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GNSO Council Meeting
Marie Pattullo - ok
49:53
Daft q: no hand up option?
Maxim Alzoba - ok
50:38
Participant icon-> raise hand
James Gannon - ok
50:50
Not sure the webinar format has it
Becky Burr
51:06
Hello all.
Osvaldo Novoa - ok
51:17
I have a box that says Raise Hand
Tatiana Tropina - ok
51:32
I see raise hand button at the bottom of participants list, Marie
Steve Chan
51:53
Hello, my name is Steve Chan and I will be monitoring this chat room. In this role, I am the voice for the remote participants. When submitting a question or comment that you want the session leaders to address or for me to read out loud on the mic, please start with a <QUESTION> and end with a </QUESTION> (or <COMMENT> </COMMENT>). Questions and comments must be submitted in the Q&A pod to be considered. Text entered in the Chat pod will be considered as part of “chat” and will not be read out loud on the microphone.We will have an open mic at the end of the meeting where non-Council participants can raise their hand to be added to the queue to be able to speak. Once you are called upon, you will be permitted to unmute your microphone and you will be able to ask your question or make your comment.Please note that chat sessions are being archived and follow the ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior: http://www.icann.org/en/news/in-focus/accountability/expected-standards
Marie Pattullo - ok
51:55
Ah! Was in "attendees" tab. Sorry. Not enough coffee yet.
Philippe Fouquart - ok
52:01
Same for the "hand", here. (but we can't post Questions)
Philippe Fouquart - ok
52:15
(I think)
Carlton Samuels
52:23
I am here
Michele Neylon (Blacknight) - ok
52:36
Panelists can reply to Q + A
Marie Pattullo - ok
52:40
Click the panellists tab at the top. Philippe.
Michele Neylon (Blacknight) - ok
52:40
but we can’t ask questions
Philippe Fouquart - ok
52:47
reply but not post, can we?
Michele Neylon (Blacknight) - ok
52:51
Yes
Michele Neylon (Blacknight) - ok
52:57
we’re in webinar mode
Philippe Fouquart - ok
53:07
thanks
Nathalie Peregrine
54:22
@carlton presence noted, thank you!
Carlton Samuels
54:45
@Nathalie, much obliged
James Gannon - ok
58:00
@staff Proxy incoming for Farrell we also cannot contact him, I will take his proxy, Stephanie filing it now.
Nathalie Peregrine
01:00:17
Noted, @james. This will only count if we receive it ahead of the vote start.
James Gannon - ok
01:00:37
Yup rushing it in now =)
Jeffrey Neuman
01:00:53
The GAC keeps bringing up its disappointment that SubPro referred DNS Abuse to the Council. Likely to be in Communique. Would love to hear Council's thoughts on this.
Keith Drazek (Verisign) ok
01:01:36
Welcome Goran and all!
Pam Little, RrSG - ok
01:02:36
Not yet
Pam Little, RrSG - ok
01:03:17
Here is the Resolved clause:
Keith Drazek (Verisign) ok
01:03:19
I will hand it to you Pam after the vote. My mistake.
Nathalie Peregrine
01:04:28
Proxy form just came in now.
Keith Drazek (Verisign) ok
01:04:58
Thanks Nathalie
James Gannon - ok
01:05:00
Ah well =) An attempt was made.
Nathalie Peregrine
01:05:12
Sorry James!
Nathalie Peregrine
01:10:12
Reminder to all to please type your questions in the Q&A box to the left of this chat.
Berry Cobb
01:16:42
You can find the full Project Package of the EPDP-P2 that accompanied the PCR which provides details of the project status/health, accomplishments and project plan. This is produced monthly. https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/council/2020-June/023745.html
James Gannon - ok
01:32:45
My concerns match with Tatiana
Pam Little, RrSG - ok
01:32:50
Resolved:The GNSO Council hereby requests the preparation of a Preliminary Issue Report, for delivery as expeditiously as possible, on the issues identified in the Transfer Policy Initial Scoping Paper, to assist in determining whether a PDP or series of PDPs should be initiated regarding changes to the Transfer Policy.Resolved:The GNSO Council hereby requests the preparation of a Preliminary Issue Report, for delivery as expeditiously as possible, on the issues identified in the Transfer Policy Initial Scoping Paper, to assist in determining whether a PDP or series of PDPs should be initiated regarding changes to the Transfer Policy.+1 Tatiana - The Council should communicate clearly to the EPDP Team that this extension is solely for the delivery of the SSAD Final Report.
