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051040031: RySG Meetings - Shared screen with speaker view
Sue Schuler (RySG Secretariat)
26:50
Welcome to the meeting of the RA/RAA Amendment Discussion Group. Please announce your name before speaking for purposes of the transcript. Please mute your microphone when not speaking to help maintain sound quality. Thanks
Maxim Alzoba
28:32
I looked through it
Jeffrey Neuman 🥁🥁
28:44
I haven't made my comments yet
Rick Wilhelm (Verisign)
28:57
yes… I was in the doc
Rick Wilhelm (Verisign)
30:45
JC might be in the waiting room...
Maxim Alzoba
31:32
I think we need to show clearly with the example - why 2 is not enough
Maxim Alzoba
31:36
and 5 is better
Maxim Alzoba
35:52
it was about reliability and machine readability
Maxim Alzoba
36:03
not about lame users, who do not care about shifts in tech
Maxim Alzoba
36:47
we are not a circus workers to entertain and provide positive experience
Rick Wilhelm (Verisign)
40:48
+1 Jim
Donna Austin, Neustar
41:11
Julie, can you help me out here please
Donna Austin, Neustar
43:16
punchy in tenor, but not punchy in intent ...
Maxim Alzoba
45:23
+1 Rick
Owen Smigelski (Namecheap)
45:38
Sadly we might need to be blunt as ICANN is missing our subtleties
Rubens Kuhl (NIC.br / Ry)
45:46
ICANN wishes to have the cake and eat it too.
Owen Smigelski (Namecheap)
49:49
But ICANN is standing by the numbers
Maxim Alzoba
50:23
1b is a result of the mess with both reports and open platform :)
Donna Austin, Neustar
50:43
which i think they have acknowedged Maxim
Maxim Alzoba
51:04
then they need to shift to factually based requests :)
Rick Wilhelm (Verisign)
54:07
what doc is being displayed? That’s not the URL that was at the top of the chat
Sue Schuler (RySG Secretariat)
54:24
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nNUtp_n_sSNQMYqCPwgRNG4S-ytn7ZVKBfWt5IX4nLs/edit#gid=1498629528
Rick Wilhelm (Verisign)
54:41
thx
Rick Wilhelm (Verisign)
58:37
yes… “borked”
Maxim Alzoba
58:40
intentionally mess
Maxim Alzoba
59:38
ICANN and their subcontractors
Maxim Alzoba
59:42
including PTI
Maxim Alzoba
59:58
not just IANA
Rubens Kuhl (NIC.br / Ry)
01:00:09
They seemed to welcome DDoS as a possible reason for non-performance.
Maxim Alzoba
01:00:20
for example - their cloud services , load balancers e,t,c
Maxim Alzoba
01:02:00
please use ICANN subcontractors
Maxim Alzoba
01:02:09
and IANA operator
Rick Wilhelm (Verisign)
01:02:34
also agree with Jim
Maxim Alzoba
01:04:14
we should not refer to ICANN departments
Maxim Alzoba
01:04:26
it is ICANN and that is it (Compliance dept)
James Galvin (Afilias)
01:04:53
+_1
Rick Wilhelm (Verisign)
01:04:56
+1
James Galvin (Afilias)
01:06:21
+1 RDAP should be a defined term
Maxim Alzoba
01:07:59
tempspec was cooked without us having any kind of veto
Rick Wilhelm (Verisign)
01:08:40
correct…
Rick Wilhelm (Verisign)
01:08:53
from the temp spec:
Rick Wilhelm (Verisign)
01:08:57
"Registration Data Directory Services" refers to the collective of WHOIS, Web-based WHOIS, and RDAP services.
James Galvin (Afilias)
01:09:47
right. the def worked when doing the temp spec because we were looking for GDPR coverage on all of RDDS.
James Galvin (Afilias)
01:10:08
so the def only applies there. it’s not intended to carry forward.
Maxim Alzoba
01:10:36
we were forced to comply with temp spec
Rubens Kuhl (NIC.br / Ry)
01:10:38
They have to say they aren't doing legal arguments so they don't have to bring in ICANN Legal.
Maxim Alzoba
01:12:52
contract negotiations are legal staff
Maxim Alzoba
01:13:00
for legal staff
Maxim Alzoba
01:13:15
I lost Graeme
Julie Bisland
01:13:18
GReame’s normal audio issue
Owen Smigelski (Namecheap)
01:16:16
I’m asking for port 43 and 80
Maxim Alzoba
01:16:22
the more data we give, the more is going to be used against us
Rick Wilhelm (Verisign)
01:17:29
no… not port 43
Rick Wilhelm (Verisign)
01:17:34
web
Rick Wilhelm (Verisign)
01:17:40
web
Brian King (MarkMonitor)
01:17:42
They could easily stick it in SSAD or just outside the login wall.
Jeffrey Neuman 🥁🥁
01:18:27
This was the almost one win that we had on that call
Maxim Alzoba
01:19:16
I wonder how they are going to automate capchas (few)
Owen Smigelski (Namecheap)
01:19:55
+1 Jody
Maxim Alzoba
01:20:11
a QUESTION
Maxim Alzoba
01:20:25
have they tried 5 themselves in reality?
Rubens Kuhl (NIC.br / Ry)
01:23:00
But I have to drop now regardless.
Rubens Kuhl (NIC.br / Ry)
01:23:03
Bye all!
Brian King (MarkMonitor)
01:23:10
I actually need to drop too. Thanks all
Maxim Alzoba
01:24:01
why should we allow additional RFCs here?
Maxim Alzoba
01:24:37
we will have to join all Franciso’s RFCs attempts to make those good :)
Maxim Alzoba
01:25:13
the bad thing is that ICANN will decide if those new RFCs are relevant
Maxim Alzoba
01:25:28
so we should not blindly add all random RFCs
Donna Austin, Neustar
01:27:14
so a new RFC would not have applicability in this instance, only existing RFCs as identified in the profile?
Maxim Alzoba
01:28:49
it should go through some process, blind acceptance here is not good
Jeffrey Neuman 🥁🥁
01:29:04
contract amendment
Maxim Alzoba
01:30:28
nothing prevent bunch of geeks from creating a weird RFC about our reporting
Maxim Alzoba
01:31:57
RFCs is a backdor
Maxim Alzoba
01:32:05
backdoor mechanism itself
Maxim Alzoba
01:33:02
it could be used
Maxim Alzoba
01:33:33
allowing non relevant RFCs is a bad idea
Jeffrey Neuman 🥁🥁
01:40:26
yes
Catherine Merdinger
01:40:31
Sounds good
Rick Wilhelm (Verisign)
01:40:34
+1
Jeffrey Neuman 🥁🥁
01:40:41
thanks Donna!
Catherine Merdinger
01:40:47
Thanks all!
James Galvin (Afilias)
01:40:52
thanks all
James Galvin (Afilias)
01:40:54
thanks jeff!
Rick Wilhelm (Verisign)
01:40:57
see ya