:40:17
Continuous disclosure is essential
Kathy Kleiman
01:40:58
+1 Cheryl
Kathy Kleiman
01:42:03
I think you should disclose again. People forget after 5 years.
Kathy Kleiman
01:42:39
It should be an issue by issue for SPIRIT
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:43:28
Annual SOI Updates does not negate the expectations of Continuous Disclosure AT the time, and operating in an abundance of caution
Steve Chan
01:43:46
Jeff, I had a comment on the term limits
Kathy Kleiman
01:44:20
Even better said - tx Cheryl. <<Annual SOI Updates does not negate the expectations of Continuous Disclosure AT the time, and operating in an abundance of caution.>>
Kathy Kleiman
01:45:08
that's interesting, Paul.
Paul McGrady
01:46:19
Good point Jeff on the non-binding issue. Thanks!
Kathy Kleiman
01:46:25
new hand
christopher wilkinson
01:47:06
Participants with a COI should not be appointed to the SPIRT in the first places. Independence and Neutrality OK.
Justine Chew
01:47:34
I think Kathy's point makes sense
Steve Chan
01:47:36
Jeff, I still have a hand as well
Kathy Kleiman
01:48:08
@Steve - it doesn't
Justine Chew
01:48:42
@Steve, but updates to SOI doesn't flag an interest
Kathy Kleiman
01:49:12
+1 Justine.
Justine Chew
01:49:20
Yup @Steve that's also what I wanted to raise
Kathy Kleiman
01:49:23
@Steve: the opening call could be changed.
Kathy Kleiman
01:49:25
new hand
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:50:07
So stay silent in length of term"? As after all such Terms MAY be set in a CHarter
Phil Buckingham
01:50:23
shouldn’t the length of term be tied into a round (s)
Paul McGrady
01:52:09
This was why I was asking about the size of the SPIRT. If it is open to all and could be 500 people, what do term limits matter?
Paul McGrady
01:53:16
I think we need to pick what we want (open or closed) or at least express a preference. But definitely not get into the argument about how many seats each group gets.
Justine Chew
01:54:56
What Cheryl says works for me.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:55:14
this is starting to have Gordian knot design otherwise
Kathy Kleiman
01:56:01
We need clearer language re: ongoing disclosure - to reflect today's discussion.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:56:59
Lots of progress today Team THANK YOU all!!!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:57:08
Noted @Kathy
Paul McGrady
01:57:21
Congrats to Jeff, CLO, and Staff. This SPIRT thing is in much better shape now than when we first saw it.
Julie Hedlund
01:57:29
Next meeting is Tuesday, 14 July at 0300 UTC
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:57:33
a mini package :-)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:57:46
Thanks @Paul
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:58:19
Bye for now!!!
Annebeth Lange
01:58:41
Interesting discussion :-) Bye all