Tatiana Tropina - ok
01:33:36
Thanks Keith so let’s communicate this *clearly*
James Gannon - ok
01:33:49
Yes I think that clarification and clear instruction from Council is needed along with the approval notification
Juan Manuel Rojas - ok
01:34:48
+1 Tatiana
Nathalie Peregrine
01:35:11
@david - yes of course, but please post the All Panelists And attendees.
Nathalie Peregrine
01:35:31
If it is a question though, please use the Q&A box.
David Cake
01:36:58
would like to remind councillors of the vast scope of work of that PDP and the huge complexity of the issues, which certainly contributed to its failure to make headway. The EPDP can not be expected to finally resolve some of those issues, within the same process intended to work quickly and expediently on specifics. Other parts of the community may have issues they are focused on, but the Council has the special role of managing process, and please help keep this under tight control and actively manage it. Thanks.
Maxim Alzoba - ok
01:37:35
new hand
David Cake
01:37:53
*sorry, missed the start of that - as a past vice-chair of the RDS PDP, I would like to remind councillors..
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:38:41
From the ALAC Reps on EPDP and At-Large's Consolidated Policy WG perspective the WHEN and the HOW of the path forward for the Priority 2 Issues is of critical concern
Marie Pattullo - ok
01:39:28
Agree, Cheryl.
Marika Konings
01:39:46
FWIW, at the moment it does look like the majority of the so called priority 2 items will be addressed in the priority 1 Final Report (without requiring further deliberation) but there are a couple of issues such as legal/natural (awaiting study results) and feasibility, for which time may be needed to understand whether or not consensus recommendations are possible.
James Gannon - ok
01:40:15
And we have a proposal on thje table of council to consider for those items
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:40:28
A tight time frame on response for the framework would certainly be appreciated @Keith (again on behalf of the ALAC
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:41:07
And Yes I have been specifically briefed on this matter for this meeting
James Gannon - ok
01:42:23
Persoanlly I am also sitting with Option 2 at the moment also
James Gannon - ok
01:45:49
I trust Rafik to manage with an Iron hand
Katambi Joan
01:46:58
Well done Rafik, trusting your support always.
Marie Pattullo - ok
01:49:26
Process: we have a responsibility to manage (see op procedures). We need to get this right.
Marie Pattullo - ok
01:49:58
Happy to volunteer for the small team, Keith.
Philippe Fouquart - ok
01:52:29
happy to be counted in too.
Sebastien Ducos -ok
01:52:50
I am in too (small team)
Nathalie Peregrine
01:54:28
@Marie, @Philippe, @Sebastien, staff has noted this, thank you all.
John McElwaine
01:54:41
I will volunteer for the small team
Nathalie Peregrine
01:54:50
@John, also noted, thank you.
Greg DiBiase - ok
01:58:11
I also volunteer for the small team
Nathalie Peregrine
01:58:27
@greg, noted, thanks!
Anne Aikman-Scalese
02:02:04
Fundamental ByLaws amendments are required to address the final nature of grants made - so that Request for Reconsideration and IRp cannot be used to challenge grants.
Ariel Liang
02:02:40
It is a Council small team to develop a consolidated approach to address the remaining EPDP Priority 2 topics
Ariel Liang
02:05:13
No problem
Nathalie Peregrine
02:08:38
Webinar is on Tuesday 7 July 2020 at 12:00 UTC, please email gnso-secs@icann.org to RSVP
Keith Drazek (Verisign) ok
02:08:46
Hear hear
Tom Dale - ok
02:09:08
Yes, well done.
Emily Barabas
02:09:47
Additional information about the webinar here: https://community.icann.org/display/CWGONGAP/2020-07-07+-+Webinar+-+CCWG+new+gTLD+Auction+Proceeds+Final+Report
stephanieeperrin
02:10:39
Excellent question Michele
James Gannon - ok
02:11:07
Fiduciary responsibility will always kick in as a potential.
Keith Drazek (Verisign) ok
02:11:19
Right
Anne Aikman-Scalese
02:11:22
When CCWG participants who polled were counted, the number voting for mechanisms other than A was 10 as opposed to 8 for Mechanism A. In other words, the fact that there were 2 other mechanisms (B & C) resulted in a "split" of votes as between the two more independent mechanisms. This resulted in the CSG Minority Statement questioning the stated "preference" for A.
Maxim Alzoba - ok
02:11:36
fiduciary duty might require the Board to use money despite of text in such documents
stephanieeperrin
02:12:42
True Keith and James. But there are ways to firewall, and we need to find them
Xavier Calvez
02:13:27
The amount of Auction Proceeds transferred into the ICANN Reserve Fund as a result of the Board-adopted strategy of replenishment was $36 million.
Anne Aikman-Scalese
02:13:42
ICANN Org took the position that it would allocate proceeds in "tranches" for purposes of grantmaking, not allocate the entire remaining amount. The budget in the tranche for each year would be subject to Empowered Community powers over the Budget. At least that was the discussion in the CCWG.
James Gannon - ok
02:13:49
The community chose not to go ahead with the external model that would have created the easiest firewell but yeah if ther are mechanisms they can be evaluated in implementation
Xavier Calvez
02:14:43
The replenishment strategy also included approximately $32 million of funds to allocate to the Reserve Fund from operational excesses to be generated by ICANN org.
Xavier Calvez
02:14:56
Over an 8-year period.
James Gannon - ok
02:16:37
I am happy to support that small group work on CCWG WS2
Nathalie Peregrine
02:17:01
Thanks James, noted
Juan Manuel Rojas - ok
02:17:46
Nathalie,I'd like to join in me for that small group for WS2
stephanieeperrin
02:17:48
Good idea Tat!
Nathalie Peregrine
02:18:02
@Juan Manuel, noted, thank you
Mary Wong
02:18:32
The Council may wish to connect with the new Planning Function being established under our CFO Xavier Calvez, in relation to implementation planning.
James Gannon - ok
02:19:05
I echo Toms concerns about overlapping work in this area, personally I think that the evolution work needs to be paused pending the existing community driven activities.
Philippe Fouquart - ok
02:19:16
re item 6 noting a) the minority statement (the first part, ie consensus evaluation) and b) obvioulsy a CCWP =/= PDP, I was wondering whether PDP 3.0 improvement #4 (in substance) could have been of "some help." Or whether that wasn't fit for purpose. Just a thought...
Mary Wong
02:20:01
ICANN org is currently developing a more detailed implementation plan as well, in line with the initial implementation assessment. We will obviously provide the Board and community with updates as required by the Board resolution.
Tatiana Tropina - ok
02:20:41
Is it MSSI? I am very sorry if I am confusing who’s responsible for this within ICANN Org, but I think coordination will be crucial :-)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC Liaison to GNSO Council
02:20:45
On the HR issues in the GAC meeting running now the HR WG presented to the GAC a 'tool' for possible SOAC use for self assessment *as they see it*
Mary Wong
02:22:47
@Tatiana, implementation will largely be coordinated by Xavier’s Planning Team though the work will likely be cross-functional in nature for ICANN org, including Policy and MSSI, for instance. It was indeed MSSI that supported the CCWG and WS2 development work.
Tatiana Tropina - ok
02:23:29
Thank you, Mary!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC Liaison to GNSO Council
02:23:36
It sure is @Tom :-)
Tom Dale - ok
02:24:24
@CLO, a top read.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC Liaison to GNSO Council
02:24:31
Very convoluted, but it *really needs sorting*
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC Liaison to GNSO Council
02:24:48
Thank you @Tom, we tried ;-)
Tom Dale - ok
02:25:16
Probably not a best seller on Audible, though.
David Olive - ok
02:26:40
Thanks Keith. My note explains the request.
Mary Wong
02:26:57
@james, it is not the former.
James Gannon - ok
02:27:09
Good thanks Mary!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC Liaison to GNSO Council
02:27:17
I g=had assumed the latter
Susan.Payne
02:27:38
there's no suggestion the IOT would be the panellists. Indeed there are many disqualifying criteria, which many IOT members would be excluded by
James Gannon - ok
02:28:02
Exactly my concern!
James Gannon - ok
02:28:19
Thanks for allaying
David Olive - ok
02:28:19
Thanks James and Susan.
Mary Wong
02:28:26
The Bylaws require ICANN to consult with the SOACs to establish the process for selecting the panel. Final selection will be done by the Board so, as Keith noted, the question is how the community wants to handle the selection process.
James Gannon - ok
02:29:21
I personally am fine with the IOT serving that function
Mary Wong
02:30:00
The public comments received indicated support for a “representative group” of community representatives. This could conceivably include a role for the IRP IOT and it is up to the community to determine the group’s composition as well as how it will work with ICANN Org and the external expert to move forward with selection of a slate of potential panelists.
Maxim Alzoba - ok
02:32:42
looks quite small
Juan Manuel Rojas - ok
02:34:05
Don't readable... its a shame!
Maxim Alzoba - ok
02:34:23
to properly work on this - documents need to be provided at least 2 weeks in advance of the special meeting
Maxim Alzoba - ok
02:34:46
so we could discuss it with SG
Keith Drazek (Verisign) ok
02:35:12
This is just a preview, Maxim. No decisions required.
James Gannon - ok
02:35:42
Slides are not moving
Maxim Alzoba - ok
02:35:43
I meant when we decide to have a meeting , something should be presented as documents in advance
Marie Pattullo - ok
02:37:14
Engineers now happy - slides of blueprints graphics ;-).
Maxim Alzoba - ok
02:37:51
it looks like design of the presentation , do we have to approve it? the data is more important
Steve Chan
02:37:53
And sorry, Berry might want to add a thing or two
Berry Cobb
02:38:19
all good for now. will wait til dedicated.
Maxim Alzoba - ok
02:38:39
to say something about it - it would be nice to have it
Xavier Calvez
02:38:52
It looks quite small because it is quite big. The challenge is how to make it smaller…
Maxim Alzoba - ok
02:39:15
sending it to us , we can use our displays :)
Steve Chan
02:39:30
Sorry for the slide snafu :(
Jeffrey Neuman
02:40:14
And I have a question on this in the Q&A
Pam Little, RrSG - ok
02:40:28
We will be discussing DNS Abuse with the Board later today as well.
Jeffrey Neuman
02:41:00
Thanks Keith - Let Cheryl and I know if you want/need our thoughts.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC Liaison to GNSO Council
02:41:29
because we obviously have a few ;-)
Jeffrey Neuman
02:41:36
I agree....and the reality is that we are already addressing DNS Abuse
Jeffrey Neuman
02:42:17
Lots of sessions, the CPH Framework, the bilateral discussions between CPH and ICANN Org....
Jeffrey Neuman
02:42:35
I would say that that is a good start to addressing....
John Crain
02:42:49
Yes SSR is a part of OCTO
Michele Neylon (Blacknight) - ok
02:44:07
Thanks John
Michele Neylon (Blacknight) - ok
02:44:10
wasn’t 100% sure
Marie Pattullo - ok
02:44:22
Thanks Pam - happy to work with you as ever!
Pam Little, RrSG - ok
02:44:34
Thanks, Marie
Maxim Alzoba - ok
02:44:41
Sebastien asked for 2min
Michele Neylon (Blacknight) - ok
02:44:53
there’s a hand in the chat from a participant as well
Keith Drazek (Verisign) ok
02:47:45
I'm back. VPN dropped briefly
Nathalie Peregrine
02:48:13
@lawrence, you will need to unmute your mic
James Gannon - ok
02:48:20
I thought we were not taking audio interventions
James Gannon - ok
02:48:27
Only using the QA pod
Jeffrey Neuman
02:48:45
@James - why would that be the case?
Nathalie Peregrine
02:48:51
@james, correct during the meeting, but during the open mic, we are accepting audio interventions
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC Liaison to GNSO Council
02:48:57
that is what I thought as well but his hand went upanyway
Steve Chan
02:49:03
@James, we are at the Open Microphone portion of the agenda.
Steve Chan
02:49:12
We always have that for public Council meetings.
Nathalie Peregrine
02:49:31
ALL COUNCILORS, please take a quick 5 min break and then log into the ICANN Board and GNSO Council Zoom room for sound checks.
Jeffrey Neuman
02:49:34
Thanks Keith
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC Liaison to GNSO Council
02:49:40
Nathalie do the attendees know that once you inmute them they often still have to unmute themselves?
James Gannon - ok
02:49:47
I assumed we had restructions due to the zoom audio bombing iussues previously
Pam Little, RrSG - ok
02:49:48
Thank you all.
Priyatosh Jana
02:49:55
Thanks you all
Rafik Dammak ok
02:50:00
thanks all
Philippe Fouquart - ok
02:50:04
Thanks Keith, thanks everyone.
Katambi Joan
02:50:05
Thanks alot Team
James Gannon - ok
02:50:06
thanks all se u in 15mins
Maxim Alzoba - ok
02:50:07
thank you all
Lianna Galstyan
02:50:07
Thank you all
Juan Manuel Rojas - ok
02:50:08
THanks..
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC Liaison to GNSO Council
02:50:08
Bye for now